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Worst Bioware antagonist?

  • Saverok(BG1)

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Jon Irenicus(BGII)

    Votes: 7 4.3%
  • Saren(ME1)

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Darth Malak(KotOR)

    Votes: 9 5.5%
  • Amelyssan(Throne of Baal)

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Maugrim(NWN)

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Heurodis(The other NWN expansion)

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Mephistopheles(Hordes of the Underdark)

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Master Li(Jade Empire)

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Harbinger(ME2, 3)

    Votes: 5 3.0%
  • Sovereign(ME1)

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Archdemon(DA:O)

    Votes: 16 9.8%
  • Corypheus(DAII, DA:I)

    Votes: 24 14.6%
  • Loghain(DA:O)

    Votes: 9 5.5%
  • The Illusive Man(me2,3)

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • The Gigantic Terminator Robot from the end of ME2

    Votes: 29 17.7%
  • Solas(Tresspasser DLC)

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Meredith (DAII)

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • Death's Hand(Jade Empire)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kai Leng

    Votes: 21 12.8%

  • Total voters
    164
  • Poll closed .

Jarmaro

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The Arishok from DAII should be on the list since he was definitely their best written antagonist if not their best antagonist.
Only beceause he had some character and he didn't live long enough to be tiring and repetetive.
If he went through entire DA2 or even DA:I he would be mocked.
 

Alkarl

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"Hi, I'm Corypheus, I want to destroy the world. My hobbies include being a mild nuissance, sucking at life, losing important items, granting the power to destroy me to my enemies, and long, long, looong walks in the fade." Or something, I really don't know, game was boring as fuck.

I'm genuinly surprised there wasn't semi-necessary mission of learning more about the guy. You learn some stuff about his leutanant AFAIK but I don't even remember how you get this info. Him being a magister may be good enough if you played the first game but still a surface level characterization.

At least the final battle was swift.

Oh, he definitely had potential. In Origins, I remember wanting to know more about these God-like mages. Awakening half delivered, I suppose.

Bioware should just switch to making SJW friendly softcore porn with aliens and shit.
 

Jick Magger

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Corypheus is a pretty massive failure as a villain. The game literally begins with his plan for world domination being irreparably fucked up by a combination of you wandering in to his room at the wrong time and him not having a powerful enough grip to stop a restrained old woman from knocking an orb out of his hand. The game basically consists of you shoving him to the floor at the start, then repeatedly kicking him in the teeth every time he tried to get back up. A big issue is that the game has no real 'lowest point' moment in it, where Corypheus in some way gains the advantage or otherwise deals a crippling blow to the Inquisition which leaves the player at their lowest point. The closest the game has to that is his invasion of Haven, but that is both at the start of the game, and ends with you crippling him militarily by burying half his army under an avalanche.

From there, the entire game consists of you steadily and methodically dismantling his plans, operations, spy networks, and armies, while your side steadily grows in organization and strength while he does absolutely nothing about it except skulk about and swap from Plan A to Plan B all the way down to Plan Z. Even the game lampshades that things could have gone horribly wrong for you at any point in the game if Corypheus wasn't a complete moron who refused to change or revise any plan currently in motion even when it was painfully obvious it was gonna blow up in his face. This culminates in the finale of the game, where his plan amounts to just doing what he tried to do at the start of the game, just with all of Thedas aware of his machinations and united in defeating him, while he's been dealt several crippling blows and is now nowhere near as strong.
 

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You make the game sound more fun than I remember.

I don't think that was the problem with Inquisition and Corypheus. Not every game has to be standard 3 act structure hero journey. Corypheus failed to be mysterious and menacing while at the same time not being explored and relatable. Dragon Age Origins has a similar structure with Logain (you stop all his plan bringing him from contested regent to a desperate usurper who has to inforce duel to cling to power) but this villain is explored and relatable and there's greater problem coming. With Corypheus we don't even have a glance at a greater problem till after the credits and Corypheus himself remains closer to Blight in his motivations and characterization.
 
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Drog Black Tooth

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Meredith is a disaster of a character for the opposite reasons as Loghain. For the moral conflict of the entire game to make sense and have purpose, her actions need to be based in logic, even if somewhat warped, but no, she's gone completely insane due to red lyrium and wants to murder the entire circle even when the culprit of blowing up the chantry is an apostate that never was part of Kirkwall's circle. Siding with the templars is a choice for zealots and psychopats, and not the grey dilema that the game has tried to built during its entire run thanks to Meredith's craziness.
Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and DO. NOT. FALTER.
Meredith_Lyrium_Sword.jpg

DEUS VULT bitches fuck yeah.

Shit dude that scene was honestly the best thing about that dumpster fire of a game.
 
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Drog Black Tooth

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Death's Hand from JE was also a p awesome and fucked up character. He normally doesn't talk at all thru out the whole game (just kills stuff with unbelievable prowess) and then before the grand finale you have an option to "trap" him and make him join your party (not unlike Loghain), that's when you get the chance to finally talk to him and he drops such great lines as:

"My will is my master's. I am but a projection, I cannot exist without your evil."

That's when you knew you done fucked up.

Honestly, it was a p cool faux-Asian samurai rip off of Darth Vader, down to the scary black armor that keeps him alive.

latest
 
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I would have gone with Corypheus, but who the fuck am I kidding?

Terminator Reaper Baby, easily the stupidest thing I have seen in a video game since ET.
 

Drakron

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Terminator Reaper Baby, easily the stupidest thing I have seen in a video game since ET.

Well the thing is, he is not a antagonist ... he just the last boss you fight but at no point the Human Reaper was the antagonist, Harbinger was because everything in ME2 from the Collectors side was done by Harbinger and you didnt even get to fight him.
 

Azarkon

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Best = Jon Irenicus - I liked how PC gets chance to learn his personal story, loved dream sequences and voice acting

In Baldur's Gate 2, Irenicus isn't actually present in the player's dreams. That's the Bhaal blood, which takes the form of Irenicus to school you about the nature of power. It's a nice touch, to be honest, and solidifies the fact that the ultimate conflict in the game is between you and your destiny; Irenicus himself is just a mage who wanted to take your divine power for himself.

But then, of course, Beamdog decided to make Irenicus ACTUALLY enter your dreams in their 'expansion'... And in so doing, retcon one of the few excellent sequences of the original game.
 
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Voted Irenicus. The whole premise of Irenicus is kinda stupid. Some whiny elf with issues takes center stage with his revenge tour, and you are some village idiot, chasing after him like he stole something. It' a really bad construct for a game. By comparison, Sarevok is miles ahead, since you actually have to unravel things to get to him, and it's more of your story, even if typical good vs evil.

Loghaine was also annoying, just because he was so telegraphed. It was like if in Game of Thrones, Tywin Lannister would paint emo make-up on his face, and break dance around, singing "oh, im so evil".
 

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