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Baldur's Gate Beamdog's Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Enhanced Editions

Theldaran

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Of course there are people that like Dragonspear, as with anything. It's only that the hecklers are far more numerous.
 

Malpercio

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Dragonspear is tolerable, and half of the people who hate it are /pol/ tards who never played it anyway.
 

A horse of course

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Dragonspear is tolerable, and half of the people who hate it are /pol/ tards who never played it anyway.

I've never played Dragon Age 3 but I feel confidant writing it off as garbage based on their previous work. But go ahead and give Beamdog money.

/pol/ is full of interracial and trap porn.
 

mitochondritom

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I will throw in another vote for "enjoyed Dragonspear". I thought they did a good job with it, especially the amount of nods to other Forgotten Realms stuff. I played it on hard and found it challenging, but not impossible. The encounter design was pretty decent, there wasn't a lot of "trash" enemies and I actually found myself using consumables a lot, unlike the Bioware BG games. There is also a surprising amount of CnC, even if it is a Linear romp and so the reactivity is almost illusory. The writing is all over the place, the infamous Mizneha is actually the least annoying of the new characters (Glint monkeycheese gnome takes the crown there). People whinging about Safana haven't played the game as her character is basically identical, but expanded upon.

I honestly think if Dragonspear had been released as an "interquel" back in the day it would have been really highly rated. The biggest disappointment in the entire thing is the hamfisted repeated inclusion of Irenicus making the antagonist Caelar Argent a bit redundant, as everyone playing it immediately knew who Irenicus was. It would have been 100x better to just have him cameo towards the end but I cannot blame them for overusing him when they got Warner back.
 

imweasel

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I honestly think if Dragonspear had been released as an "interquel" back in the day it would have been really highly rated.
The concept of Dragonspear is good, but it would have been better if the original design team would have made it TBH... but some of the content of the cancelled second expansion pack for BG did make it into Dragonspear.

Daigle also took the opportunity to bring some previously unused Baldur’s Gate material back to life: "The original Baldur's Gate had a canceled second expansion pack after Tales of the Sword Coast. This was supposed to involve a sinister individual who is trapped in stone, but can reach into the world to influence events. The sages of Candlekeep were to send the party on a quest to retrieve the stone. We took some of these concepts and modified them for use in Siege of Dragonspear."
 

Ezrite

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For some reason I cannot get into BG2 anymore as much as BG1. The less "epic" gameplay of BG1 seem to fit me much better. Cozy Sword Coast.
 

Mexi

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For some reason I cannot get into BG2 anymore as much as BG1. The less "epic" gameplay of BG1 seem to fit me much better. Cozy Sword Coast.
I like BG2, but easily, I've replayed BG1 so many damn times. I really like Duralag's Tower in BG1. That's a really good level.
 

Coma White

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For some reason I cannot get into BG2 anymore as much as BG1. The less "epic" gameplay of BG1 seem to fit me much better. Cozy Sword Coast.

You may just prefer a lower-level adventure, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. Some players like the feeling of just surviving, using their wits and more limited tools to scrape by. Other players love the higher-level experience of instagibbing a Lich in melee before he can fire off that Time Stop. Each has their merits, though I find the latter harder to design for.

What I like most about the Baldur's Gate games is the transition from one to the other. That feeling of importing into Shadows of Amn and quickly realizing that, while you've grown so much; the danger is greater than ever.

Though I haven't played Siege of Dragonspear, and I don't intend to.
 

Sykar

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For someone who never played the original versions, would you guys recommend the EE versions over the base versions?

Nein, njet, no, nej, etc. Get the original versions from Gog and use the fixpacks from Gibberling 3 site:

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

Saves money and all you need is maybe 5-10 minutes setting the game plus the fixpack up. If you fancy you can try with mods but my recommendation is just play the original version with core fixes for your first playthrough and give the EE cashgrabs the middle finger.
 

Coma White

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Nein, njet, no, nej, etc. Get the original versions from Gog and use the fixpacks from Gibberling 3 site:

http://www.gibberlings3.net/

Saves money and all you need is maybe 5-10 minutes setting the game plus the fixpack up. If you fancy you can try with mods but my recommendation is just play the original version with core fixes.

Seconded. The technical "improvements" (I find the new UI to be WORSE in some ways than the old one) aren't worth suffering through Beamdog's horrible new fanfiction characters. They're just atrocious.
 

Jaesun

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For some reason I cannot get into BG2 anymore as much as BG1. The less "epic" gameplay of BG1 seem to fit me much better. Cozy Sword Coast.

Low level D&D encounters are.... a bit much more fun end enjoyable to many people. They are a bit much more less tactical, but still more enjoyable.
 

Mexi

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For some reason I cannot get into BG2 anymore as much as BG1. The less "epic" gameplay of BG1 seem to fit me much better. Cozy Sword Coast.

Low level D&D encounters are.... a bit much more fun end enjoyable to many people. They are a bit much more less tactical, but still more enjoyable.
Learn how to write, shit-hawk.
 
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I like low level D&D encounters, but BG1 isn't D&D and is vastly simplified. I like levels 3-6 in a game like ToEE that has a much wider range of options but for the IE games levels 6-10 or thereabouts are the best.
 

Ramireza

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For someone who never played the original versions, would you guys recommend the EE versions over the base versions?

Not anymore.

The pre 3.0/SoD Patch Versions where ok, but now the UI is a total mess.

Better buy the GoG Version and give it some patch love.
 

Coma White

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A few years ago I picked up a set containing both Baldur's Gates and expansions, both Icewind Dales, Planescape: Torment, and The Temple of Elemental Evil for about 20 USD at Best Buy. I think it was called the Dungeons and Dragons Anthology Master Collection, or something like that.
 

Ezrite

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I guess you can say BG1 is just more barebones and easier to pick up.

I like BG2, but easily, I've replayed BG1 so many damn times. I really like Duralag's Tower in BG1. That's a really good level.

You may just prefer a lower-level adventure, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. Some players like the feeling of just surviving, using their wits and more limited tools to scrape by. Other players love the higher-level experience of instagibbing a Lich in melee before he can fire off that Time Stop. Each has their merits, though I find the latter harder to design for.

What I like most about the Baldur's Gate games is the transition from one to the other. That feeling of importing into Shadows of Amn and quickly realizing that, while you've grown so much; the danger is greater than ever.

Though I haven't played Siege of Dragonspear, and I don't intend to.

Low level D&D encounters are.... a bit much more fun end enjoyable to many people. They are a bit much more less tactical, but still more enjoyable.

Seems you people are right. I prefer the low level. On lower level all classes also feels like they got a use while on higher you need buffs pretty much to be a decent fighter. This is also how I prefer my pen and paper as a player and DM. And I also agree with you Coma White. It is harder to make a high level, high fantasy game that is good and do not come off cheesy.
 
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Lilura

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Oh, RPGs that employ the Vancian magic system and do not enforce rest restrictions.

But yeah, Siege of Dragonspear is in the lvl range you guys claim to like. Some aspects of it are superior to both BG and BG2. Why don't you give it a whirl - BECORZ MIZAYNA?
 

Ezrite

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Oh, RPGs that employ the Vancian magic system and do not enforce rest restrictions.

But yeah, Siege of Dragonspear is in the lvl range you guys claim to like. Some aspects of it are superior to both BG and BG2. Why don't you give it a whirl - BECORZ MIZAYNA?

I gave it a go and it lacks a lot in options and choices sadly. But the so called villian is to me pretty cool.
 

Incantatar

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I don't get why you'd advise against playing the EEs for newbs. There are mods for removing the EE content. Mandatory imo. The engine fixes are pretty good. ToBEX is abandoned and clunky. And if you want to have a pure and buggy game you should advise playing SoA w/o ToB, which was EE light in that it fixed shit, added mediocre (at least not horrible) content and had some poor engine changes.
 

ArchAngel

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Only reason to not play EE is if you are autistic and prefer the safe and known that all autists cling to.
 

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