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Is the manga over yet!
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Berserk and the Band of the Hawk - a Musou/Warriors game
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polo
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Animation is really shity with a lot of those shade lines or w/e the fuck those are. But still, its berserk and the ambience and action scenes are really good. I like it despite animation.
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If you didn't like the movies animation in the new show will make you want to commit serial suicide. It gets better as it goes on, but it's clear something went terribly wrong.
well, ambience... sure, but it wasn't the action per se that makes the anime adaptation (the real one) so good it's how subtly they managed to capture the characters and the characterizations. Yes the action was great but not in the sense of something like Ninja Scroll, more in the sense of "holy shit Guts just broke that dude's sword with his teeth!", etc. in fact the real anime probably has like, what, 5 scenes total of action?
the real anime adaptation's soundtrack also greatly enhanced the entire thing by deftly externalizing the characterizations. i found none of that present in the remake movies and i was hoping against hope that the new anime was being called shit because it simply had shitty animation but from i've read online it seems it is shit because of shitty animation and because it doesn't capture the spirit of the characters.
real berserk fans don't give a shit about the action or the animation... we care about the narrative, story, characterizations, motivations, etc. BTW, in many ways i find the original anime adaptation superior to the source material it covers (which i know is not a popular opinion). i think the original anime's studio did a better job than the manga of distilling the archetypes those characters represent and elevated them, and made excellent creative decisions that elevated the material like excising characters like the faerie and the skull knight, as those characters are just bad anime tropes.
the real anime adaptation's soundtrack also greatly enhanced the entire thing by deftly externalizing the characterizations. i found none of that present in the remake movies and i was hoping against hope that the new anime was being called shit because it simply had shitty animation but from i've read online it seems it is shit because of shitty animation and because it doesn't capture the spirit of the characters.
real berserk fans don't give a shit about the action or the animation... we care about the narrative, story, characterizations, motivations, etc. BTW, in many ways i find the original anime adaptation superior to the source material it covers (which i know is not a popular opinion). i think the original anime's studio did a better job than the manga of distilling the archetypes those characters represent and elevated them, and made excellent creative decisions that elevated the material like excising characters like the faerie and the skull knight, as those characters are just bad anime tropes.
Perkel
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IT is CG shit. IF you want to watch berserk watch old anime.
You know what is the most hilarious thing ?
There exist already awesome Berserk game on PS2 which looks better than that mussou piece of crap and animations in it are better than recently release piece of crap CGI anime and fucking covers almost everything up until boat i think or slightly before it.
And has absolutely fucking amazing INTRO:
What i would fucking give for proper balls to the walls Platinum Games Berserk game in 2017
Tehdagah
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That PS2 game is a slower version of Musou games. At least someone is doing a proper Musou game now.
This is gayest hispter argument I've ever read.
Koei should have made a Berserk visual novel instead, it's not like if action is important in an action series.
The new anime has a plenty of these.
No, the characters are the same thing.
This is gayest hispter argument I've ever read.
Koei should have made a Berserk visual novel instead, it's not like if action is important in an action series.
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Tehdagah
the characters were not the same in the remake movies, and the majority agrees w/ me on this. have not watched the new anime so cannot comment but commentariat surrounding it is what planted the idea in me that they also failed to capture the characterizations, just like the remake movies.
thinking that the characters are the same just because they're visually represented in the same manner, have the same name and are doing the same things is telling of your lack of understanding about what characterization means.
action alone is worthless if the characterization and motivations behind the characters and behind the action is unrealized; for the same reason a jump scare in a horror movie will never work if you don't care about the character in peril whereas the jump scare will work if the movie properly hooked you.
EDIT: perfect example of how something like editing can completely change characterization:
- in the original theatrical cut of the Empire Strikes Back when vader cuts off Luke's hand and Luke lets go and falls off the platform he falls in silence, allowing the audience to conjecture that he fell of his volition and bravery and did not scream while falling even though he didn't know if he would survive or not; or that perhaps he did know that he would survive and his letting go and falling was all calculated.
- in all future releases of the empire strikes back (re-mastered editions and onwards) Lucas decided to edit in a yell while Luke is falling. He decided to make Luke scream. This now makes the audience think that Luke did not choose to let go of the platform of his own volition or that even if he did his fear of death overpowered him as he was falling making him yell in panic and terror.
see how characterization works now? the most subtle change whether it be visual, aural or textual can completely change the anatomy of a scene or a character.
the characters were not the same in the remake movies, and the majority agrees w/ me on this. have not watched the new anime so cannot comment but commentariat surrounding it is what planted the idea in me that they also failed to capture the characterizations, just like the remake movies.
thinking that the characters are the same just because they're visually represented in the same manner, have the same name and are doing the same things is telling of your lack of understanding about what characterization means.
action alone is worthless if the characterization and motivations behind the characters and behind the action is unrealized; for the same reason a jump scare in a horror movie will never work if you don't care about the character in peril whereas the jump scare will work if the movie properly hooked you.
EDIT: perfect example of how something like editing can completely change characterization:
- in the original theatrical cut of the Empire Strikes Back when vader cuts off Luke's hand and Luke lets go and falls off the platform he falls in silence, allowing the audience to conjecture that he fell of his volition and bravery and did not scream while falling even though he didn't know if he would survive or not; or that perhaps he did know that he would survive and his letting go and falling was all calculated.
- in all future releases of the empire strikes back (re-mastered editions and onwards) Lucas decided to edit in a yell while Luke is falling. He decided to make Luke scream. This now makes the audience think that Luke did not choose to let go of the platform of his own volition or that even if he did his fear of death overpowered him as he was falling making him yell in panic and terror.
see how characterization works now? the most subtle change whether it be visual, aural or textual can completely change the anatomy of a scene or a character.
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Tehdagah
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I'm talking about the new anime, didn't watched the movies. Guts is Guts, Isidro is Isidro, Luca is Luca, Puck is on it (finally), etc
"but commentariat surrounding it is what planted the idea in me that they also failed to capture the characterizations"
Probably fanboys complaining about trivialities and going "muh sauce material is perfect". The anime did a pretty good job at summing up the Black Swordsman Arc (Guts being a borderline nihilist due to his previous traumatic experiences and obsession with revenge, trying to not relate with other people, but occasionally showing vulnerability and a glimpse of good-hearted intentions) in the first 3 episodes, while at the same time mixing it with the Conviction Arc. Actually I would say the anime made him less 'edgy' than in the manga, which is incline (licking his own blood lol). Miura also wrote a 'new' cool character for the anime.
"action alone is worthless if the characterization and motivations behind the characters and behind the action is unrealized; for the same reason a jump scare in a horror movie will never work if you don't care about the character in peril whereas the jump scare will work if the movie properly hooked you."
Good thing this isn't the case. I care about the characters and the action is awesome.
Also, you're right about the Star Wars edit. Although screaming while falling to death is totally a human reaction and you can't really control it.
"but commentariat surrounding it is what planted the idea in me that they also failed to capture the characterizations"
Probably fanboys complaining about trivialities and going "muh sauce material is perfect". The anime did a pretty good job at summing up the Black Swordsman Arc (Guts being a borderline nihilist due to his previous traumatic experiences and obsession with revenge, trying to not relate with other people, but occasionally showing vulnerability and a glimpse of good-hearted intentions) in the first 3 episodes, while at the same time mixing it with the Conviction Arc. Actually I would say the anime made him less 'edgy' than in the manga, which is incline (licking his own blood lol). Miura also wrote a 'new' cool character for the anime.
"action alone is worthless if the characterization and motivations behind the characters and behind the action is unrealized; for the same reason a jump scare in a horror movie will never work if you don't care about the character in peril whereas the jump scare will work if the movie properly hooked you."
Good thing this isn't the case. I care about the characters and the action is awesome.
Also, you're right about the Star Wars edit. Although screaming while falling to death is totally a human reaction and you can't really control it.
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you do bring up the most important point of all: the majority is always wrong.
i'll torrent some eps and give it a watch... after i finish watching the PS2 game cutscenes someone linked above. Those cutscenes are really well done! makes me want to torrent the game and play it on ps2 emulator but the urge to watch all of the cutscenes right now is too strong.
i'll torrent some eps and give it a watch... after i finish watching the PS2 game cutscenes someone linked above. Those cutscenes are really well done! makes me want to torrent the game and play it on ps2 emulator but the urge to watch all of the cutscenes right now is too strong.
By the way, Susumu Hirasawa released yesterday his new album full of his contributions to the different Berserk series, movies and games.
https://susumuhirasawa.com/special-contents/release/ash-crow/index_en.html
https://susumuhirasawa.com/special-contents/release/ash-crow/index_en.html
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I would not rate the new anime too highly. Way too much crappy CGI and not enough characterization. Some cringe-worthy sound effects, such as metallic clangs all the time, also while swinging at spirits. And the nipple censorship is just silly (though I guess it's wapanese regulations for TV).
But still, it's Berserk!
And it moves the story forward, rather then ending with the Golden Age.
Plus the music is epic.
So I'm very happy it exists. You should see for yourself if you'll like it.
But still, it's Berserk!
And it moves the story forward, rather then ending with the Golden Age.
Plus the music is epic.
So I'm very happy it exists. You should see for yourself if you'll like it.
TheHeroOfTime
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Baron Dupek
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Number 1 Requested Berserk Character Confirmed as DLC for Band of the Hawk
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e-mailio estevez
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I can't believe they added the rapehorse 
duanth123
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Source
Edit: nevermind
http://berserk.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonslayer
meh, I think Muira's permitted to indulge in a few tropes given some of the insane shit he's drawn.
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flyingjohn
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No co op no buy.
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meanwhileInPoland
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ahaha 60€ for fucking reskin of mousu game? thx but no
sullynathan
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Anyone played it? Will a true berserk fan like it?
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