Metal Gear DISCUSS!!!111!

[Night Goat]

smoregus board

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[tuluse]

tuluse Is there something you find particularly novel about the Human Revolution AI plot vs. original Deus Ex (or e.g. GitS, etc.).

Two things make it novel for me.

One in HR you are actually shown the AI interacting with the world. In DX the sole extent of AI interaction is some emails you get and then an inconsequential conversation. These things are cool, but it doesn't show Bob Page manipulating the whole world like say if the most popular news personality was an AI.

I also like how it plays with expectations. You expect that an AI is either going to be evil or want to be freed and not bother with humanity when you've read as much shitty scifi as I have. Instead the HR AI wants to affect the course of humans and in a positive way. It's nothing ground breaking by any means, but it's a nice little, hey didn't see that one coming.

 

[Gozma]

I mainly wanted to blow up Eliza at the end of DX:HR for being a superpowered lying machine but no such button was offered

 

[Farage]

Ive never played any MG after the first one, are the others any better?
I mean, it was good, just a little too heavy on the cut-scene/dialogue part.
I still have flashes on my head of those eye-less heads shaking up and down pretending they were moving their mouths... jesus christ

 

[omega21]

Regarding theories:

Spoiler

Paz

Quietus

For merely sane people

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[Jick Magger]

Like how in the first game Snake tells Meryl that if she hesitates, "...you're worm food," but the entire series is built upon Big Boss not shooting his mentor in the face on the bridge in MGS3.

To be fair, Big Boss' life would've been alot easier if he had just shot her on that bridge.

I was more referring to other characters like Fortune, who's entire character is based on the assumption that humans can only commit suicide by shooting themselves, and EVA, who's plan to steal the philosopher's legacy was precipitated on the assumption that Snake would trust her because tits, and that absolutely nobody in the support staff Naked Snake was to be apart of, who know every single bit of obscure military trivia and info on flora and fauna of the russian wilderness Snake is in, would know that neither of the NSA codebreakers were women.

 

[Ninjerk]

Two things make it novel for me.

One in HR you are actually shown the AI interacting with the world. In DX the sole extent of AI interaction is some emails you get and then an inconsequential conversation. These things are cool, but it doesn't show Bob Page manipulating the whole world like say if the most popular news personality was an AI.

I also like how it plays with expectations. You expect that an AI is either going to be evil or want to be freed and not bother with humanity when you've read as much shitty scifi as I have. Instead the HR AI wants to affect the course of humans and in a positive way. It's nothing ground breaking by any means, but it's a nice little, hey didn't see that one coming.

When was the last time you played Deus Ex?

 

[crakkie]

I have no idea about anything to do with Metal Gear. I played the first one twenty years ago and I played Revengeance which is, as it was said, one of the greatest games ever made but the story seems like the Power Rangers with cursing and dismemberment. It's embarrassingly bad but I don't care because I'm chopping people buildings in half and Platinum are fucking amazing.

 

[Ivan]

inb4

 

[omega21]

ozelot

you're pretty good

 

[Garryydde]

Solidus did nothing wrong.

 

[Garryydde]

I didn't

 

[Valestein]

I have no idea about anything to do with Metal Gear. I played the first one twenty years ago and I played Revengeance which is, as it was said, one of the greatest games ever made but the story seems like the Power Rangers with cursing and dismemberment. It's embarrassingly bad but I don't care because I'm chopping people buildings in half and Platinum are fucking amazing.

I found Revengeance to have the best "plot" of the franchise since it has the last amount of overexplanation/exposition diarrhea of the 3d games.

Also, Senator Armstrong is so over the top ridiculous that he's awesome.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Ive never played any MG after the first one, are the others any better?
I mean, it was good, just a little too heavy on the cut-scene/dialogue part.
I still have flashes on my head of those eye-less heads shaking up and down pretending they were moving their mouths... jesus christ

The first MGS is actually a pretty interesting example of someone genuinely having make-do with technology available, given how a lot of its cutscenes are vastly superior cinematically (with nothing more than PSX tech available) to what what 99% of studios pump out to this day.

To answer your question, they are still extremely good games, but also even more heavy on cutscenes and diaologue. The ending of MGS4 is movie-length.

 

[DwarvenFood]

So this MSG2 and MSG3 got me interested now, but how to play these games, are they not only MSX releases ? And are we talking about [1999] Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and [2005] Metal Gear Solid, or something else ?

From this series, I only know/played Snake's Revenge on the NES back in the day.

 

[Garryydde]

So this MSG2 and MSG3 got me interested now, but how to play these games, are they not only MSX releases ? And are we talking about [1999] Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and [2005] Metal Gear Solid, or something else ?

From this series, I only know/played Snake's Revenge on the NES back in the day.

Metal Gear 1 and 2 are MSX releases. Metal Gear Solid is a PS1 title, MGS2 is on PS2, Xbox and a really bad PC port, MGS3 is on PS2 and MGS4 is on PS3. There's also the HD Collection with 2, 3 and Peace Walker on PS3 and 360

In the Subsistence version of MGS3 there are playable versions of Metal Gear 1 and 2.

You can emulate them all except for MGS4.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

MGS 1 also has a PC port.

From this series, I only know/played Snake's Revenge on the NES back in the day.

Which was a sequel exclusively for the NES, and is totally non-canon, and had no hideo kojima involvement.

 

[Black]

Weeb shit by a failed movie director wannabe.

 

[Volrath]

Only the uneven MGS games are good. With 3 being the best.

 

[Diablo169]

Used to have lengthy in depth discussions about the plot of Metal Gear Solid with my school friends. Then we went to college and MGS2 came out......



Silly plot aside they have consistent good game-play.

 

[omega21]

I used to think Kojima was shit, then I went back and had a look at Snatcher and Policenauts.

 

[Valestein]

MGS 1 also has a PC port.



Which was a sequel exclusively for the NES, and is totally non-canon, and had no hideo kojima involvement.

The actual sequel to MG1, MG2: Solid Snake is top notch. It's like a "Solid" game but in 2D.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

I've got MGS1 and MGS4, haven't completed either. Barely scratched the surface on either. MGS1 is very difficult to play because of the camera and controls.

I have just finished MGS5: Ground Zeros and really liked it. Felt like Splinter Cell but MORE EPIC!. The last good Splinter Cell game was Chaos Theory, and with the exception of Dishonored there are not many good stealth games for the PC so I'm happy they've decided to make MGS5 for the PC. The port of Ground Zeros ran smooth and looked pretty nice, so I might get into this series after all.

 

[Garryydde]

The subtitles are in the wrong language but this conversation is still great.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

I the ones left for me to play are portable ops, peace walker, mgs4 and ground zeroes.

I've only played them a little, but I intend to play in chronological order, leaving mgs4 to the end.

The last one I played to completion was MGS3.

The problem is that to play these games, I must get in the mood to accept watching long cutscenes/dialogues.