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New Codex top 100 PC RPGs results thread

Art thou content?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 40 72.7%

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Let's have it 2020. There's still alot of rpg:s coming up

The results will prob be early 2018ish I guess. There are plenty of ways new rpgs could be added in the future if need be, but lets not even bother thinking about that yet!
 
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2001 has produced a good many games of note, matching 2002 for quantity, meaning that after only four years worth of polls we're just about a quarter of the way there!
 
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2005, unsurprisingly, delivered zero games to even qualify for round 2 of the process. A couple of games nearly made it and could be looked at again in the unlikely event of needing more games, but I see little chance of that.
 

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Are you basing these results on the amount of people who played the game?
 
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Are you basing these results on the amount of people who played the game?

Phase one of the process = how many have played it.

Phase two = games that have enough votes qualify to be voted on or off the list.

I know what you're going to say Rogua, you really liked that game that none of the other monkey brained console addled children played and its criminal that it's left off the top 100 just because no-one has as good taste as you, but this isn't a poll to find out which games Rogua (or any other individual) thinks is a really great game, this is a poll to establish the current will of the codex as an institution. I've no doubt you have a big speech to make about this involving lots of exciting language and I look forward heartily to your inevitable rage :bounce:.
 

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I just don't see a correlation between if a game was played and if it is good. I used to have a tendency to think people were normal minded and of normal intelligence and taste so if everyone was saying x game is great I would check it out. But being duped by stupid people with poor taste doesn't mean the game is good or that someone who played it likes it.

On the flip side a bunch of people hear Blackguards 1, AoD, and Underrail are good games and play them. They hate them because they don't like good. Blackguard 2 listens to why stupid people with no taste don't like their game and make part 2 aiming to make them happy. It turns out the people who didn't like BG1 didn't buy BG2 and the people who liked it did, but hated it because it was no longer a good game because it was made for monkeys are idiots.

Or, look at Legends of Grimrock. It reaches hipster status and tons of people buy it. Most of them realize they don't like it but don't want to not seem hip so go along with the crowd and pretend to love it. LoG 2 comes out and sells like shit because the people who didn't like LoG1 didn't buy it. Same with Banner Saga 1 and 2.

Look at all the hate TToN garnered. Almost all the super esteemed and high brow members of this community tried it and hated it.

I am failing to see how a game being tried is causation for a game being good. If I knew my data was going to be abused like this I would not have stated I tried most of the games I did so the games I think are shit have less votes, and the games I think are good still get my vote. I also think the average child on this site, due to their child mind and need to fit in, will claim they have played games they have not to look cool.

I am failing to understand how you came to this conclusion and why everyone on this site thinks proven scientific polling methods are so passe. Science is never out of style.
 
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You get to say if a game is shit in phase 2 of the poll. It's not solely about number of players. You have to have a threshold lower limit for qualifying otherwise you could have a game with 5 votes topping the poll because those 5 people made the game, or 4 people made the game and one fucker liked it.

As I have said repeatedly to similar complaints, if a game has been out for 25 years, or even 10 years, or 5 years, and it can't amass a decent amount of players - on a specialist site inhabited by people who specialise in playing specialist games - then there is likely a good reason for that. If you know of a game you love, and have loved for 25 or 10 or 5 years, and you're particularly intent on getting that game into the top 100 at some future date, then you've done a pretty poor job of letting other people know about that game, or the developers have done a pretty poor job of appealing to the codex playerbase.

I dunno if you've ever noticed, but you spend 99% of your time bitching about other people's tastes, and only 1% of your time talking about these great games that you love so much. Food for thought there my good shitposter extraordinaire colleague.
 

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You get to say if a game is shit in phase 2 of the poll. It's not solely about number of players. You have to have a threshold lower limit for qualifying otherwise you could have a game with 5 votes topping the poll because those 5 people made the game, or 4 people made the game and one fucker liked it.

As I have said repeatedly to similar complaints, if a game has been out for 25 years, or even 10 years, or 5 years, and it can't amass a decent amount of players - on a specialist site inhabited by people who specialise in playing specialist games - then there is likely a good reason for that. If you know of a game you love, and have loved for 25 or 10 or 5 years, and you're particularly intent on getting that game into the top 100 at some future date, then you've done a pretty poor job of letting other people know about that game, or the developers have done a pretty poor job of appealing to the codex playerbase.

I dunno if you've ever noticed, but you spend 99% of your time bitching about other people's tastes, and only 1% of your time talking about these great games that you love so much. Food for thought there my good shitposter extraordinaire colleague.

If people didn't have shit taste I wouldn't have to complain. The fact this esteemed community looks up to people who love pokemon and jrpgs more than real rpgs speaks volumes. I can't make people adults, smart, or have good taste. I can only point out they are children, dumb, and have shit taste. You have heard the saying, "There is no accounting for poor taste." Have you also heard of Tyranny of the center/masses? Tween girls control what songs are most popular, and books, movies, almost everything. Tween girls have shit taste. So do the tween kids with penises this site is majority made up of.

Bethesda, CD Project, and Bioware are not specialist game makers. They make games for the masses. The popular hipster games like Dark Souls and Undertale are for the masses and not genre specific or specialist games. If my two youngest kids have heard about a game and know all about it from watching youtube it isn't a specialist game for a specialist audience. It is shit for shitheads, kids, and console retards.

Again, science is real and polling is science. Your top 10 list will be as meaningless as the other guy's dungeon crawler "poll." I wish you were clear in all your poll posts that the data collected would be abused in non scientific ways to create a non scientific result. I honesty don't care if the games I know are great rpgs make the list, as them making it will give me slight hope and them not making it validates everything I've been saying for 17+ years. But as a believer in reason, logic, and science I have a duty to tell you your poll does not.
 

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NWN1 with poor chances to even qualify in top 100 does not make me content. For me it's easily a top 10 crpg.
 

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Off-topic but the results on this list from 2008 are interesting (if only because of number of votes, see BaK for example). This is a list published on RPGDot (RPG Watch predecessor).

http://web.archive.org/web/20080226121205/http://www.rpgdot.com:80/index.php?hsaction=10070

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^ Now that list is exactly what I was talking about. If you don't have some kind of barrier to entry via volume of players you end up with ^ a fucking clusterfuck that means nothing to anyone.
 
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A fascinating year was the year 2000. Deus Ex tops the poll and both the IE games poll unsurprisingly strong, but then it's quite a massive drop-off to the remainders, all of which inhabit that realm of codexia entitled "a bit controversial".

Some additional notes:

I was going through my p&p notes on these polls and it seems I've missed out a couple of games which should have been included in this results thread, both Morrowind Tribunal and Fallout Tactics BoS. Neither are strong contenders and will both struggle to qualify, but I feel duty bound to mention that they might get a long-shot so have added them to the respective results lists.

You'll be amazed to know there are currently four leading games, two are currently TIED for first position and two are TIED for second position and the difference between 1st position and 2nd position is currently only ONE point. So please be aware, your one solitary vote anywhere on theses polls can make a dramatic difference to the final result. So even if something appears obvious, don't let that deter you, it really is nail-biting stuff in the backroom spreadsheet.
 
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2006 proved to be an incline over 2005 (not difficult beating zero) but will still struggle to find games that have a guaranteed chance to make the top 100. Even though I've catagorised some games as having a guaranteed place, this assumes that there wont be too many games over 100 qualifying for the top 100. If the number goes too far over 100 then all bets are off for the midway-minus games. I'm personally surprised by how Dark Messiah of M&M was able to get such a respectable score, I might have to look into it properly some time.
 
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1999 proved to be a very strong year with all five qualifiers providing good hearty numbers. While 1999 didn't produce as many especially notable games as other years the contenders it did provide seem to have an extremely strong fanbase here making 1999 one of the most popular years even if it was less voluminous than a good year would suggest, though for those who like a meaty "what is an RPG" debate 1999 also provided some of the most contentious in this regard - maybe there's a link there...? Who knows, now onto 2007 and don't spare the horses!
 
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The steady climb up from the nadir of 2005 continued in 2007 as three more games got added to the potential top 100. While producing the same number of qualifying games as 2006, 2007's proved to be much stronger additions to the codex mindset.
 
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1998 proved to be quite an interesting year. Although it didn't produce a huge list of qualifying games, all of the games that qualified for judgement passed onto the long shortlist in the OP. A first for these polls is Fallout 2's record breaking result of having zero people vote for it to fuck off, making Fallout 2 a game even the most trollish of trolls on this site are reluctant to troll. If that's not note-worthy I don't know what is.
 
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2008 proved to be an interesting year for the polls. While being an incline from both 2005 and 2006 and producing more games that have a good chance of making the list than any year since 2003, the year failed to register one game that the codex could call a top billing contender and, in this one respect, only 2005 was worse. More to look at but nothing hyping the many into any form of unanimity. Which is not surprising as the year gave us three initial entries to brand new series and one tail-ender of a very old and very long running series, both traditionally the harder sells.
 

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People fail to recognize the historical significance of 2008's Storm of Zehir. It was the first official Dungeons & Dragons computer role-playing game to offer full party creation since Temple of Elemental Evil. There was a five year void of utilizing this feature, and biodrones were so confident that the player created party had faded into irrelevancy. However it was after this second expansion to NWN2, that we start to see independent developers designing full party cRPGs (Knights of the Chalice, Swords & Sorcery) and paving the way for future kickstarter projects like Wasteland, or other smaller titles from Grimrock to Might & Magic Legacy X.

The idea of classic player generated parties is not so uncommon now, and it was Storm of Zehir that turned the tide.
 

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Storm of Zehyr got many impossible-to-fix feature designs that prevent players to enjoy the game as it should be. Most notable is the World map that need loading from 90+ to 200+ mini areas (FUCK OFF!) and the mini areas are too small to worth investing in Permanent length spells.

So yeah, in a sense it's underrated. But in conclusion, it deserve its place in full with no argument from anybody.

Might and Magic 8 compared to 7 is like Fallout 2 compared to 1 but a lot more improvement in graphic.
 
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2009 saw a return to codex form as most of the listed games failed to garner any favour, but when one did it performed extremely well with Knights of the Chalice proving to be a strong keeper. The first King's Bounty sequel is, interestingly, the most controversial title since Neverwinter Nights 1.

2010 followed a similar pattern only with the leading game being slightly less popular and the second game game being slightly less controversial.

So these years were an incline in terms of finding strong contenders, but a slight decline in terms of quantity.
 

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