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Vapourware Greed Monger Insider Thread (drama inside)

Intrigued007

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Even in declaring it as gifts, if you're "working" on something and running your own company, it's considered Substantial Gainful Activity.

Your business activity will be considered SGA if you:
  • provide significant services to the business and receive a substantial income from it (the SSA has specific guidelines for defining significant and substantial)
  • perform work that's comparable to the work of persons without disability in your community engaged in the same or similar businesses, or
  • perform work that's worth $1,090 per month in terms of its value to the business or what it saves you from having to pay an employee to do the work.

Pretty sure most "lead developers" make more/perform services worth more than $1,090 a month ... Especially if said person is the only person actually working on the game.

(EDIT: I'm in no way saying that James' work is worth $1,090+ a month ... That'd be laughable. However, with how much work he's claiming to have done, he could easily hold a normal job and not draw disability.)
 
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Thane Solus

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By the way, this is my new Zombie Survival MMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=159&v=c6iMDk9fFIk

Any similarities with this $40 Unity Asset Pack and James's Proctor own Zombie Survival game, is pure coincidence!

What do you guys think of making a Kickstarter to fund this game, so we can throw more money at Greed Monger ?

:desu:

I am sorry, but Jim added bloom, so its not the same graphics, controller and scripts:

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:hmmm: :troll:

HELLO! I AM COMMANDER SHEEPPARDZ AND THIS IS THE BEST THREAD ON CODEX!

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10 years, eh?


You have:
  • Rise of Heroes MMO
  • Survival City MMO
  • Farm Land MMO
  • Space Sim
  • Greed Monger MMO
  • UniPython
  • Inventory example
  • Custom Terrain Engine
  • MMO Framework
  • Social Arena
  • City Life MMO
  • Failed Voxel Framework... then you got help by Jason buying you a Voxel (see Kickstarter page)
  • Rise of Hero MMO
  • Survival game...

Will you be quitting and starting City, Farm and Space MMO soon?


Your MMO framework is nothing but Lidgren, IronPython run-time strung, MySQL data connector strung together. http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/un...tion-of-a-zone-based-mmo-architecture.278453/


Your MMO Framework is joke.... You are using Atavism which is different network technology than Lidgen. Atavism promises features, functions which will fix many bugs that Greed Monger MMO during 2014, in 2015... and now is 2015. Then, things that Greed Monger needs, will be there in 2016.


In every one of these failed attempts, there were elements of, what I call, amateur hour.

Screenshots of what you did - pink color textures, dirty looking grass, incoherent placement of objects, inability to use free things that Unity has on asset store as placeholders, insistence of using AAA things like bloom, SSAO when environment isn't done.

This MMO, that MMO, insistence of making a MMO is mindless stupidity of scaling to the peak of the mountain top on delusions and grandeur. You took over Greed Monger MMO - and in past 3 years, not 1 single obligation was delivered. The thousands of parcels of land are today, just vaporware dreams.


All this buying 3rd party is like buying expensive music equipment to amateurs. It don't improve the music and because amateur don't know basics (or don't bother to learn the basics), the overall music does not improve. It's like buying Unistorm and taking hideous screenshots when every one's else I've seen don't look that bad. Gloria Invictus uses Unistorm and their screenshots looks very professional.


You are scam artist, James. You over-estimate your own programming skills, fail at every task given to you, trick everyone that because you know Lidgren, used Python, used MySQL, then claim you know MMO! The sheer amount of negative PR and bad reputation you've built (BY YOURSELF) will follow you wherever you go. No amount of spin, name changing, or will ever erase the long history JAMES PROCTOR has for being a liar, scam artist, and poor project manager.


BTW, if you were scam artist and doing shitty level-design work, I think you consider work for free until you learn basic elements of level-design.
 
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Even in declaring it as gifts, if you're "working" on something and running your own company, it's considered Substantial Gainful Activity.

Your business activity will be considered SGA if you:
  • provide significant services to the business and receive a substantial income from it (the SSA has specific guidelines for defining significant and substantial)
  • perform work that's comparable to the work of persons without disability in your community engaged in the same or similar businesses, or
  • perform work that's worth $1,090 per month in terms of its value to the business or what it saves you from having to pay an employee to do the work.

Pretty sure most "lead developers" make more/perform services worth more than $1,090 a month ... Especially if said person is the only person actually working on the game.

(EDIT: I'm in no way saying that James' work is worth $1,090+ a month ... That'd be laughable. However, with how much work he's claiming to have done, he could easily hold a normal job and not draw disability.)
The crux of this is that he is disabled and he needs that money. I am all about calling out fraud in disability/welfare which is far too prevalent.

This whole thing is fucking killing me and tbh I wish I never would have started it and if i'd known this was the outcome I never would have done this because shits coming down on the wrong person .

James is a very nice guy who truly believes he can do this .It doesnt fucking matter what anyone says about anything- he trying hard as fuck to do this and find a way to make a living and get off disability. He honestly doesnt get what he did here and what it looked like by posting pics of another game since he truly believed nobody would see this as what appeared to be abandoning GM without telling anyone. Since that really wasnt his intent he figured it was all good. He honestly , 100% thinks he can pull off GM and all its promised features . Hes not scamming or lying but really believes this.

Of course he jumped at the chance to take over GM and didnt think shit all the way through- It was some impulsive shit that was done with the best intentions and sold on dreams.

If I was in a different position I would honestly find this funny as hell instead I see this as horrible as a very vulnerable person could end up very fucked up regardless of intentions.

The outcome was written in stone from the get and everyone could see it. He didnt. really.

No- His disability isnt a sham but was used here , I think, with fucked up intent. I dont want to be a catalyst for fucking up someone life who seriously does not get it.

Theres nothing I can say to him to get through and theres nothing I can say to you guys to show that the perception here is not the reality.

My feelings have been clear from the start. Taking GM over was just giving appleton a life preserver and allowing yourself to drown. I started this with one intention and when james took GM my intention was fucked . Now I know the guy and really like him. He has issues more than most of us do and I think this was all used to manipulate him.

The whole thing is fucked and I dont think he even gets the severity of fucked-ness.

And im in a really bad position. But im going to error on the side of what I know to be true regardless of how any rational person would see things. rationality left the building long ago
 

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James is a very nice guy who truly believes he can do this .It doesnt fucking matter what anyone says about anything- he trying hard as fuck to do this and find a way to make a living and get off disability. He honestly doesnt get what he did here and what it looked like by posting pics of another game since he truly believed nobody would see this as what appeared to be abandoning GM without telling anyone. Since that really wasnt his intent he figured it was all good. He honestly , 100% thinks he can pull off GM and all its promised features . Hes not scamming or lying but really believes this.

This actually makes it worse tho and James needs someone who tells him this isn't reality before he spirals even deeper into the mess he is creating unintentionally. He is no professional MMO dev and he needs - I am really sorry to say this - help, because it seems he is unable to realize this himself.

The Codex isn't help of course, here the reality check is a bit more... blunt
 

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James is a very nice guy who truly believes he can do this .It doesnt fucking matter what anyone says about anything- he trying hard as fuck to do this and find a way to make a living and get off disability. He honestly doesnt get what he did here and what it looked like by posting pics of another game since he truly believed nobody would see this as what appeared to be abandoning GM without telling anyone. Since that really wasnt his intent he figured it was all good. He honestly , 100% thinks he can pull off GM and all its promised features . Hes not scamming or lying but really believes this.

This actually makes it worse tho and James needs someone who tells him this isn't reality before he spirals even deeper into the mess he is creating unintentionally. He is no professional MMO dev and he needs - I am really sorry to say this - help, because it seems he is unable to realize this himself.

The Codex isn't help of course, here the reality check is a bit more... blunt
I know- All these motherfuckers need a reality check. Doesnt help when those surrounding him are delusional about what they can do and what it will entail.

I'm just a stupid penguin. Only diff is that I stand nothing to gain and want nothing from james except for his freindship. My word holds no weight in these matters except that I can see the writing on the wall and dont want this to happen. Ive given my advice to james and to joel and have been privy to their skype meetings (one of the reasons I know where their intentions lie) and I was very blunt this morning and maybe even a bit of a dick but my advice isnt wanted by MMOI. I just hope james can see because right now shits on him.
 

Whiran

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This whole thing is fucking killing me and tbh I wish I never would have started it and if i'd known this was the outcome I never would have done this because shits coming down on the wrong person .
He brought it onto himself by "taking over" the project, making claims that he'd finish it, and then announcing a brand new project that has nothing to do with Greed Monger. If he had focused on Greed Monger and actually managed to produce something then there'd be displays of support and congratulations.

Instead, he appears to be trying to take money from people for nothing while claiming it'll have no impact on Greed Monger other than to "fund" it. Anyone who has any experience with coding projects of any kind will immediately have bullshit alarms going off everywhere.

The more he writes the more he digs a hole for HIMSELF and for his own decisions. For this he has no one to blame but himself.

Personally, I'd suggest that he invest some time in learning at least one programming language properly and put together a real tech demo and get that out. There seem to be enough naive and kind-hearted folk who'd probably toss him a few more dollars to "help" on the project.

At the end of the day he is pretty much self-funded via the government so any extra coin can be used for various other stuff.

He honestly , 100% thinks he can pull off GM and all its promised features . Hes not scamming or lying but really believes this.
If that were true he'd have better progress made on the game and wouldn't be jumping projects so quickly after taking on "full control" of Greed Monger.

Theres nothing I can say to him to get through and theres nothing I can say to you guys to show that the perception here is not the reality.
The perception here has been built around the statements that GM_JamesPro has made himself. He only has himself to blame for any reaction to what he wrote.
 

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This whole thing is fucking killing me and tbh I wish I never would have started it and if i'd known this was the outcome I never would have done this because shits coming down on the wrong person .
He brought it onto himself by "taking over" the project, making claims that he'd finish it, and then announcing a brand new project that has nothing to do with Greed Monger. If he had focused on Greed Monger and actually managed to produce something then there'd be displays of support and congratulations.

Instead, he appears to be trying to take money from people for nothing while claiming it'll have no impact on Greed Monger other than to "fund" it. Anyone who has any experience with coding projects of any kind will immediately have bullshit alarms going off everywhere.

The more he writes the more he digs a hole for HIMSELF and for his own decisions. For this he has no one to blame but himself.

Personally, I'd suggest that he invest some time in learning at least one programming language properly and put together a real tech demo and get that out. There seem to be enough naive and kind-hearted folk who'd probably toss him a few more dollars to "help" on the project.

At the end of the day he is pretty much self-funded via the government so any extra coin can be used for various other stuff.

He honestly , 100% thinks he can pull off GM and all its promised features . Hes not scamming or lying but really believes this.
If that were true he'd have better progress made on the game and wouldn't be jumping projects so quickly after taking on "full control" of Greed Monger.

Theres nothing I can say to him to get through and theres nothing I can say to you guys to show that the perception here is not the reality.
The perception here has been built around the statements that GM_JamesPro has made himself. He only has himself to blame for any reaction to what he wrote.
Look man, what can I say? everything you say here is logical and I cant argue the point. He never should have taken GM and people would have been supportive. he should have tried to get out of the contract during whatever grace period or consulted with an attorney. Alot of shit should have gone down differently .

Yes, "he appears to be trying to take money from people for nothing while claiming it'll have no impact on Greed Monger other than to "fund" it. Anyone who has any experience with coding projects of any kind will immediately have bullshit alarms going off everywhere. " and anyone without even experience in coding could have seen that- But thats what happened and what the real intention here was. Logic be damned. I would 100% support him in scaling down the scope of GM and working on a smaller scale project after he dumps GM- The irony of all this is that he isnt using any GM assets in the new game anyhow (that i'm aware of) and posted about it without understanding the implications. He posted about being on disability without understanding the implications... he does not seethe implications here. Thats my honest opinion.

This is serious shit. over $100k serious shit.

I dont want the guys life destroyed when he doesnt even really understand why. Appleton is one thing. Appletons a big boy with street smarts and full motherfucking knowledge of his actions and choices. This is very different.

So yeah- I dont disagree what you guys and others are saying . Fundamentally, I am in total agreement. Personally however, I dont really think james is culpable or really responsible, nor does he really understand whats starting to build. I get why you guys think how you do and I would as well- Puts me in a tough spot. I'm forced to take a position on a discussion that is unwinnable. I know what I would think without doubt and Iwould be readying pitchforks-

To make matters worse what are his choices right now anyhow? he has a contract and I know for a fact jason would laugh if they tried to sign it back over. Nobody is going to provide any funding and they are operating essentially without capital on an mmo that is promising some amazing features and is in the state its in right now after 3 years.

James is in a rough spot. Did he put himself there? yeah. But blood is going to be taken from the wrong person in this case.

I dont know what to say- I'm not arguing about anything you guys are saying because I would be exactly where you are right now. But i'mnot even if my position lacks logic. Hope that makes sense.
 

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over $100k serious shit.

$150k. There were 1.5x the amount of private Paypal donations.
 

EJoe

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over $100k serious shit.

$150k. There were 1.5x the amount of private Paypal donations.
yeah- I dont know the amount but im sure you are close to accurate. They sold land for a very longtime on the website .


Jason was boasting around. Jason's fucking smart (and see chat dump of expose of 1 MMO vendor as well) because various scam artists were trying to rip him off.

Personally, I would have no dealing with many of the fuck MMO owners on the Unity forums, as they call themselves artists and don't have a fucking portfolio, call themselves coders but don't have any finished games. They tell all fucking lies and Jason was smart enough not to buy into their bullshit.
 

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over $100k serious shit.

$150k. There were 1.5x the amount of private Paypal donations.
yeah- I dont know the amount but im sure you are close to accurate. They sold land for a very longtime on the website .


Jason was boasting around. Jason's fucking smart (and see chat dump of expose of 1 MMO vendor as well) because various scam artists were trying to rip him off.

Personally, I would have no dealing with many of the fuck MMO owners on the Unity forums, as they call themselves artists and don't have a fucking portfolio, call themselves coders but don't have any finished games. They tell all fucking lies and Jason was smart enough not to buy into their bullshit.
Pretty much - Creating an mmorpg for under a million dollars is pretty much impossible even in a basic state-But there are how many 'indies" out there promising amazing features for a tiny budget and having no real experience at all in making actual games. Some great games have come from unity but they have money behind them.

Jason was way ahead of the curve on this one. hell, it was pretty brilliant in a sociopathic kind of way.

Yeah- the whole "indie mmo" dev thing is filled with scammers and opportunist right now and after all the crowdfunding and money changing hands there are no completed projects that im aware of. Selling hype, talk and screenshots pretty much. The sad thing is that when a valid project comes along like Shards Online it has trouble getting funding because it has an honest team selling reality and not hype.
 

DarKPenguiN

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can someone post a tl;dr version i ain't reading 7 pages and i don't wanna miss on the drama

Dude (appleton) makes a kickstarter and runs away with the money. Appleton gets a dupe (james proctor) to agree to work for free on this game for some Cleveland Mark Blakemorish levels of pay ala Stones of Arnhem and take the full force of shit from unhappy kickstarter backers.

DarkPatriot Makes a thread shitting on Appleton and James Proctor.. James Proctor says fuck this shit.. I'm working for free on this and I'm tired of being a beta fagget and stops coding the kickstarter mmo because of this thread.

Chat logs of legal threats from Appleton's neckbeard gloryhole lawyer are currently being posted.

wait.... what?
Flunk meant me Patriot. Although I am a rather patriotic penguin.
 

Intrigued007

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Sorry if my comments about James offend you, DarKPenguiN. However, he has now taken responsibility to fulfill promises made to backers. Within just a few short weeks, he has already proven that none of the previous problems delivering the game were due to Jason Appleton. He still keeps the backers in the dark, and has already moved onto a new side project without reaching any sort of completion for the previous promises he made to Greed Monger. A side project which consists only of asset store features, and has already been "claimed" by other developers as being a zombie survival game.

I'm sure people who paid into Greed Monger would have some sort of personal legal recourse against James Proctor, since he is not the one solely responsible for the project and fulfilling the laundry list of promises, features, and rewards the kickstarter originally claimed. Honestly, they should seek recourse, if nothing else, just to send a message to other scam artists from kickstarter. Even if they get nothing out of it for years, it would prevent James Proctor from continuing to scam people, as he's already seeking funding for another new project.
 

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Sorry if my comments about James offend you, DarKPenguiN. However, he has now taken responsibility to fulfill promises made to backers. Within just a few short weeks, he has already proven that none of the previous problems delivering the game were due to Jason Appleton. He still keeps the backers in the dark, and has already moved onto a new side project without reaching any sort of completion for the previous promises he made to Greed Monger. A side project which consists only of asset store features, and has already been "claimed" by other developers as being a zombie survival game.

I'm sure people who paid into Greed Monger would have some sort of personal legal recourse against James Proctor, since he is not the one solely responsible for the project and fulfilling the laundry list of promises, features, and rewards the kickstarter originally claimed. Honestly, they should seek recourse, if nothing else, just to send a message to other scam artists from kickstarter. Even if they get nothing out of it for years, it would prevent James Proctor from continuing to scam people, as he's already seeking funding for another new project.
Nah man, I fully understand your comments.

This isnt really a matter of my being offended or even disagreeing. I totally get it.

I would be hammering these guys if I werent in the position I'm in and havnt gotten to know james like I have. I'm coming at this from an angle of what I know due my personal feelings and I dont want see a shitstorm that james is caught up in and honestly think its unfair. But I understand where you guys are coming from as well based on what the perception is and even the facts.

No offense at all. I know I would be totally with you guys and probably worse if I was just reading threads and looking at the base facts. I get there isnt really anything I can say anyhow. It is what it is. I'm cool with everyone for the most part even when we disagree and I think their position is stupid. In this case I would think my position is stupid so I totally understand.
 

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I have something interesting I just found thats a wee bit off topic but kind of not- Plus it gives me a chance to pimp a new website that I very much like and want to see more support for.

'The problem, as the games press would lead you to believe, is that mere mortals like you and I just don’t know how much game development costs. Which is all well and good, but it would be nice if there were people out there, who could possibly do some… what’s the word I’m looking for…journalism… and find these things out! In the process, these people—let’s call them “journalists”—could illuminate their respective audiences as to just how much a game costs to make these days. Right now, gamers are not “allowed” to complain about maybe being hoodwinked because they don’t readily know how game development works.

But it’s more problematic when you look at the math of it all. If a game developer asks for a certain amount of money—for example, $4,000—but then go on to receive say $4 to $5 million, why are they still delivering late, broken or mucked up games?'
http://www.reaxxion.com/9189/why-ja...re-using-crowdfunding-better-than-anyone-else

If you guys havnt hit up reaxxion you should. http://www.reaxxion.com/ still a bit new and rough but I like it so I shall pimp it. And anyone with a Discus account should link the codex thread since I like to also pimp the codex but dont have one.
 

GM_JamesPro

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Hello Greed Monger Community!
A few weeks back when I left GM and then Jason signed everything over to Joel and My self we took over based on the promise of Guaranteed funding through to launch from an out side investor. Once we stepped into ownership of GM that out side investor bailed on us and we were left with no funding. We made the choice to try and develop a smaller scale game that we could get released in a much shorter time and use the funds generated to fund GM. Since those plans were leaked we have dealt with nothing but flack for it from a bunch of people. So we are faced with some choices to make. We are unable to get GM built with out funding and we are unable to get funding from developing another smaller scale game with out taking heat for doing so. Joel and My self decided to give everything back to Jason and allow him to get GM developed using his Investors he told us he had. He is refusing to take GM back from us. Therefore with no means of funding and Jason refusing to take GM back from us we are forced to admit defeat and Close GM down. The last 3 years were a great learning experience for me. I've learned a number of things about working in the Game Development Industry that I wouldn't have learned else where. This community has been great and it's been an honor working with you guys. MMOI will be back at some point and you guys will NOT be forgotten by us that is a Promise we made when I left the GM and it's a Promise I intend on fulfilling. I'm sorry things have had to end this way and will do everything in our power to make things right in the future.

http://www.greedmonger.com/forum/showthread.php?2078-Shutting-down-Greed-Monger&p=30121#post30121
 

DarKPenguiN

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Well, the wife and I have dinner plans this evening and she will be saddened to learn we have to go somewhere with wifi and im bringing my tablet. his means that on one hand I can avoid overpriced and crazy ethnic food places but on the other hand I might end up sleeping on the couch after taking her to mcdonalds and ignoring her while i refresh my tablet.

My life is too complicated.
 

Intrigued007

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Guess you need to find a way to refund your backers for the $100,000+ they spent to back your game. According the the Kickstarter policy, you are required to, in the event you are unable to complete your original promises.

  • Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill.
  • Project Creators may cancel or refund a Backer’s pledge at any time and for any reason, and if they do so, are not required to fulfill the reward.
 

InnitBruv

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Guess you need to find a way to refund your backers for the $100,000+ they spent to back your game. According the the Kickstarter policy, you are required to, in the event you are unable to complete your original promises.

Actually he does not need. No one is gonna take him or Jason to court and Kickstarter won't do anything about it. Just watch and see...

That is why Kickstarter changed the terms. The dumb people who pledged and supported this "game" are shit out of luck, plain and simple.
 

EJoe

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James:

Give up that fucking MMO this, fucking MMO that, next fucking MMO project thoughts in your head. It's messing with your ability to think straight.


You have no idea what actual game production entails....

There is no pre-production for Greed Monger -

There is no concept art, or lack of it. I haven't seen any new housing concepts, no terrain concepts, no character concepts.

There is no level design concepts, or lack of it. Either that, or just some fool buying assets on the asset store and drag, drop, drag-drop into Unity and then saying here's a fucking MMO and 3 more months it's ready!

There is no UI artist or lack of it. The original artist who made your original greed monger UI slipped away. I wouldn't even put that shit on my portfolio if I were him.

There are no modellers to make custom UMA add-ons. The models were all store-brought assets and mostly garbage assets you can't or won't use.


There is no MMO UI framework. I'm talking big iron UI kits, like Scaleform MMO kit and Klik framework - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4skDLLf_E

There is no MMO controller server, which represents terrain (without using Unity on server) and all players inside the terrain and models within it, simulate physics, colliders, read/write data to database and echo it to all players.
For this reason, you are doing all fuck-work because all publicly known MMO servers (you can buy with sources) used by big companies uses Mesh terrains for the ground, while you show all your demos using Unity terrain.

Your own MMO Framework has no mailbox command queue (other than Lidgren's own default queue) for MMO commands, SQL cache for MMO world objects, client cache for MMO items, no spell cache, inventory cache.

There is no patch server, update server so when game starts, it starts to check latest updates and stream down new items before game starts...

There is no database of spells, not even very basic membership list linked to VBulletin or some other ASP.NET or PHP page for customers to login to, to check their character list outside game, times when they last logged in and change password. If you are smart, you can use VBulletin membership system to login and enable 2FA on VBulletin.


For all of what I state above, James, you are very far away from your original goal. If you continue your own delusion of making a MMO, perhaps you can come back and refer to the list that I have made for you.


You should give it up... Go make a flappy bird clone, mini-tetris clone, pong clone and work your way upwards.

Your programming sucks, your level design sucks, your UI work sucks, you are so anti-social that you do not work with other developers and artists and by keep on doing MMOs, you lose opportunities to work with others.



(Saw worthy material -- ) You certainly don't know me, but I certainly know you. I want to play a game... for far too long, you have been living in an imaginary MMO world day in and day out. To survive this trap, you must think outside the MMO, a MMO which is slowly becoming smaller and smaller...

Will you be able to walk away untested?
 
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