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HITMAN, the new episodic Hitman - GOTY Edition

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Didn't wanna pay to renew the license.

Nothing to do with it. Denuvo is cracked, so why bother with it anymore?
Well you guys seem to take great pleasure in fucking your fans in the ass. Why stop now? It's already been 1 full year without lube.
 

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Didn't wanna pay to renew the license.

Nothing to do with it. Denuvo is cracked, so why bother with it anymore?
Well you guys seem to take great pleasure in fucking your fans in the ass. Why stop now? It's already been 1 full year without lube.

Err ok. So removing Denuvo is fucking you in the ass. Just for you I will turn it on again. Weirdo!
Turn up the Denuvo baby.
Just remove the always online whenever you want to stop loving me.
 

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Didn't wanna pay to renew the license.

Nothing to do with it. Denuvo is cracked, so why bother with it anymore?
Well you guys seem to take great pleasure in fucking your fans in the ass. Why stop now? It's already been 1 full year without lube.

Err ok. So removing Denuvo is fucking you in the ass. Just for you I will turn it on again. Weirdo!
Turn up the Denuvo baby.
Just remove the always online whenever you want to stop loving me.

How can I stop loving you?

:martini:
 

Sentinel

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Didn't wanna pay to renew the license.

Nothing to do with it. Denuvo is cracked, so why bother with it anymore?
Well you guys seem to take great pleasure in fucking your fans in the ass. Why stop now? It's already been 1 full year without lube.

Err ok. So removing Denuvo is fucking you in the ass. Just for you I will turn it on again. Weirdo!
Turn up the Denuvo baby.
Just remove the always online whenever you want to stop loving me.

How can I stop loving you?

:martini:
Will you still love me if I refuse to buy Season 2 and pirate it instead?
 

ColonelTeacup

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Episodic games are, have been, and will always be shit. The only release people pay attention to is the initial release and it only hurts when you release one/sixth of a game because people are almost certainly going to give you a mediocre review. After that whatever you do in terms of later 'episodes' will either be mostly ignored by the major gaming 'press' or viewed from the standpoint of 'well, let's see if they've made up for their lackluster original release.' Once the full season is released the only sales you're getting are from 50% off or more steep discounts.

I do recall Hitman's episode releases getting a good amount of (positive) press attention though. I posted some of it in this thread so you can see for yourself. The question is more whether consumers paid attention to the press.
Depression quest got a lot of positive press too.
 

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Will you still love me if I refuse to buy Season 2 and pirate it instead?

What dilemma, option 1: we remove the always on-line requirement and the million of people currently playing the pirated off-line mode (yes we know who you are) can enjoy the full game and will not be enticed to buy the game. or Option 2: We keep on-line DRM. Keep selling copies of the game, survive as a company and make updates. Tough, tough decision. I so much want to love you.

But seriously, on-line DRM might suck, but it is the only really protection there is these days against piracy these days. On PC, Denuvo worked for a while, but doesn't anymore.
 

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PowerTorment , when are you guys planning to announce the location of the Season 2 first mission?
My personal favorites would be Barcelona, Moscow, St. Petersburg...
 

Dzupakazul

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An in-flight assassination sounds like it would be a vignette more than a proper level; how big can a plane get? How many interesting branches would it have?

And how would you escape the level? Parachute from a passenger jet? Click on your assigned seat and blend in as a regular passenger - particularly effective if you got rid of the body so that it isn't found until you land? Maybe, rather, you could have the level start on the airport and you could choose to ambush your target before the flight.

Some of the Hitman: Contracts levels, in particular, did that - a roaming target would be enjoying leisure at some location, and change it from time to time, be it a toilet break, a sauna, or casino. The dentist in Traditions of the Trade, Fritz Fuchs, was like that - the problem was that he didn't rotate between locations particularly often. A savvy player who already knew the level, in order to perform a more interesting assassination than the tried-and-true thermal bath/sauna ambush, would have to pad his time and wait for more than 10 minutes just for the target to consider moving from his place. Hitman levels aren't, generally, as sprawling as Thief levels; 10 minutes for a level is a very generous time for a single clear, even if you go into a mission blind. There was also Deadly Cargo, a level which is broken up into a few timeline segments, and you can even speed up triggering them if you know how to, though it's not particularly obvious - the target meets up with a man who trades him a nuke (if you kill the man, the timeline skips ahead), then the SWAT team who caught whiff of the trade assaults the ship (if you assume a SWAT member disguise, you speed up the timeline), the target threatens to detonate the nuke (if he dies while the bomb is armed, he detonates the bomb in his death throes), a helicopter shows up for his extraction (you can take it instead, and you can even usurp him and walk plain in the face of the SWAT members with your detonator).

Maybe if you could start off at an airport and have a bit of a timeline where you have an early window of opportunity to kill the target before he boards a flight, an opportunity to join him in-flight, timing your kill to be unseen before you leave the flight at the next stop, or maybe straight up dumping the body off of a plane.

About the only unfortunate implication I could see is players choosing to mine a plane and then blow it up, kiling everyone onboard - sounds a little sensitive. Given how ICA tends to run cleanup crews, Diana would probably be fairly scornful in the post-mortem commentary. Also, 47 is, generally, not a terrorist; I think I even saw a statement a while ago that said so. So, in order to prevent that from being an avenue (which, frankly, isn't particularly interesting, either), you could have this be some sort of an Air Force One movie situation; the ICA catches whiff of some renegade operation by a rival organization (Lord knows we've had like three of those in the lore already) and installs their agent to snuff out the candle because important people are on the plane. You maneuver the plane, either installed in as a terrorist or, alternately, in a "hostage" or "pilot" outfit (47 *can* pilot a plane) and quietly remove everyone while rescuing not-Harrison Ford. And if you get found out, important hostages will be put in danger, kinda like A Murder of Crows.

(I wrote a wall of text being skeptical of this one particular idea, and then it got me thinking. Fun exercise.)
 

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Will you still love me if I refuse to buy Season 2 and pirate it instead?

What dilemma, option 1: we remove the always on-line requirement and the million of people currently playing the pirated off-line mode (yes we know who you are) can enjoy the full game and will not be enticed to buy the game. or Option 2: We keep on-line DRM. Keep selling copies of the game, survive as a company and make updates. Tough, tough decision. I so much want to love you.

But seriously, on-line DRM might suck, but it is the only really protection there is these days against piracy these days. On PC, Denuvo worked for a while, but doesn't anymore.
Yeah dude, Witcher 3 drove CDPR to bankrupcy. Always online and treating your customers like criminal garbage is the way to go!
 

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An in-flight assassination is a very cool idea. I like these huge levels you can wander around for years, but trying to make an opportunity in a sardine can sounds like a great change of pace in gameplay (and a profound challenge in level design. Up to it IO?)
 

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I just played through the first level of one of my favorite stealth games ever - Splinter Cell Chaos Theory. Two things felt very impressive - how the mousewheel controls the speed at which I can sneak/walk and this affects the amount of noise I am making, and how I can have a switch in the sound options for "Use native languages". Just saying ;)
 

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I know the whole multi-mission "epic" to kill one guy isn't very popular nowadays in Hitman but it'd be nice to have one of those again, even just a two-parter would be nice.
 

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I'd like hitman type of stealth be adapted in new ip, but keep hitman grounded and semi realistic like it always has.

I mean most stealth games involve you to lurk in shadows instead of socially invinsible like hitman. Surprise none actuallyy copied the formula.

There are few example like dishonored with lady boyle's mansion but thats all. Ican think of
 
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Surprise none actuallyy copied the formula.

There are few example like dishonored with lady boyle's mansion but thats all. Ican think of

Well Death to Spies did this, just it wasn't as advanced.


As for locations..

They've yet to do an Airport and an Airliner.
A cargo ship, oil rig?
Foreign production facility, mines.
Some high tech facilities [Particle accelerators-Nuclear Plants-etc].
They could do different political places, congress, a court, presidential palaces, city halls.
A university.
A sports event, horse racing?
Has 47 been to a prison yet?
Infiltrate a cult?
 
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HoboForEternity

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I mean most stealth games involve you to lurk in shadows instead of socially invisible like hitman. Surprise none actuallyy copied the formula.
Assassins Creed pretty much took this formula without the disguises and mechanics
yeH, it is like taking a pizza, take away tje toppings, take away the sauce, take away the cheese, take away the middle and sell the crust and say it is a pizza
 

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