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Albion and Dark Sun questions

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I think you might be the one wrong here; he might be talking about a full version. Gaming magazines all over the globe used to come with old games for free as full versions on CDs and DVDs. Maybe that's how he got it and why he used the word the way he did.

Yes Commissar got his Fallouts this way in pre-internet age... it was not free but 3-4$ payed then for Reset, SS, NGK, etc... or so was 10% of price of Games sold from shop benches. Good for Student then and en pair with pirated versions bought from stadiums.

I'll have to admit that this is news to me.
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Guys shut up about that right use of terms shit, lets talk about Albion instead.

I lost my rpg virginity to that baby, and looking back it was definately not a wrong choice because its a special and beautiful game. Replayed it last year, and let me tell you Porky that there are some real cool puzzles and secrets yet to come.


Also is there anyone else that cant shake the feeling that
James Cameron played this game some time in his life? The resemblances in art/creature design and story development between Albion and Avatar are really uncanny. They even stole the psychic connection to the world and the bodyparts you can exchange thoughts with thingie
 
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So yeah, I'm annoyed at stupid criminals, great and small. At least when I'm talking about the piracy I conducted back in the day, I make sure no one can get into trouble for it.

Boy, I'd hate to see you go off on self-incriminating jaywalkers. :) While downloading no longer sold games from abandonware sites may technically qualify as piracy depending on what definitions you use, taking some food out of your friend's refrigerator without his/her express permission might technically qualify as theft, again depending on your definitions and the context. So in other words, take a deep breath and relax.

Guys shut up about that right use of terms shit, lets talk about Albion instead.

I lost my rpg virginity to that baby, and looking back it was definately not a wrong choice because its a special and beautiful game. Replayed it last year, and let me tell you Porky that there are some real cool puzzles and secrets yet to come.


Also is there anyone else that cant shake the feeling that
James Cameron played this game some time in his life? The resemblances in art/creature design and story development between Albion and Avatar are really uncanny. They even stole the psychic connection to the world and the bodyparts you can exchange thoughts with thingie

Yeah, I am having fun with it so far. Working my way down the lower levels of the Celtic island dungeon. Will write more detailed impressions later.
 

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While downloading no longer sold games from abandonware sites may technically qualify as piracy depending on what definitions you use

It's not a question of technicality or definitions, It is piracy. Period.

Again, the biggest reason I bring this up is because your actions may lead to trouble for this site, which you don't seem to give two shits about.

But I didn't bother with all this to stop you or make you change your ways, but more to educate you. Clearly you're not interested in being told when you've done goofed, so I'm just gonna leave this alone from here on.
 

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I tried this albion4win stuff two or three times in the last few months and always get some weird sound issues (either cut-off sounds or weird annoying noises).

Likewise I can't into dosbox and the Dark Sun thing does not run correctly even with the version that handles the install for you. The amount of time I wasted in my life failing to get old games to run (failed several times trying to get Daggerfall to run as well for example) .. GoG is really a heaven send for people who can't into computers, at this point I am really too annoyed and tired to even try to fix issues anymore, I'd rather go with an effortless uncomplicated GoG install. Unfortunately, games like Albion and Dark Sun are not on GoG .. I guess I just gotta be patient.
 
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I tried this albion4win stuff two or three times in the last few months and always get some weird sound issues (either cut-off sounds or weird annoying noises).

Likewise I can't into dosbox and the Dark Sun thing does not run correctly even with the version that handles the install for you. The amount of time I wasted in my life failing to get old games to run (failed several times trying to get Daggerfall to run as well for example) .. GoG is really a heaven send for people who can't into computers, at this point I am really too annoyed and tired to even try to fix issues anymore, I'd rather go with an effortless uncomplicated GoG install. Unfortunately, games like Albion and Dark Sun are not on GoG .. I guess I just gotta be patient.

Dos-era games were made for people who could usually handle the simple matter of installing a game in the first place. Without the help of the Internet.

Are you sure your mental faculties are up for ingame challenges that Albion and DS have in store for you?
 

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I guess I will find out if I am up to the challenge as soon as I will be able to download and install them from GoG. My experience with other dos era games leads me to believe that I am though.
 

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I never saw you rage like that over on the Underdogs forum Unkillable...

The main problem seems to be that people think I'm raging when I'm not.

I was annoyed at the wrong term being used, plus the general ignorance that seems to go with it.

Normally something as trivial as the wrong term being thrown around is not even worth mentioning, but in this case there is a slight (VERY slight) possibility of this getting ugly. Because not only has a user confessed to a (minor) crime, but he's done the stupid thing of telling everyone what he stole. If the rights holder to the Blue Byte catalog would happen to read this, he might see reason to take legal action. Not just against Porky_Paladin, but against the website as well.

Coincidentally, this annoyance of mine does stem from my days at the Underdogs forum, where copyrights holders were constantly banging on UD's door because she was hosting downloads for titles that were no longer being supported by their developers, to the point that she gave clear instructions to the forum on how the topic of piracy should be approached so as to not get Underdogs into further trouble (don't be bloody stupid, for example). I'm fairly certain the Codex has a similar rule that the users here shouldn't be inviting legal trouble that the admins will have to sort through.

So yeah, I'm annoyed at stupid criminals, great and small. At least when I'm talking about the piracy I conducted back in the day, I make sure no one can get into trouble for it.

It could be worse. I could be Tommy(bot). Remember him from the Underdogs forum?

Yes, Tommy...I can never play Warcraft 2 without thinking of that moron. I enjoyed the fights between him and Obi. Good times.
 
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I never had any issues with Darksun in DOSBox except having cycles too high for the timed part in the sequel. I remember there being an option to turn off character animations which may cause you to think the game is not running properly.
 
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Damn, the difficulty in these older RPGs sure can sting, especially after playing modern ones. I finished off the Celtic island and came to Maini, feeling all good about myself because I was doing pretty well against the enemies on the former by the end. Well, on Maini, every enemy mob has like 20 warniaks of high levels too, so every time they fart someone on my party gets a bad status effect. Every one of those encounters feels pretty epic though once you manage to kill them off. Going from KotOR 2 combat to this is like going from a beauty spa to maximum security prison.

P.S. There is no quick-save functionality in Albion, right? A kingdom for a quick-save key...
 

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Dark Sun Shattered Lands is a great find for any combatfag looking for something who hasn't played it. I first played it directly after finishing Knights of the Chalice and I fell in love with it. Playing it after KotC made me appricate both more than I might have if I just played one of them.
 

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Ah, Maini is my favorite part of the game, so much going on on that big continent. I will be interested to see, whether you have found everything, when you are done.
 

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Damn, the difficulty in these older RPGs sure can sting, especially after playing modern ones. I finished off the Celtic island and came to Maini, feeling all good about myself because I was doing pretty well against the enemies on the former by the end. Well, on Maini, every enemy mob has like 20 warniaks of high levels too, so every time they fart someone on my party gets a bad status effect. Every one of those encounters feels pretty epic though once you manage to kill them off. Going from KotOR 2 combat to this is like going from a beauty spa to maximum security prison.

P.S. There is no quick-save functionality in Albion, right? A kingdom for a quick-save key...

No quick-save that I know of.

Albion is definitely tougher than most modern games! It is also one of those single-player games that rewards grinding - i.e. it might be a good idea to:
a) kill a bunch of Krondirs and Warniaks in the wilderness on Nakiridaani before you leave
b) kill a bunch of bandits in the mountain pass on Gratogel before you leave

Many monsters respawn in Albion (I don't recall for sure, but I'm guessing the ones on Maini do as well) so if you're having trouble I'd just advise grinding a bit.

I have to say I'm somewhat envious of you. Albion was one of my first RPGs back in the day and it was the game that really got me into the genre - I wish I could experience it again for the first time! :)
 
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No quick-save that I know of.

Albion is definitely tougher than most modern games! It is also one of those single-player games that rewards grinding - i.e. it might be a good idea to:
a) kill a bunch of Krondirs and Warniaks in the wilderness on Nakiridaani before you leave
b) kill a bunch of bandits in the mountain pass on Gratogel before you leave

Many monsters respawn in Albion (I don't recall for sure, but I'm guessing the ones on Maini do as well) so if you're having trouble I'd just advise grinding a bit.

I have to say I'm somewhat envious of you. Albion was one of my first RPGs back in the day and it was the game that really got me into the genre - I wish I could experience it again for the first time! :)

Yeah, I've had to grind a bit here and there. When I was on the first Celtic island, got my ass handed to me pretty handily in the big dungeon, so eventually decided to go outside and get a little stronger. That worked like a charm. Now the same thing is happening on Maini, so I'm grinding a bit again.

I have to say this is the stingiest game with gold I've played in a while as selling stuff you get from fights only gets you so much gold, but then you have to pay for everything. Good equipment is really expensive, training costs money, so do potions, food, torches, etc. Stuff breaks all the time too leading to repair costs. So this keeps me on my toes, but it's actually refreshing to not be drowning in gold in an RPG after a while.
 

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The main problem seems to be that people think I'm raging when I'm not.

I was annoyed at the wrong term being used, plus the general ignorance that seems to go with it.

Normally something as trivial as the wrong term being thrown around is not even worth mentioning, but in this case there is a slight (VERY slight) possibility of this getting ugly. Because not only has a user confessed to a (minor) crime, but he's done the stupid thing of telling everyone what he stole. If the rights holder to the Blue Byte catalog would happen to read this, he might see reason to take legal action. Not just against Porky_Paladin, but against the website as well.


So yeah, I'm annoyed at stupid criminals, great and small. At least when I'm talking about the piracy I conducted back in the day, I make sure no one can get into trouble for it.

:lol:
 
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Ok, could use some help. I made it to the cellar dungeon under Kounos on Maini without using any hints/guidebooks, because the game has generally been hard but fair and logical. But now, I ran into something that makes no sense. There are some walkthroughs online for the game, but they are all so condensed if I try to look this issue up I will spoil a lot more, which I don't want to do. So I am hoping someone here can clear this up without giving out any other information.

So I explored the cellar dungeon under the Kounos Tavern in what I think is its entirety. 2 floors, with Kontos the druid being on the top floor, and on the 2nd floor, I even figured out how to open the force wall to the hidden rooms containing 2 chests. Found lots of nice loot, and I also found a "color map". This color map when inspected, shows 6 colored force doors/shields in a room. When I saw it, I immediately thought of a room like that on 1st floor of the dungeon. So once I finished exploring the 2 floors, I went back to that room and used the floor plates in front of those shields to set the shields to the color matching the map. Nothing happened. I think there are small rooms with trash heaps behind the force shields, which might contain some stuff I need, but my expectation was that when you set them to the right color, they will all open.

I even thought maybe I am being color blind or something (which is mildly true), but there are only 4 colors (blue, green, red and yellow or close to those), so it's hard to make a mistake. The pattern on the map is:

Blue Blue Green Reg Door

Red Green Yellow Reg Door

So, what am I missing without spoiling too much other stuff?
 
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I'm guessing it's just because the colours on the map aren't clear - they've tried to make the map look aged, one of the yellow blotches is darker than the other and they've used purple to signify red.

The solution is (with the player facing north):
blue blue red
yellow green yellow
 
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I'm guessing it's just because the colours on the map aren't clear - they've tried to make the map look aged, one of the yellow blotches is darker than the other and they've used purple to signify red.

The solution is (with the player facing north):
blue blue red
yellow green yellow

Thanks, that worked, but wow, that is one messed up map. Because the two yellows are so close to each other, I did try setting it to yellow for both on my own (although there is a distinct difference on the map between them), but the red I would've never gotten, it looks green on my map and exactly like the bottom green.
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Holy bovine droppings! I just got the hell out of Kenget Kamulos base with the High Knowledge and I don't know whether I am feeling ecstatic with satisfaction or hateful for all the endured pain. This hive of villainy was not a pleasant experience for me. The game sort of tricked me into complacency by splitting off most of my original companions (Sira, Mellath, Rainier) who were grinded and leveled and strong and mostly that didn't matter because I was still doing well in combat even without them. But no one warned me how tough this Kenget place was so I made the big mistake of going there with only 4 party members, including a greenhorn healer the Enlightened Ones force joined to my party, who was fairly useless (at least at first).

So there I was with really only 3 battle hardened veterans and a decent supply of food, torches and potions. But level after level of this giant dungeon kept tapping away my consumables while throwing endless waves of enemies at me. At some point, I started running low on everything and the few things I would find here and there would not be sufficient to resupply my party. Since I couldn't leave and restock, and since at some point all my older saves were overwritten by the ones in this place, there was no choice but to go forward. I started portioning stuff much more carefully and reloading fights so that I would get the RNG to be easy on my dwindling supplies.

At the same time, there was a shitload of enemies with nasty effects in there. Lots of them would do one shot lethal crits on my party members, others would cause disease and poisoning and other negative conditions. After a while I ran out of appropriate curing potions, and 2 of my 4 party members were poisoned and constantly losing health. The dungeon levels were filled with with tons of monsters too, which is especially annoying when you have no way to heal and your food is gone so you can't rest for healing.

To top it all off, whoever designed that dungeon's puzzles must've been a psychopath. Most of Albion is pretty fair when it comes to puzzles and such, but I had to look up 2-3 things in a walkthrough for this particular dungeon because they were just borderline retarded in my opinion:

1. To progress at one point, you have to find a secret passageway which is revealed/opened when you click a button in a dungeon hallway. The problem? This is a tiny button placed in a very tight hallway on the side and obscured by these sort of semi-pillars jutting out of the hallway's walls. If you are walking through that hallway normally, there is no way in hell you'll see that button. I only found it after reading about it in a walkthrough, and then walking through the hallways sideways, specifically looking for it and even then it took a while.
2. On another level of the dungeon, there is a door barring your way. There is a pressure plate in front of the door but when you step on it nothing happens. In another room nearby, there is a button on the wall. If you click on it, and then go stand on that pressure plate for something like 10 seconds, the door will be raised. How can someone figure this out without a cluebook?

Another wonderful thing about the dungeon were the Kenget mages. They have this beautiful AI which makes them move from their spot whenever someone targets them. This makes them pretty much immune to melee, and hard as hell to target wit most spells. Since I only had one offensive mage with me, I had to trap them between the melee and the mage's row-type spell which still took forever and lots of wasted casts, which especially hurt since I was running low on mana potions among everything else.

Somehow I finally managed to make my way to the 2D part of the base, the inner region. Just to clarify how tight it was, by this point I had zero food, 1 health potion and 1 mana potion left which I wanted to keep for emergencies. The inner region was swarming with large groups of enemy mages and soldiers, and there was no way I could fight them without being able to sleep and/or use potions to regenerate health/mana. I really thought my game might be screwed at this point. Still, I didn't want to waste the whole playthrough, so I stuck with it. I got by these groups that I couldnt fight by walking around them in zigzagging patterns, trying to use their pathfinding and the game's uneven movement speeds (horizontal vs vertical vs diagonal) against them. They gave me a good run for my money, killing me plenty fo times, but eventually via trial and error, I worked my way to the final room without losing my precious last 2 potions and any more health.

Of course then the final fight took place, oh, just against the human avatar of their god. That's when I used those last 2 potions to good effect, and somehow managed to kill him off with my beaten down group. Still can't believe I made it out. Whew.....
 

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Well, you managed to do, what is considered the hardest part of the game and is usually played as the last thing before going to the finale, with 3.5 party members. That's quite impressive there, normally people go in there with a high levelled party and it still gives them a run for their money.

Though your choices are quite weird. Why didn't you bother to pick up Mellthas and Sira again? That's pretty much the first thing I do after they leave. That Rainer leaves is something to be grateful of, actually, he is by far the weakest party member in the game.

Spoiler is about something on Maini.
Did you manage to prevent the assassination plot on Maini?
 
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