How do YOU pirate?

[spekkio]

So you get in a situation where pirates have large amounts of hdd space filled with games they will never play

Bullshit, I still have ~160 GB on my "PC Games" partition:

I also keep removing games from my collection all the time, after testing and not liking them (recently: both 3D Castlevanias, Derpsiders 1-2 and some more newshit I already forgot about).
As for buying, I only buy shit I played to completion (which means I liked it), as long as it's over 50% discounted.

 

[Damned Registrations]

I generally pirate all sorts of crap and then spend money on the things I thought deserved/needed it the most. I basically stopped thinking of buying games as anything other than a donation to the devs/publisher/distributor behind a game. And no way in hell am I going to spend hundreds of dollars a month on shit games to find the good ones, fuck that. Sometimes I purchase stuff outright if the devs already made some stuff I liked before or the game is a rare genre or something. Also more likely to spend on stuff that's a good value. I'd rather give money to two devs selling good games for 30$ than one dev selling a game of the same quality for 60$.

Morally it's a non-issue in my mind. You wouldn't charge someone money for quoting you or admiring your property without touching it, and that's pretty much the same level of 'theft' going on.

 

[buru5]

Morally it's a non-issue in my mind. You wouldn't charge someone money for quoting you or admiring your property without touching it, and that's pretty much the same level of 'theft' going on.

No, it's not at all. Copyright laws disagree with you. Piracy takes a sale away from the creator, which is equivalent to stealing a bottle of wine from a grocery store. Sneaking into a movie showing at a theater without paying is considered stealing for the same reason. "Admiring your property without touching it", really? Just because you can't touch a game you pirated from proxybay doesn't mean you didn't steal from the creator, your analogy fails in this example because touching it would be the same as playing it when it comes to video games - because that's the purpose of a video game, playing it. When you're using the game the way it's intended but didn't obtain it legally, that's stealing.

Rate this retarded all you want, but I've yet to see an argument that makes piracy morally acceptable when you don't actually own the game yourself.

 

[Night Goat]

People who make excuses for piracy are cowards who are afraid to go against a set of rules they didn't make but feel compelled to live by. Piracy is stealing, but there's no reason not to steal if you can get away with it and don't care about the people you're stealing from. Morality is for cucks, the more you have the less good it does you.

 

[buru5]

Morality is for cucks, the more you have the less good it does you.

Except when you wind up in jail because you have none. Unless you consider assrape a boon.

 

[oneself]

Exactly morality is a social construct.

 

[Zenith]

I only pirate games I'll never play from the studios I hate so that they lose money from lost potential sales. That's how it works, right?

Also occasionally I need a new alarm sound, so I dig up the worst keygen music I can find.

 

[buru5]

Exactly morality is a social construct.

Ah, the classic "x is a social construction". Edgelord 101.

This is a meaningless distinction. The fact that something is a social construct doesn't eliminate consequences or make that something unimportant. There's no value to actually stating the obvious. Now if you can come up with an actual argument for how piracy isn't theft, I'd love to hear it.

 

[oneself]

Exactly morality is a social construct.

Ah, the classic "x is a social construction". Edgelord 101.

This is a meaningless distinction. The fact that something is a social construct doesn't eliminate consequences or make that something unimportant. There's no value to actually stating the obvious. Now if you can come up with an actual argument for how piracy isn't theft, I'd love to hear it.

It is, but there is no imperative for you to act in the right way. Is/ought gap etc.

 

[buru5]

Exactly morality is a social construct.

Ah, the classic "x is a social construction". Edgelord 101.

This is a meaningless distinction. The fact that something is a social construct doesn't eliminate consequences or make that something unimportant. There's no value to actually stating the obvious. Now if you can come up with an actual argument for how piracy isn't theft, I'd love to hear it.

It is, but there is no imperative for you to act in the right way. Is/ought gap etc.

Would you steal from a retail store? If not, why not?

In most cases, it's imperative to follow societal morality to avoid negative consequences, now the chance of getting in legal trouble over pirating GTAV is incredible low, yes, but that's beside the point. Potentially it would be incredibly easy to get away with mugging someone in a dark alley at night (wear a mask, etc), taking all their cash and using it for booze, but most people aren't doing that. I wonder why.

The line of logic you're using promotes degeneracy, why not mug someone in a dark alley at night? Why not steal someone's identity and use it to take out a loan or empty their bank account? They'll probably get reimbursed anyways.

 

[oneself]

Exactly morality is a social construct.

Ah, the classic "x is a social construction". Edgelord 101.

This is a meaningless distinction. The fact that something is a social construct doesn't eliminate consequences or make that something unimportant. There's no value to actually stating the obvious. Now if you can come up with an actual argument for how piracy isn't theft, I'd love to hear it.

It is, but there is no imperative for you to act in the right way. Is/ought gap etc.

Would you steal from a retail store? If not, why not?

In most cases, it's imperative to follow societal morality to avoid negative consequences, now the chance of getting in legal trouble over pirating GTAV is incredible low, yes, but that's beside the point. Potentially it would be incredibly easy to get away with mugging someone in a dark alley at night (wear a mask, etc), taking all their cash and using it for booze, but most people aren't doing that. I wonder why.

The line of logic you're using promotes degeneracy, why not mug someone in a dark alley at night? Why not steal someone's identity and use it to take out a loan or empty their bank account? They'll probably get reimbursed anyways.

Because the risk isn't worth the reward? Because the social repercussions are not worth it? You don't need morality to justify your actions. Sociopaths can navigate society seamlessly based on value evaluations just fine.

 

[buru5]

Except if morality is a social construct and not hardwired into anyone then everyone could technically be considered a sociopath or alternatively have their own moral code unique to themselves if I'm understanding you correctly. If a sociopath follows the letter of the law due to societal norms and consequences, then morality is playing a part in their mindset and influencing their decisions (which is all the matters in the long run). Most psychologists agree that "sociopaths" follow their own "code", but also not much is known about the exact nature of a sociopath to begin with so it's kind of a non-point to bring up. Armchair psychology aside, the original point was that piracy was theft and we seem to agree on that.

 

[Hoaxmetal]

You wouldn't steal a bottle of wine from a grocery store

Nigga I'd steal a bus if I'd know I could get away with it.

 

[oneself]

Except if morality is a social construct and not hardwired into anyone then everyone could technically be considered a sociopath or alternatively have their own moral code unique to themselves if I'm understanding you correctly. If a sociopath follows the letter of the law due to societal norms and consequences, then morality is playing a part in their mindset and influencing their decisions (which is all the matters in the long run). Most psychologists agree that "sociopaths" follow their own "code", but also not much is known about the exact nature of a sociopath to begin with so it's kind of a non-point to bring up. Armchair psychology aside, the original point was that piracy was theft and we seem to agree on that.

Sure, moral relativism. I can agree with that.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Legality != morality. I don't need an excuse for piracy the same way I don't need an excuse to break traffic laws when nobody is in the way anyways. If everyone in the world ran every red light when nobody was in an opposing lane, it would make no difference anyways; so it is with piracy. I spend more money on the games industry than you do, to argue that I'm harming it by not spending more is ludicrous.

You wouldn't break the speed limit on an empty highway, would you? You wouldn't lie on your resume, would you? You wouldn't buy something at a garage sale without paying sales tax, would you? You wouldn't sell something at that garage sale without paying the income tax, would you?

Yes, yes you fucking would, and all of those things are more serious crimes with more potential to cause real harm than stealing imaginary 'sales' that couldn't possibly exist.

 

[Vorark]

Meh, these threads always devolve into morality sermons.

 

[buru5]

Legality != morality. I don't need an excuse for piracy the same way I don't need an excuse to break traffic laws when nobody is in the way anyways. If everyone in the world ran every red light when nobody was in an opposing lane, it would make no difference anyways; so it is with piracy. I spend more money on the games industry than you do, to argue that I'm harming it by not spending more is ludicrous.

You wouldn't break the speed limit on an empty highway, would you? You wouldn't lie on your resume, would you? You wouldn't buy something at a garage sale without paying sales tax, would you? You wouldn't sell something at that garage sale without paying the income tax, would you?

Yes, yes you fucking would, and all of those things are more serious crimes with more potential to cause real harm than stealing imaginary 'sales' that couldn't possibly exist.

That's a lot of assumptions there.

Regardless, assuming that you assumed correctly, just because one does something that is considered theft does not excuse everything else they are doing that is considered theft. "You do these bad things so this other thing isn't bad!", poor argument.

 

[Excidium II]

I'm stealing those 1s and 0s and u cant stop me m8

 

[Joined on the 4th of July]

The best copy protection is a 60gb install and

That also protects the games from me purchasing them.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Gladly.

 

[Damned Registrations]

That's a lot of assumptions there.

This coming from the guy who assumes a download equals a sale.

 

[Alex]

Why pirate? Why play the very latest games when my backlog is so large and growing larger? By the time the games are fixed, patched etc, they've gone on sale.

If there's a game I'm excited about enough to want to play at launch, then it's probably a game that is worth paying the launch price and supporting the developers.

To be fair, there are several games I was very excited about that, if I had "tried them before buying them", I wouldn't have bought them even with heavy discounts. But yeah, I do think pirating new titles nowadays isn't really much of an issue.

 

[buru5]

That's a lot of assumptions there.

This coming from the guy who assumes a download equals a sale.

Yeah, the same way buying a pack of gum constitutes a sale. If I stole the gum from the rack I would be robbing the store of a sale, aka: stealing, theft, piracy. Pretty simple concept.

Inb4 "gum isn't a download", that's besides the point. The concept of a sale is pretty straight forward. If you pirated a game with no intentions of buying it then you just robbed the dev/seller of a sale.

 

[Damned Registrations]

This is like arguing that free samples are robbing a store of sales. Just because I'm willing to try out some free crackers and cheese doesn't mean I would have bought them if they weren't offered to begin with.

By your logic, if piracy could be prevented, the media industry would be ten times bigger, which is obviously completely inane. The chinks making your t-shirts aren't going to shell out 60$ for a dvd of the latest marvel action flick just because they can't get a bootleg copy. The reality is, people have a budget they can afford to spend on things like TV, movies, music and video games, and they're not going to go over or under that budget significantly because there are already alternatives. If I couldn't pirate games, I wouldn't buy more games, I'd spend less time playing them and probably buy even less due to general lack of interest since I'd be playing shittier games on average.

But maybe lets forget the assumptions and go with what actually happens when people pirate shit:

 

[Santander02]

Ever since Steam became a thing in my 3rd world shithole, I do not pirate anymore.