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I wouldn't. I'm not a cretin to buy game I already played.
 

Mozg

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I'd rather have a "spiritual successor" remake like Risen, although I think the Gothic 1 new-guy-in-a-self-ruled-prison-colony setup is worth stealing (minus the high fantasy save the world parts).
 

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If gothic 1 - 3 were remade today with modern graphics but similar art style and far better controls, combat and technical fixes, would the codex buy such a game?

I know that gothic 3 was severely flawed but I think the liberation mechanic had something good going on for it.

No. They would also be remade with all the added modern bullshit and updated with modern "values", and with a number of new dumb bugs and technical limitations absent in the original.
And that's even besides the fact that what made G1+2 so good is not just the sum of the parts that made up the games, it's them being available at that particular time, with then-us being different people than now.
You can't enter the same river twice.
 

Sigourn

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If gothic 1 - 3 were remade today with modern graphics but similar art style and far better controls, combat and technical fixes, would the codex buy such a game?

I know that gothic 3 was severely flawed but I think the liberation mechanic had something good going on for it.

Yes. What people seem to forget when answering this questions is that what you explain is what we would get.

Now, what people who ask these questions seem to forget is that we will never get a game like that. Even Skywind, made by the fans... will be using Skyrim's shitty combat mechanics.
 

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
 

Doktor Best

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I agree, but its not like Gothic3 is a game that works well.

They should make a new Gothic 3, but not as a remake, more like in the sense of a reboot.
 

janior

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Isn't there community patch that fixes most of the game issues? Never tried it so i dunno for sure.

Btw i don't think they would make anything more then changing fonts in menus and adding hd mod or whatever.
I don't think iv'e ever played a good remake of an old game that was in any way superior to it's predecessor.
Whole point of necoring old classic is shameless moneygrab and we should stop creating market for it.

Everyone should know that already though.
 

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To my great shame, I've actually never played any of these games (that I can remember anyways). Closest I got was Risen which I enjoyed quite a bit.

If I'm gonna play them, should I just start with the first game?
 

Darth Roxor

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If I'm gonna play them, should I just start with the first game?

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, I've started NotR once again, this is my third try and this time I intend to finish it (previous times I was stopped by the game glitching out early on, but base G2 I've finished at least thrice). Especially since this time I'm also playing it FULL TEUTON
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Hot damn, each time I get to fucking Khorinis, it really takes me back. To a better time when worldbuilding and coherence actually mattered, when a big city wasn't made of 10 houses at best, and when geldbeutels were stashed on top of every roof.
 

Doktor Best

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To my great shame, I've actually never played any of these games (that I can remember anyways). Closest I got was Risen which I enjoyed quite a bit.

If I'm gonna play them, should I just start with the first game?

Yes. Install System Pack and roll.
 

ERYFKRAD

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Hot damn, each time I get to fucking Khorinis, it really takes me back. To a better time when worldbuilding and coherence actually mattered, when a big city wasn't made of 10 houses at best, and when geldbeutels were stashed on top of every roof.
That Khorinis theme is something else, man.

 

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat
 

Murk

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Shut the fuck up kid.

G 1 and 2 have plenty satisfying combat, and the controls work just fine.
 

Mozg

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Let's not go crazy. Gothic combat isn't particularly interesting. It's basically a simple action minigame you learn for each enemy and a functional test of how much armor and damage you've RPG'd up. Risen is a little more robust and there's plenty of headroom above that.
 

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There's always room for improvement, that doesn't mean g1 and g2 had bad combat.
 

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Being a member of the Thieves Guild and the Ring of Water at the same time after you join the Monastery of Innos is pretty funny. You're double-crossing everyone except Xardas - and maybe him too.
 

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
 

Murk

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Pure stats can win you fights, but only against weak enemies. With enough armor, you can avoid being damaged altogether. Leave a scavenger or wolf pup alive and face tank them with medium or better armor (heavy militia/merc works).

But, that's only if you fight disproportionately weaker enemies. If you follow the normal course of the game, enemies will always be a threat -- especially orcs, dragon snappers, and lizardmen.
 

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
The combat is poor in every gothic game. This is coming from someone who plays twitch games, you can't compare gothic's combat to any other action rpg with good combat.
 

janior

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
The combat is poor in every gothic game. This is coming from someone who plays twitch games, you can't compare gothic's combat to any other action rpg with good combat.

Maybe now it looks not that appelling but for 2001 standards it was really innovative and still better then most of new shit. Which action rpgs you have on mind that are better though?
 

sullynathan

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
The combat is poor in every gothic game. This is coming from someone who plays twitch games, you can't compare gothic's combat to any other action rpg with good combat.

Maybe now it looks not that appelling but for 2001 standards it was really innovative and still better then most of new shit. Which action rpgs you have on mind that are better though?
All the souls games + bloodborne, dragon's Dogma and even from the 10 minutes I played, severence played better
 

Orobis

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Combat is a lot easier if you stick to gothic 1 controls. You can swing the weapon from side to side (holding mouse button and hitting a and d) much quicker than gothic 2 controls.

Yea it feels more clunky than gothic 2 but overall its the superior control scheme, it just takes time to get used to it.

Out of the hundreds of RPG's iv'e played over the years Gothic 2 is without question one of my favourite, its not perfect but no other RPG imo comes close to the satisfaction of the level progression that Gothic 2:NOTOR provides.

Game developers can learn a lot from the gothic series, except gothic 3 which is a steaming pile of mud dump.
 

janior

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
The combat is poor in every gothic game. This is coming from someone who plays twitch games, you can't compare gothic's combat to any other action rpg with good combat.

Maybe now it looks not that appelling but for 2001 standards it was really innovative and still better then most of new shit. Which action rpgs you have on mind that are better though?
All the souls games + bloodborne, dragon's Dogma and even from the 10 minutes I played, severence played better
Gibe me some older games, not 10 years older titles, come on man that's not fair comparison.
 

sullynathan

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What the fuck is wrong with people who want remakes of games that work well and don't need one, encouraging such shit is retarded.
Ikr, no mouse support and "tedious" clicking of two buttons is good enough reason.
They don't work all that well. The controls of the series aren't all that good except for gothic 3 and none of the games have satisfying combat

Combat is good because it rewards players who are actullay good at the game and pure stats never ever going to win you a fight, that's the right way to go about combat-system in action RPG.
The combat is poor in every gothic game. This is coming from someone who plays twitch games, you can't compare gothic's combat to any other action rpg with good combat.

Maybe now it looks not that appelling but for 2001 standards it was really innovative and still better then most of new shit. Which action rpgs you have on mind that are better though?
All the souls games + bloodborne, dragon's Dogma and even from the 10 minutes I played, severence played better
Gibe me some older games, not 10 years older titles, come on man that's not fair comparison.
Severance is older than gothic
 

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