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Paradox games no longer removed from SteamSpy!

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First they remove SteamSpy data, now they made their new WoD fanbase angry. This site http://rp.thesubnet.com/ was a huge wiki with all the WoD systems (old and new), character generation and stuff. CCP didn't lift a finger on it, while Paradox went all CEASE AND DESIST MOTHEFUCKER. This is sad. The site was a HUGE help, especially when introducing new players to the system. Now I know what company I shouldn't support.
 

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Renegen, their investors would have fairly detailed corporate financial statements available.

The layman taking a peek on SteamSpy doesn't qualify for that tag.

RE: the larger issue - no idea why they did it, and that whole 'closely guarded information' angle doesn't really fly. Especially since their data seems positive, rather than negative (i.e. Stellaris has done well, by any measure). Nonetheless, my feelings on this are ambivalent, rather than negative. I'm not one of those people who judges the quality of boxing matches by PPV buys, or the quality of games by the number of owners.
But given the hit nature of the industry, investors having access to sales reports for individual franchises before they are released quarterly by the company is only good information. Plus companies always do all kinds of manipulations, they hide away individual sales and say it's their "best release ever" or they put them all in the same category. Knowing the sales performance of franchises is extremely valuable information when investing in game companies.
 

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Which would mean they're not cheating current existing investors, but are depriving would-be investors of some pertinent information.

So... don't invest? I don't know, man.
 

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What do they have to gain? Why, protecting themselves from having to endlessly explain to potential initial investors why their numbers conflict with Steamspy numbers, and that the company numbers are not lies.

Keep in mind that investors are idiotic herd animals that dump stock when there is a rumor that there is a ghost somewhere nearby that said boo. A significant difference between expected sales and actual sales can greatly influence stock price. And when your sales for individual titles are not huge, the statistical difference from Steamspy's sampling method can be a significant enough percentage difference from reality to affect investor morale.

EA or Ubi have a lot more explaining to do, because their sales numbers don't match at all with SteamSpy - they sell on their own platform, they sell on retail and they sell on console. Yet, they don't seem to care (for now).
 

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EA, Activision, Ubi and all the other titans don't have anything to worry about, because 1) they are established public entities with already built-up stock inertia, 2) their item sales are large enough that Steamspy's large margin of error doesn't affect the big digits at the front of their numbers, 3) their stocks are large, expensive, and established enough to have core investors who couldn't give a rats ass about some fly-by-night internet app.

For Paradox, though, it's going to be different. And I've been at that meeting. Where the idiots come flocking in with print-outs bearing the truff, and the entire meeting gets hijacked while you try to explain how sampling works and what margin of error means. And in the end, the hijacking takes so long that that's the entire meeting. Then the next meeting, there's different people, all carrying the same truff.
 
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First they remove SteamSpy data, now they made their new WoD fanbase angry. This site http://rp.thesubnet.com/ was a huge wiki with all the WoD systems (old and new), character generation and stuff. CCP didn't lift a finger on it, while Paradox went all CEASE AND DESIST MOTHEFUCKER. This is sad. The site was a HUGE help, especially when introducing new players to the system. Now I know what company I shouldn't support.
wow fuck those losers.
 

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Steamspy guy may have removed Paradox games from his site...but that hasn't stopped him from tweeting about their stats.





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That is so wrong in so many levels. It would be nice to know if Paradox threatened them into it or paid a lot to them. It's not good if this becomes a trend: transparency is good, and for example to indie developers Steam Spy is great. Without services like it, it makes it much harder for small developers to do market research.
 

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If Paradox games keep flopping, their Chinese overlords (tencent) will come and enslave all the devs and force them to make ROTK grand strategy games until they starve to death in a camp somewhere.

(good end)
 

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First they remove SteamSpy data, now they made their new WoD fanbase angry. This site http://rp.thesubnet.com/ was a huge wiki with all the WoD systems (old and new), character generation and stuff. CCP didn't lift a finger on it, while Paradox went all CEASE AND DESIST MOTHEFUCKER. This is sad. The site was a HUGE help, especially when introducing new players to the system. Now I know what company I shouldn't support.

And you people were excited for Paradox to get their hands on the franchise hahahaha!
 

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Well if more companies follow then someone else will create SteamDigger and show numbers. SteamSpy works on public data handed by Valve and as far as i know Valve would have to actually block people from looking at people profiles to stop that.

So in other words this will change soon. Either by SteamSpy dude or someone else.
 

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I wonder if this is what motivated to reveal their own True(tm) sales figures: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/press..._Grand_Successes_for_GrandStrategy_Titles.php

Paradox Interactive Announces Grand Successes for Grand Strategy Titles

STOCKHOLM — June 21, 2016 — Paradox Interactive, a publisher and developer of grand strategy games, today announced that multiple titles from their recent catalogue have reached impressive new milestones for worldwide sales. Three games, all created by the publisher’s internal teams at Paradox Development Studio, have enjoyed highly successful launches and ongoing sales in recent weeks, thanks to Paradox’s dedicated community of players and their ongoing, long-term support for each game in their library.

Hearts of Iron IV, Paradox’s recently released World War II-themed grand strategy game, has sold over 200,000 copies worldwide in less than two weeks after its release, making it the publisher’s fastest-selling historical strategy game to date. Stellaris, the developer’s first sci-fi grand strategy title, has now sold over 500,000 copies worldwide in just over a month since its release in early May. Finally, Europa Universalis IV, Paradox’s iconic world-conquest grand strategy game, has now sold over 1 million copies worldwide, not including sales of expansions and other downloadable content (DLC) for the core game.

“PC gaming is thriving, and we're doing incredibly well in a market that is increasingly competitive" said Fredrik Wester, CEO of Paradox Interactive. “Over the course of our company’s lifetime, we have remained dedicated to creating deep and challenging games for players who want experiences that will last for countless hours. The key to these successes – games that not only sell well at launch, but sell sustainably for years to come – is that we continue to provide ongoing support and development, and remain connected to our community to understand what our players want from their time with our games. The PC platform is ideal for keeping our games updated and supported, thanks to our ability to easily share updates and new expansions – and for our players to share their creative mods.”

To celebrate these milestones, Paradox is offering a new musical add-on for Europa Universalis IV to all players for free for a limited time. Starting today and lasting through July 4, 2016, the new DLC “Fredman’s Epistles” can be downloaded from Steam at no charge, adding a collection of traditional Swedish songs from the 18th century to the game’s soundtrack. The songs, arranged from original works by famed Swedish poet and songwriter Carl Michael Bellman, provide an authentic piece of Swedish culture to Europa Universalis IV, perfect for taking on the world as a Scandinavian superpower. Following the limited free release, Fredman’s Epistles will remain available for 1.99$ from digital retailers.

To further celebrate the one million Europa Universalis IV players the developers will host a special stream on June 21st, 15.00-18.00 CEST, where they will play the oldest available version of the game and talk about its’ development.

Watch it at https://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive

For more information about Paradox Interactive and Paradox Development Studio, visitwww.paradoxplaza.com.

 

Perkel

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I think they sell their games outside of steam too.
 

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