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are you even trying these days metro what is this weak ass shit
Irony. Well... not really because you're trying way too hard. I get it, a lot of you youngsters want to feel mature and part of the crowd by bashing on seemingly any modern action RPG that comes out. The revamped DX is hardly the worst offender, not by a long shot.

Grow up.
 
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'Everyone' being Codex posters? Again, don't care. Just stick to your emo-youth racist rants, buddy. Hopefully one day you shake off this little phase of yours. For your sake.
 
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Again, which people are those? The internet people you hang out with in Codex/Steam chat? I think I've made pretty clear their opinion is fairly irrelevant to me. You're in your 20's, you should be out socializing instead of grubbing around internet chat rooms babblin. If people don't like my comments they can remove me from their Steam friends list... but... they don't? When you get a little older you'll realize there's a world outside of the internet.

Anyway, we've occupied enough of this thread's space with your broken record argument. You keep repeating the same thing thinking it has some kind of effect on me and it doesn't. The fourth time isn't, either.
 
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It's ok, just chug some medkits straight from your inventory instead. If that doesn't help, you can always activate the regen aug instead.
...Wait, wrong DX?
Medkits were a limited resource that required some investment in the related skill to be all that useful. The regen aug needed to be found and installed first, and it also ate up energy (which admittedly was plentiful but still not unlimited, and every other aug required it as well), whereas Human Revolution's health regen is completely free and there right from the start.

That being said, Human Revolution is probably the only game where the "you can turn it off from the options" argument is actually valid. I played through the game three times without the gay cover system, object highlighting, quest compass and whatever other aids the game allowed me to turn off, and at no point did I feel like I was gimping myself of losing out on something. The game actually is perfectly playable this way, in fact it's probably the only way to play the game, and if you can't find your way around without a quest compass, you are a goddamn retard. The level design has its faults that have been discussed ten times over in this thread and others, but the compass isn't to blame there. No doubt the game would be easier if you played it with the cover system, but so what? The game isn't exactly hard even if you stick to first person, and it's not like you're artificially making the game harder — you're just choosing to go in without cheat codes. Health regen sucks, but at least it's pretty slow and is given an in-game explanation, so it's more tolerable than in most games despite still lbeing shit.

There are a couple of things that kind of suck about the first-person mode, though. The first is the lack of leaning, which means that you'll often have to rely on the stupid radar and smart vision in order to stay out of sight instead of being able to just use your human senses, which is moderntard idiocy that should be eradicated (although the smart vision is justified in this context). Another thing are the takedowns. I fucking hate them. Hate. Hate. There are 387,44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers etc. Hate. HATE. It's an awesome button, pure and simple, requiring no skill nor precision whatsover and even conveniently stopping the time for you so that you can watch Jensen do his useless acrobatics that rip all control away from you and reduce you to a mere bystander. With the lack of melee weapons, you kind of have to rely on the takedowns if you want to play the game in a specific way, and even though the game offers you a wide variety of other silent non-lethal weapons, the "you don't have to use it" argument just doesn't apply here.

If they fixed these two things, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if they kept adding an even easier Story Mode or whatever into their next game.
 

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Another thing are the takedowns. I fucking hate them. Hate. Hate. There are 387,44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers etc. Hate. HATE. It's an awesome button, pure and simple, requiring no skill nor precision whatsover and even conveniently stopping the time for you so that you can watch Jensen do his useless acrobatics that rip all control away from you and reduce you to a mere bystander. With the lack of melee weapons, you kind of have to rely on the takedowns if you want to play the game in a specific way, and even though the game offers you a wide variety of other silent non-lethal weapons, the "you don't have to use it" argument just doesn't apply here.
To be fair, I think that enemy takedowns in stealth games (or games which allow stealthy playstyles) where you have some visual aid to tell you whether you are ready to perform a backstab, are better than games where you can swing your around freely and have to hit an enemy from the back to knock him out, except you can get fucked over by the shitty hitboxes which often means an instant reload. I think TF2 did it best for the Spy classes where you automatically hold your knife up if you are ready to backstab someone, but you can still swing your knife around and facestab people like a normal melee weapon. It's better if you are absolutely sure whether your prod shock to the neck of that guy is an instant KO, or a miss, rather than the game registering your hit as a miss when you perceived it as a hit. Little mistakes like that in a stealth game can be costly. That said, obtrusive button prompts and relying too much on flashy takedowns isn't ideal either.
 

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I think TF2 did it best for the Spy classes where you automatically hold your knife up if you are ready to backstab someone.
Already done by Thief: Deadly Shadows years earlier, and I don't see how it's even comparable to HR's takedowns. It's like you tried to kill a mosquito with a surface-to-air missile.

In HR you only need to be standing somewhere close to an enemy or two and roughly look at his or their direction, and Jensen will kick their fucking asses no matter what. Not only that, but he'll freeze time while he does it, meaning that he can beat his enemies into one or two bloody pulps in perfect silence, pulling off all kinds of ridiculous shit without anyone else having a chance to react or intervene in any way. You have no control over Jensen's moves, you're simply initiating a cutscene where Jensen does all the fighting for you. Knocking someone out wasn't difficult in Deus Ex, except for some well-justified exceptions like the MJ-12 commandos, but it was made more exciting by the chance of failure, no matter how slim. Getting it right was also more satisfying because you were in direct control of JC's positioning, timing, movement and every single action he performed. You could hit the enemy perfectly in the back of his head ass, or you might just swing the air in front of you and end up looking like a fool, but very rarely you failed because of the game rather than your own lack of skill. In Human Revolution it's always a perfect takedown, every single time, and there's zero precision or skill involved in it. I'll take the occasional wonky hitbox over the game playing itself for you any given day.
 

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DXHR wasn't as good, obviously, but it wasn't bad.
if a console corridor shooter with quest compass enemy radar health regen and sticky cover isnt bad i dunno what is
Exaggerate much?
point out the exaggeration
It was already pointed out, but you, like other DX fanboys (who are mostly younglings ironically), you just ignored the criticism of your fanboyism.
Let me distill it once more. It's not like HR is absolute fuck off awesome grand ultra shit. It's just that DX isn't really THAT fucking godly as most of you color it, which makes DX vs HR a pretty close contest, with DX being better game by some margin, which is no where near huge. Given the overall decline of triple AAA vidya, HR is especially refreshing as it is imo one of the best games of last decade.

Btw, replaying HR with aggressive kill-em-all shooter guy now and it has HUGE edge over DX as an all out shooter. Gunplay is very good for a hybrid shooter that aims for realism and it's really goddamn challenging even, when using pop-a-moling. Much more so than DX on ''realistic''. Dying is very easy if you choose to blast your way through. HR AI is shit, but DX was even worse and you could take way more damage before going down, while enemies running like demented chickens up and down the square, while alerted instead of taking cover, which is a what HR do at least.

Only really fucking retarded thing is the XP system, which wants to punish you for certain style of gameplay, although i guess it can be reduced to ''sawyeritis''. Being a rambo guy really takes a lot less praxis points to get most useful skills. I'm just at the beginning of China mission and have laready most of what i need except upgraded damage resistance and recoil, which i will prolly get asap as i got 6 available points now. Except for that only icarus landing is what i really need (for convenience mostly). Then i can start spending points on the same shit i wasted hige amount, while playing stealth build. hacking alone is enormous praxis sink and even then you can't hack for shit with level 4-5 terminals (always use the ''magical'' thingie on them).

PS. Complaining about health regen is retarded not only for reasons pointed in previous post, but because there is explicit AUG that makes Jensen have it and it fits the setting.
 
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I'd rather have a game that tries to replicate the original's attention to details, reactivity and multiple paths through level (in addition to adding its own things like dialogue battles and expanding on weapon modification) than a modern reboot that shits all over its predecessor and dismisses its qualities.
Of course, but Human Revolution still comes off as a game that was made with a checklist at hand, like they had a very specific game in mind and then added stuff to it so that it ticks all the "Deus Ex" boxes (conspiracies, the choice between combat and stealth, "boss fights" against augmented opponents, a number of different endings etc.). As a result it comes off a bit forced, with the levels being more like enhanced corridors rather than being open in a way that feels natural, with the bosses being tacked-on and out-of-place, the endings coming down to just pushing a button, and so on.

I wouldn't mind at all if they dropped "Deus Ex" from the title altogether and just focused on their "Human Revolution" series*. The game's good enough and different enough to stand on its own two feet anyway, and it has largely different themes and a world that doesn' fit in all that well with the setting established in Deus Ex.

* Although the Deus Ex name probably pushes them into incorporating some of its design philosophy and keeping up a certain standard, which probably doesn't hurt.
Without some sort of checklist, how would you keep the work of 90+ people consistent? Even if you were able to find 90 people that are diehard fans of the first game, they would place different priorities on each element.
 

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It's just that DX isn't really THAT fucking godly as most of you color it, which makes DX vs HR a pretty close contest

Too many decline-enablers in this thread. Human Revolution, while a commendable effort, simply doesn't make the grade. It cannot stand alongside the works of Looking Glass' breed. There is a large number of reasons for this, many of which won't be perceived by the average Joe with zero design sense and a lack of playtime experience like Gnidrologist.

And no, Deus Ex isn't perfect, nobody said nor implied it was. Its got/had a lot of flaws, yet regardless Human Revolution simply isn't in it's league. Silence the nonsensical discord.
 

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Every time I see there's an update for this thread, I am stupid enough to assume that it's something more substantive than a rerun of a 5-year old debate.
 

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Gunplay is very good for a hybrid shooter that aims for realism and it's really goddamn challenging even, when using pop-a-moling
DX:HR gunplay is killed by sponginess of enemies and stupid weapon stats . Enemies can take about 10 rifle bullets to the chest , but kill you in about 4 . Also , some other shit :

Dudes can kill you with single shotgun shot , but can take several shotgun shots from you .
Machinegun has less power than pistol .
Lasergun is absolutely useless .

Observations from "Give me Deus Ex" difficulty .
 

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Lasgun is super-useful! ....but only vs Zhao boss, because it shoots right through the "impenetrable" glass barrier, ending this retarded boss encounter in less than 10 seconds.
Shotgun does suck for some bizarre reason... But then again the original DX pump-action shotgun also sucked balls, hard.
Pistol becomes the most powerfulk gun in DX:HR as soon as you acquire the armor-piercing upgrade, and that's pretty bad, yeah. But it doesn't make the machinegun bad actually.
Also, why are you shooting the bad guys in the chest? That's where the body armor is, duh. Gotta pop the moles.
 

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Also, why are you shooting the bad guys in the chest? That's where the body armor is, duh. Gotta pop the moles.
Just wanted to point that stats are unfair in DX:HR , it was not the case in original Deus Ex .
 

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In my playthrough I avoided gunfight whenever possible and kept buffing the Revolver for bossfights, and that turns out to be a bad idea because the Revolver was fucking terrible even when I kept pimping it with every fucking mod I found.
 

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In my playthrough I avoided gunfight whenever possible and kept buffing the Revolver for bossfights, and that turns out to be a bad idea because the Revolver was fucking terrible even when I kept pimping it with every fucking mod I found.

I did the same and Revolver is fucking powerful with explosive rounds.

This. Revolver with explosive rounds is actually even more powerful than the AP-mod pistol.
 

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