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Norfleet

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What jargon are you saying doesn't "mean something"?
Well, for starters, your "Agile" business. Agile is a already a word that means something. Since this process is clearly taking awhile, it is, well, not agile. Some suit must have come up with this term because it sounds word-like and therefore cool, but it is nothing more than newspeak. War is peace, freedom is slavery, and agile is slow.
 

Angthoron

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What jargon are you saying doesn't "mean something"?
Well, for starters, your "Agile" business. Agile is a already a word that means something. Since this process is clearly taking awhile, it is, well, not agile. Some suit must have come up with this term because it sounds word-like and therefore cool, but it is nothing more than newspeak. War is peace, freedom is slavery, and agile is slow.
That's how all jargons work - you don't go inventing new words, you don't start speaking Elf. You just have a bunch of people agree that something means something else now, then spread it around. If the jargon group is large enough, eventually the word meaning will shift in the mainstream language as well, like, say, mouse.

It's a natural feeling to be opposed to such things, but they have their use. Sure, you could say "human interface manipulator device" or "that thing that makes pointer move on the screen that you hold with your hand that's sticking out of the computer", or you can say "mouse". Same shit with the business lingo terms - they usually house a large concept in a brief word or word cluster and speed up communication between a pair of zombified execs. It's all Practical Evil.
 

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What jargon are you saying doesn't "mean something"?
Well, for starters, your "Agile" business. Agile is a already a word that means something. Since this process is clearly taking awhile, it is, well, not agile. Some suit must have come up with this term because it sounds word-like and therefore cool, but it is nothing more than newspeak. War is peace, freedom is slavery, and agile is slow.

I think they use the word "Agile" in the context that the system is extremely flexible, ie.. because of its extreme focus on its iterative process it can adapt (nimbleness, move quickly and easily) to changing requirements. I think that is the context they speak of concerning calling it "Agile". I think the term is appropriate to what the system attends to, though I find the system to be limited due to its lack of attention to fully structured development processes.

There are however business concepts and words that make little sense (or seem the least likely choice) and they make you think a bunch of pot heads sat around in a room stoned coming up with "brilliant" ideas.

What jargon are you saying doesn't "mean something"?
Well, for starters, your "Agile" business. Agile is a already a word that means something. Since this process is clearly taking awhile, it is, well, not agile. Some suit must have come up with this term because it sounds word-like and therefore cool, but it is nothing more than newspeak. War is peace, freedom is slavery, and agile is slow.
That's how all jargons work - you don't go inventing new words, you don't start speaking Elf. You just have a bunch of people agree that something means something else now, then spread it around. If the jargon group is large enough, eventually the word meaning will shift in the mainstream language as well, like, say, mouse.

It's a natural feeling to be opposed to such things, but they have their use. Sure, you could say "human interface manipulator device" or "that thing that makes pointer move on the screen that you hold with your hand that's sticking out of the computer", or you can say "mouse". Same shit with the business lingo terms - they usually house a large concept in a brief word or word cluster and speed up communication between a pair of zombified execs. It's all Practical Evil.

Yep, humans aren't machines and so we have to give more simplistic casual reference to things at times for people to remember more easily. I think that is why acronyms are used often, they are easy to remember words as opposed to the more complex or lengthy descriptions.
 
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Norfleet

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That's how all jargons work - you don't go inventing new words, you don't start speaking Elf. You just have a bunch of people agree that something means something else now, then spread it around. If the jargon group is large enough, eventually the word meaning will shift in the mainstream language as well, like, say, mouse.
Yes, but a mouse actually bears some kind of resemblance to, well, a mouse. It's a natural and comprehensible name. Calling a slow, cumbersome development process "agile" is like calling war "peace". It's not merely jargon, it's newspeak.
 

Angthoron

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That's how all jargons work - you don't go inventing new words, you don't start speaking Elf. You just have a bunch of people agree that something means something else now, then spread it around. If the jargon group is large enough, eventually the word meaning will shift in the mainstream language as well, like, say, mouse.
Yes, but a mouse actually bears some kind of resemblance to, well, a mouse. It's a natural and comprehensible name. Calling a slow, cumbersome development process "agile" is like calling war "peace". It's not merely jargon, it's newspeak.
It's "agile" compared to the "traditional" methods. In fact, it's spawned as an antagonizing "methodology":

Individuals and interactions over Processes and tools
Working software over Comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over Contract negotiation
Responding to change over Following a plan

As you can see, in a businessman mind, that is pretty damn flexible and agile.
 

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