Dominions 4: Codexian Hall of Fame

[Dreaad]

This was Grimwulf 's idea, blame him. Welcome to the new world where you will be oppressed by your tyrannical Russian overlords.

A thread in which all ongoing and finished dominions 4 games will be recorded for all time until the Dark Underlord merges us with retardo land. A thread in which champions are recognized. A thread in which you may post amazing stories or images from your games. A thread in which you may post AAR's for games, how well or badly your tactics worked, how many times the grim wulf has personally killed you or how much Malakal terrifies you.

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A thread in which all dom 4 players will be listed so it's easier to find subs/players for your games.

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If you don't want to be included feel free to say so. If I missed someone feel free to say so. If you wish a description to be added by your name pm me or someshit like that.

It should be mentioned that we lost some records already, during the dark ages, when this sub forum did not exist. Thus some games can only be truly remembered by those who were in them. It should also be mentioned that I did not join in until Decline 6/Malakal's team game and therefore do not possess the full picture of events before that time. Luckily the grimmest drunkest of wulf's has filled in some of the gaps for me.

What does this mean for you all? When you start a new game (as in gameplay has begun) say something here and I will update the post.

The List of Codexian, Dominions 4 Pretenders:

Anhur
Berekän
CaptainCoxwaggle
Caul Shivers
coldcrow
CrimsonAngel
Cromwell
Dayyālu
Dim
Dreaad - Your humble vatnik host.
Grimwulf
Harpsichord
hello friend
hoverdog
Isiloon - Loves Lanka and Russia.
Johannes
JohnTheRevelator
Joined on the 4th of July
KoolNoodles
Lizzurd
Malakal
Matalarata
mondblut
Mraston
Muty
noisenerd
panda
profreshinal
raw
sqeecoo
thesheeep
TripJack
Waterpls
Zephyr Arsland
Zzz

List of Games and Winners: With details provided by the ever hard working Grimwulf

Decline 1: The Begging. FFA. Ended with a champion's duel in the arena, a draw between Dayyalu, KoolNoodles and Mraston.

Decline 1

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-play-by-email-game-complete.92400/

FFA game set in LA, 8 players. Ended somewhere around turn 90 with a series of champion's duels , ultimately resulting in a tie between Dayyālu, KoolNoodles and Mraston.

AAR by Dayyālu: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...mail-game-complete.92400/page-19#post-3664316

Decline 2: Rain of Stones. FFA. Killed with a Llamabomb. Dayyalu refused to admit Grimwulf's victory, so no victors there.

Decline 2

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-2-we-require-more-rains-of-stones.99589/ (the better half of the thread fell victim to The Merge)

FFA pbem set in EA, 16 players. Was llamabombed on turn 97. The survivors couldn't agree on a single victor.

The players that made it to the end:
sqeecoo - Ermor
Malakal - Tir na n'Og
Grimwulf - Xibalba
Dayyālu - Atlantis
Joined on the 4th of July - Lanka

Score graphs right before the llamabomb: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ore-rains-of-stones.99589/page-9#post-4065618
Last turn of Xibalba: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...re-rains-of-stones.99589/page-11#post-4100727
AAR by sqeecoo (Ermor): shttp://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-2-we-require-more-rains-of-stones.99589/page-12#post-4181299

Decline 3: The Geriatric Wars. FFA. Sqeeco won by Throne victory on turn 95.

Decline 3

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-season-3-the-geriatric-wars.99636/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. The winner is sqeecoo, a decisive Throne victory on turn 95.

Several AAR's on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-4-season-3-the-geriatric-wars.99636/page-14
And epic AAR by sqeecoo (part 1): http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...the-geriatric-wars.99636/page-14#post-4213516

Decline 4: Awesome VS Terrible. 5v5. Johannes (team leader) and his team (awesome) won after team 'terrible' surrendered.

Decline 4

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/

Disciples pbem set in LA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Team Awesome won somewhere in the beginning of midgame stage, due to Team Terrible giving up.
Awesome leader: Johannes
Awesome disciples: raw, TripJack, JohnTheRevelator, profreshinal

Score graphs from Team Awesome: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/#post-3981270
Score graphs from Team Terrible: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/#post-3981413

Decline 5: Raw's Silliness. 5v5. Grimwulf (team leader) and his team (communism) won by Throne victory.

Decline 5

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dom4-decline-5-raws-silliness.99598/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Throne victory of team Communism on turn 31.
Die Hard Commies leader: Grimwulf
Commies: Lizzurd, sqeecoo, panda, Matalarata

Some short AAR's and fond memories on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dom4-decline-5-raws-silliness.99598/page-7

Decline 6: Police VS Hooligans. 5v5. Dayyalu (team leader) and his team (hooligans) won by Throne victory.

Decline 6

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eason-6-hooligan-onslaught-drilling-in.99600/

Disciples pbem set in LA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Throne victory of team Hooligans on turn 41.
Hooligans leader: Dayyālu
Hooligans: hoverdog, thesheeep, Grimwulf, Anhur

No AAR's in this one.

Decline 7: Summer Salsa. FFA. Ongoing.

Decline 7

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...summer-salsa-9-people-waiting-on-muty.100593/

FFA pbem set in EA, 10 players. After a difficult fight against many AI's, Anhur crushed their metal heads under his Ulm boots. (It was a well deserved win.)

Decline 8: Lizzurd VS Grimwulf. 4v4. Grimwulf (team leader) and his team won (Lizzurd's team surrendered).

Decline 8

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-grimwulf-how-quickly-the-tide-turns.101577/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 8 players, two teams (4 vs 4). Grim Team won the game on turn 17 due to Lizzurd's Team giving up.
Grim Team leader: Grimwulf
Brothers in arms: mondblut, panda, Joined on the 4th of July

Some AAR's, analysys and combat videos: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ulf-how-quickly-the-tide-turns.101577/page-14

Decline 9: Dominion Zen Masters. FFA. Ongoin.

Decline 9

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...en-masters-auxiliary-boosters-ignited.103016/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. Malakal won on turn 61, everybody else surrendered.

Surrender post: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-24#post-4329850
Malakal's short AAR: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-24#post-4331761
Map and half-arsed analysis: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-21#post-4289730

Decline 10: New Blood for the Feast. FFA. Ongoing.

Decline 10

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-10-new-blood-for-the-feast.103947/

FFA pbem set in LA, 11 players. Currently ongoing.

Decline 12: Dayyalu's relaxing game.

Decline 12

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...he-slaughter-purr-we-need-more-catnip.106211/

Disciples pbem set in EA, 12 players, four teams (3v3v3v3). Finished. After many years of epic battle and attempting to fight off the AI overlords, one of robot masters cast imprisonment, trapping the entire game within the llama matrix thus winning by default.

Non-Decline/Unofficial Codexian Games:

2013!: From the Mists of History. FFA. Game suffered a llamadeath.

Codex 2013

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-mp-game-thread.88100/

FFA pbem set in EA, 8 players. Was llamabombed on turn 34.

Province graphs before it died: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ns-4-mp-game-thread.88100/page-3#post-3098843

Teams: Malakal's Team Game. 3v3v3v3. Malakal (team leader) and his team won, Throne victory.

Malakal's disciple teams game

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-4-small-disciple-teams-game-complete.100409/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 12 players, four teams (3 vs 3 vs 3 vs 3). Malakal's team claimed Throne victory on turn 40.
Malakal's team leader: Malakal (duh)
Malakal's henchmen: Muty, JohnTheRevelator

No AAR's exist.
Some modest amount of butthurt on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...l-disciple-teams-game-complete.100409/page-14

NatGen: (NatGen Mod) Dayyalu won by Throne victory.

NatGen

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-natgen.100212/

FFA pbem set in Nation Generator mod, 7 players. Dayyālu won somewhere around midgame by Throne victory.

A promise of a proper AAR given by Dayyālu: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-natgen.100212/page-8#post-4117740

Pink Nataraja: The Wastelands. FFA. (NatGen Mod) Ongoing.

Pink Nataraja

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pink-natajara.101920/

FFA pbem set in Nation Generator mod, 10 players. Grimwulf won on turn 86 by eliminating other players. Dayyālu survived the massacre as vassal.

Conclusion: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-4-pink-natajara.101920/page-20#post-4228940

Grim Antiquity: The grim-est.

Grim Antiquity

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-grim-antiquity.102423/

FFA pbem set in EA, 7 players. KoolNoodles won around turn 70 by Throne victory.

AAR by KN: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-4-grim-antiquity.102423/page-18#post-4324456

Armaggedon: Chaos VS Order. 5v5. (Warhammer mod races) Ongoing.

Dominions Armageddon Edition

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-armageddon-edition.103683/page-3

Disciples game set in Warhammer setting (mod nations), 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Chaos Team won, Order Team surrendered. *Somebody specify which turn was it - use search function in your email*

Chaos Team leader: Isiloon
Chaos Team disciples: Harpsichord (subbed for hoverdog), Dayyalu, KoolNoodles, mondblut

Conclusion post: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...rmageddon-edition.103683/page-14#post-4311709

 

[Joined on the 4th of July]

Decline: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-play-by-email-game-complete.92400/
Some earlier one: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-mp-game-thread.88100/

They were far enough from the first page to avoid The Merge.

 

[Grimwulf]

Would be great if you can make sorta spoiler sections for each game and provide some details. At least mention all the players in winner's team of disciple games. Like this:

Decline 6: Police vs Hoolingans

Ended by Throne victory of team Hooligans.
Team Leader: Dayyalu
Henchmen: thesheep, Anhur, Grimwulf, hoverdog
Link to the thread: ---
Links to AAR's: ---

 

[Dreaad]

Thank you for volunteering to complete this prestigious task!

 

[Kane]

Thank you for volunteering to complete this prestigious task!

Delegation is key to Leadership. Good. Gooooooodd.

 

[Dayyālu]

Dreaad

1) Decline 1 was a tie between me, Mraston AND KoolNoodles.
2) Sqeecoo must be included in Decline 2 for reasons (he had a chance for victory before the llamabombing)
3) Decline 4 ended with our team conceding, so no Throne victory but surrender.
4) There is still THIS abomination going on, refusing to die in pure hoverdog-like fashion:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=IHNIWID

If only hoverdog could give us the turn to see how this thing evolved without human intervention!

Pink Nataraja: The Wastelands. FFA. (NatGen Mod) Ongoing.

Madmen think alike, I guess

 

[sqeecoo]

This thread is a great idea Mr Admin Sir, and you've jolted me out of my indolence to start writing a Decline 3 AAR in the game's thread!

 

[Grimwulf]

Awright Dreaad, you lazy butt. I'll start with the games I played myself, simply because it's less effort. I didn't always follow threads of other pbems.

Decline 2

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-2-we-require-more-rains-of-stones.99589/ (the better half of the thread fell victim to The Merge)

FFA pbem set in EA, 16 players. Was llamabombed on turn 97. The survivors couldn't agree on a single victor.

The players that made it to the end:
sqeecoo - Ermor
Malakal - Tir na n'Og
Grimwulf - Xibalba
Dayyālu - Atlantis
Joined on the 4th of July - Lanka

Score graphs right before the llamabomb: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ore-rains-of-stones.99589/page-9#post-4065618
Last turn of Xibalba: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...re-rains-of-stones.99589/page-11#post-4100727
AAR by sqeecoo (Ermor): shttp://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-2-we-require-more-rains-of-stones.99589/page-12#post-4181299

Decline 3

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-season-3-the-geriatric-wars.99636/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. The winner is sqeecoo, a decisive Throne victory on turn 95.

Several AAR's on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-4-season-3-the-geriatric-wars.99636/page-14
And epic AAR by sqeecoo (part 1): http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...the-geriatric-wars.99636/page-14#post-4213516

Decline 5

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dom4-decline-5-raws-silliness.99598/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Throne victory of team Communism on turn 31.
Die Hard Commies leader: Grimwulf
Commies: Lizzurd, sqeecoo, panda, Matalarata

Some short AAR's and fond memories on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dom4-decline-5-raws-silliness.99598/page-7

Decline 6

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...eason-6-hooligan-onslaught-drilling-in.99600/

Disciples pbem set in LA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Throne victory of team Hooligans on turn 41.
Hooligans leader: Dayyālu
Hooligans: hoverdog, thesheeep, Grimwulf, Anhur

No AAR's in this one.

Decline 8

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-grimwulf-how-quickly-the-tide-turns.101577/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 8 players, two teams (4 vs 4). Grim Team won the game on turn 17 due to Lizzurd's Team giving up.
Grim Team leader: Grimwulf
Brothers in arms: mondblut, panda, Joined on the 4th of July

Some AAR's, analysys and combat videos: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ulf-how-quickly-the-tide-turns.101577/page-14

You don't expect me to do every game on my own, right?

 

[Lizzurd]

You don't expect me to do every game on my own, right?

 

[Kane]

You don't expect me to do every game on my own, right?

thank you for volunteering. i wish more people would have the ability to do all our games!

 

[Dreaad]

Edit: OP updated. Looks terrible, may edit into something more pleasing later. Everyone remember to rewards Grim's hard work with beer fists.

 

[Grimwulf]

 

[Joined on the 4th of July]

Decline3 was a 14 player game, not 10 player. Heresy!

 

[Grimwulf]

Decline3 was a 14 player game, not 10 player. Heresy!

Derp.

 

[Grimwulf]

Grimwulf the drunk historian reporting. If I missed some of AAR's or other interesting stuff - wake up yer lazy arses and post the links yourselves.

Decline 1

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-play-by-email-game-complete.92400/

FFA game set in LA, 8 players. Ended somewhere around turn 90 with a series of champion's duels , ultimately resulting in a tie between Dayyālu, KoolNoodles and Mraston.

AAR by Dayyālu: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...mail-game-complete.92400/page-19#post-3664316

Decline 4

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/

Disciples pbem set in LA, 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Team Awesome won somewhere in the beginning of midgame stage, due to Team Terrible giving up.
Awesome leader: Johannes
Awesome disciples: raw, TripJack, JohnTheRevelator, profreshinal

Score graphs from Team Awesome: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/#post-3981270
Score graphs from Team Terrible: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline4-johannes-already-won.99599/#post-3981413

Decline 7

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...summer-salsa-9-people-waiting-on-muty.100593/

FFA pbem set in EA, 10 players. Currently ongoing.

Decline 9

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...en-masters-auxiliary-boosters-ignited.103016/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. Currently ongoing.

Decline 10

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/decline-10-new-blood-for-the-feast.103947/

FFA pbem set in LA, 11 players. Currently ongoing.

Awright, somebody gotta make shitty mspaint pics for Decline 1 and Decline 10, raw style. Would be also great if people confessed when Decline 1 and Decline 4 ended - you can see the last received turn in your email, just use search function. Also also, seems like Decline 7 was llamabombed recently, but it needs confirmation.

Next. Non-Decline Codex games.

Codex 2013

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-mp-game-thread.88100/

FFA pbem set in EA, 8 players. Was llamabombed on turn 34.

Province graphs before it died: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ns-4-mp-game-thread.88100/page-3#post-3098843

Malakal's disciple teams game

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-4-small-disciple-teams-game-complete.100409/

Disciples pbem set in MA, 12 players, four teams (3 vs 3 vs 3 vs 3). Malakal's team claimed Throne victory on turn 40.
Malakal's team leader: Malakal (duh)
Malakal's henchmen: Muty, JohnTheRevelator

No AAR's exist.
Some modest amount of butthurt on this page: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...l-disciple-teams-game-complete.100409/page-14

NatGen

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-natgen.100212/

FFA pbem set in Nation Generator mod, 7 players. Dayyālu won somewhere around midgame by Throne victory.

A promise of a proper AAR given by Dayyālu: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-natgen.100212/page-8#post-4117740

Pink Nataraja

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pink-natajara.101920/

FFA pbem set in Nation Generator mod, 10 players. Currently ongoing.

Grim Antiquity

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-grim-antiquity.102423/

FFA pbem set in EA, 7 players. Currently ongoing.

Dominions Armageddon Edition

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-armageddon-edition.103683/page-3

Disciples game set in Warhammer setting (mod nations), 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Currently ongoing.

That's finally it. Dreaad, you have my blessing to remove pics from spoilers if you want.

 

[Dreaad]

Amazing stuff bro thanks for the work. I'll find a way to smuggle some ale to your location.

 

[Grimwulf]

Come on, Dreaad, edit the OP Delete the non-spoiler parts or smth.

Decline 4: Awesome VS Terrible. 5v5. Johannes (team leader) and his team won - IIRC by Throne victory? Not sure.

What is this?

 

[Dreaad]

Sorry dad.

 

[Grimwulf]

Pink Nataraja: The Wastelands. FFA. (NatGen Mod) Ongoing.

Awirght, dis one is over. Grimwulf won on turn 86 by conquering the realm. No AAR's.

Last turn map: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-4-pink-natajara.101920/page-20#post-4228940

 

[Dreaad]

You forgot to add the game has an amazing story line featuring the likes of Iron Dreaad Man, Walter 'Grim' White, treacherous (undead) and amusing monkey underlings, lightning lizards who died to a dominion push by one pretenders awesome presence, Caul Shivers and his mages who can't aim, Bilbo 'cyclops' Bagginses and all the other causalities of the wastes.

It was a fun game, thanks Caul Shivers

 

[Dreaad]

Pretenders. You will notice we now have a new home, or rather our old home was moved, from the degenerate MMO rpg subforum to the prestigious LP subforum. I expect you all to continue with your usual quality shitposting, dissenters will be exiled to Siberia prosperland.

 

[Grimwulf]

You will notice we now have a new home

We've also noticed that the OP never updates.

 

[Dreaad]

I was just waiting for the right moment!

Spoiler

Spoiler

It'll happen.

 

[Grimwulf]

I hate you, Dreaad. Seriously.

Decline 9

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...en-masters-auxiliary-boosters-ignited.103016/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. Malakal won on turn 61, everybody else surrendered.

Surrender post: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-24#post-4329850
Malakal's short AAR: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-24#post-4331761
Map and half-arsed analysis: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-boosters-ignited.103016/page-21#post-4289730

Decline 11

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ecline-11-the-grimgrinch-vs-christmas.105709/

FFA pbem set in MA, 10 players. Currently ongoing.

Decline 12

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...he-slaughter-purr-we-need-more-catnip.106211/

Disciples pbem set in EA, 12 players, four teams (3v3v3v3). Currently ongoing.

Pink Nataraja

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-pink-natajara.101920/

FFA pbem set in Nation Generator mod, 10 players. Grimwulf won on turn 86 by eliminating other players. Dayyālu survived the massacre as vassal.

Conclusion: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...s-4-pink-natajara.101920/page-20#post-4228940

Grim Antiquity

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-4-grim-antiquity.102423/

FFA pbem set in EA, 7 players. KoolNoodles won around turn 70 by Throne victory.

AAR by KN: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-4-grim-antiquity.102423/page-18#post-4324456

Dominions Armageddon Edition

Thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/dominions-armageddon-edition.103683/page-3

Disciples game set in Warhammer setting (mod nations), 10 players, two teams (5 vs 5). Chaos Team won, Order Team surrendered. *Somebody specify which turn was it - use search function in your email*

Chaos Team leader: Dayyālu
Chaos Team disciples: Harpsichord (subbed for hoverdog), Isiloon, KoolNoodles, mondblut

Conclusion post: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...rmageddon-edition.103683/page-14#post-4311709

History is important. Update the OP!

 

[Dayyālu]

Wait, wait, I survived even Grim antiquity as a vassal.

And in the Warhams game, or team leader was Isiloon , believe it or not. He even did an adequate job!