Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel

[Makabb]

There there :pats jcd:

 

[DeepOcean]

Except it's not. The shooting mechanics are shit in Borderlands, essentially every weapon is the fucking same, enemy HP and damage bloat out the ass.

oh wait
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Borderlands 1 or 2? If it is Borderlands 1, you have some reason to complain but Borderlands 2 they increased the weapon variety a great deal and on this one they increased even more. HP bloat is sometimes annoying but never reach Destiny level of insanity.

FFS this thread. Complaining about writing on dumb shooters is a waste of time, there is very little decent writers willing to waste their time writing for video games and even less for BRO shooters. The only thing I really complain about is the lack of kinestetic feeling you have on shooters like F.E.A.R (the guns feel too much like peashooters on Borderlands), the crazy difficulty curve without a proper difficulrty setting (Murder machine or one shot on sight aren't good difficulty settings), the predatory Gearbox consumer milking practices and the insane low decent loot drop rates. They trying to make this Diablow 2 almost ruin it as a FPS. Buy the game of the year edition at 50% off, play on a weekend and forget about it. It is a AAA "experience" what you guys expected?

 

[Psquit]

The best thing to come out of Borderlands [NSFW]:

Spoiler

 

[Gerrard]

but Borderlands 2 they increased the weapon variety a great deal and on this one they increased even more..

No it fucking didn't.
BL2 had less weapon variety than the first game. They removed parts and made certain characteristics only available from certain manufacturers leaving you with a sea of shitty homogenized shit.
We already had this discussion when it came out.

The damage bloat on enemies was so bad that if you weren't lucky enough to find some ridiculously overpowered gun you would spend more time on the ground than up in the last 3rd of the game. Look at all these HUGE NUMBERS on your HP and shield that mean fucking nothing and you die in 3 -4 hits.

Fuck you for making me write this shit again.

 

[jcd]

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[DeepOcean]

But those characteristics were only introduced in BL2, and made the manufacturers actually matter. The weapons still have different parts, there are sights, barrels, bayonets, and magazines that are random for each weapon.

Yeah, they actually even balanced a bit some old variations of guns like miniguns being useful for some classes now when machineguns were a waste of time and bullets for everyone on Borderlands 1.

 

[Blaine]

Hello, there. Yes, I'm ashamed, but the truth must be told.

The apologists in this thread are clearly Gearbox shills. All Borderlands 2 weapons within the same class, regardless of manufacturer or parts, feel and play pretty much the same as all the other weapons within the same class. They vary only by degrees in aspects such as rounds per second, magazine capacity, inherent accuracy, elemental properties and so on.

There are a few exceptions, such as elemental railguns that play somewhat differently than the standard sniper rifles they're based on, but again, these are exceptions and are essentially different classes of weapon in and of themselves. There are also some unique legendary weapons that have a genuinely unique feel, such as the Pitchfork, which is a sniper rifle that shoots a pitchfork-themed line of energy beams across the field. Due to the game's completely fucking dumbass MMO-mimicking level scaling and loot tables, however, these weapons—which must also be grinded for MMO-style, unlike the original Borderlands—rapidly become too weak to use and must be replaced 2-3 levels after finding them, unless you're already at the level cap. This may also sound MMO-like, and it is, because in the original Borderlands, you could use a good weapon for a dozen or more character levels before it became ineffective. In Borderlands 2, enemy and item stats increase exponentially every few level-ups, so you must constantly replace all of your gear.

In short, there are about a dozen or so "standard" (this includes e-tech) weapons in Borderlands 2 varying only by degrees (mainly stats, not feel), as well as a handful or two of rare legendaries with genuinely unique characteristics, but which are rare as balls and you'll only be able to use for a short period of time. Also, there are a shitload of horrible parts combinations and gimmicky bullet types which no one in their right mind would ever use, which even still are very much like other weapons within the same class.

Needless to say, I had 0 (zero) hype for the Pre-Order Our DLC Pre-Sequel, as the franchise is now utter trash and the people defending it are simply trying to save face and/or can't handle being faced with their own stupidity in enjoying such total garbage to begin with.

 

[DeepOcean]

Hello, there. Yes, I'm ashamed, but the truth must be told.


As the franchise is now utter trash and the people defending it are simply trying to save face and/or can't handle being faced with their own stupidity in enjoying such total garbage to begin with.

Wot? At least, did you get a decent legendary?

 

[Blaine]

In fairness, about half of that is AFK time, for example if I fell asleep or went off to work and left the game running. I'd say I spent a couple hundred hours on two separate single-player playthroughs, and a hundred hours on co-op.

A bigger issue for me than the largely illusory weapon variety in BL2 were the MMO-like game mechanics, which I hated. The variety and quality of the visuals and level design were much improved since BL1, I absolutely enjoyed the Handsome Jack narration (the Grandma's House quest still gets me in stitches), and frankly, the increased NPC characterization was an improvement on BL1's sparseness, even if it was all dumb memes. Nearly everything else about the game was a step backward from BL1 however, and Gearbox showed absolutely no remorse for these fuckups (just the opposite in fact), so that was it for me.

I have a weakness for loot grinders and Diablo clones, and I like first-person shooters. What can I say? Well, I can say that the emphasis on HP bloat and weapon/gear stats over stuff like actual aiming precision, reflexes, and situational awareness (crazy, I know, who cares about such things?) was ultimately more of a detriment for me.

 

[Gerrard]

But those characteristics were only introduced in BL2, and made the manufacturers actually matter. The weapons still have different parts, there are sights, barrels, bayonets, and magazines that are random for each weapon.

No they weren't, the parts system was in the first game as well, except not being limited by manufacturer you actually could end up with some exceptional weapons. In BL2 everything is shit and the only weapons that matter are uniques.

 

[jcd]

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[Clockwork Knight]

How about we stop relying on foggy memories and use the internet

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Borderlands_2_Weapons

 

[Gerrard]

The only thing that the manufacturer limits is the unique gimmick, and those were not present in BL1, like throwing a weapon like a grenade to reload it. The rest of the parts can be swapped freely.

In BL2 you could not have a machine gun that had great accuracy AND large magazine AND good damage AND good RoF.

Also, there are no minignuns in this game, fuck you. Just because you stick 3 barrels on an assault rifle doesn't make it a minigun. And this is another reason why Borderlands is shit.

 

[evdk]

Well, in BL1 you could not have fun, so I think it balances out in the end.

 

[Blaine]

foggy memories

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Borderlands_2_Weapons

Clearly, Wiki articles listing stat tables and on-paper descriptions will do a better job of conveying how using those weapons feels in practice than actually using those weapons for hundreds of hours. After all, my memory is surely "foggy."

Get fucked, you passive-aggressive betalord.

 

[jcd]

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[Gerrard]

Because these discussions took place around the time the game came out and the conclusion was that weapon variety in BL2 was fucked compared to the first game. There's probably some in the old BL2 thread as well.

And no, you couldn't, because of the way the weapon stats were determined.

Well, in BL1 you could not have fun, so I think it balances out in the end.

>implying you could have fun in BL2 when it was the same shit with a different coat of paint

 

[Blaine]

Well, your memory was probably foggy then, too.

 

[jcd]

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[Makabb]

I must have had fun wrongly then. I will try to eradicate the memories of the fun times I've had with this game, however difficult it proves to be. If I knew that it's not fun from the beginning, I would probably think twice before starting to enjoy playing it.

It was not the fun you were looking for, move along.

Also probably you were playing it wrong if you had fun.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Clearly, Wiki articles listing stat tables and on-paper descriptions will do a better job of conveying how using those weapons feels in practice than actually using those weapons for hundreds of hours. After all, my memory is surely "foggy."

>a list isn't as reliable as my memory

Get fucked, you passive-aggressive betalord.

omg so badass pls don't beat me up

How am I even supposed to reply to this posturing shit?

 

[Blaine]

>a list isn't as reliable as my memory

Are you too muddled by your shitty little personal agenda to acknowledge the concept of "looks good on paper"?

If we were to operate solely on the basis of the text printed in Arcanum's instruction manual, for example, we might reasonably assume that the game's combat would be nuanced and highly enjoyable. I drew the very same conclusion when I purchased Arcanum years ago, because i began by reading the manual, as all monocled individuals do.

Of course, I was horribly, horribly mistaken—because lists, tables, and descriptions ultimately aren't worth a squirt of piss in a hurricane until they're tested in a live game. As an aside, this also applies to tabletop RPGs.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

your shitty little personal agenda

?

acknowledge the concept of "looks good on paper?

Don't care about your memories. My post was directed at the argument between jcd and gerrard, about the weapon variety in 1 and 2.

 

[Blaine]

That's exactly what I was talking about, though.

In any event, this is now boring and a waste of time. Reasonable individuals might assume that BL2's weapon variety is somewhere in-between the extremes of my view of it, and jcd's view of it. Or they may assume anything they wish, the best assumption being that the Borderlands franchise is a skippable waste of time.

 

[Metro]

Go eat a twinkie, ya fat bastage. Games are fine to play through once... maybe twice. But farming drops is utterly pointless.