I wonder if he doesn't "name names" out of a tinge of fear that he could get sued for libel?
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Popular YouTuber reveals Counter-Strike betting videos were rigged
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I wonder if he doesn't "name names" out of a tinge of fear that he could get sued for libel?
A horse of course
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I think he just wanted to make the video about "the issue" rather than a typical youtube-soap-opera "call out" video.
Why exactly are weapon skins for a video game considered worth thousands of dollars in the first place? Am I just too old to understand this or is it as retarded as I think it is?
A user named cat
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It's even more retarded than you think it is. Current-gen is seriously this fucking stupid.
Just wondered because of the Brits draconian libel laws.
A horse of course
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I thought he abandoned his bong citizenshit.
I understand the basic appeal of skins, you fags want your waifu/raifu to be all pretty and shit...
But the prices, man the prices, like 5$ should be alot for virtual shit... But nah it can go up to 400$ and
gorillions more with external sales.... That shit is retarded from the get go.
But the prices, man the prices, like 5$ should be alot for virtual shit... But nah it can go up to 400$ and
gorillions more with external sales.... That shit is retarded from the get go.
Yeesh
Magister
You're just too old. This is how young people and Millennials find fulfillment, instead of having sex or bright futures. Get the hell off the internet, grampa.
Yes fucking gambling is illegal in most of the U.S. at least. That's why Las Vegas and Atlantic City and the various reservations are so special. Online poker sites and gambling sites and even fantasy sports league sites have been blocked in the U.S. in high profile news items over the past several years.
I seriously do not understand how sites like this can even function, regardless of YouTuber conflicts of interest. Being too lazy to google, I'll assume Valve's decided this is a gray area because they're paying out virtual crap rather than money.
As someone who occasionally watches TB and doesn't get all his news from wherever anybody cares about this particular issue, I sure found this video confusing. To be more clear, Fuck TB for not explaining what the hell he's talking about. You don't want to call out people for doing something wrong? Fine, but then why are you making a fucking video calling out people for what they did wrong? How fucking stupid is that? The video makes absolutely no sense as a general statement, it only makes sense as a tirade against the specific people who specifically did something. You can't both call them out and not call them out. Pick one. Jesus fucking christ.
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http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/07/psisyndicate-and-the-anatomy-of-a-youtube-deal/6733/
He was accommodating enough to provide the emails detailing his deal with SteamLoto. See here.
This first one was the set-up in regards to his October 2015 video. When it comes to June 2016, the website was renovated. Seemingly as a result of Psi’s first deal, SteamLoto wanted to tap the YouTube well again. You can see there was an attempt by Psi to be more transparent.
If you can’t read the text or need a quick transcription, the conversation basically was stated as follows between SteamLoto’s Andrew Pyramov and Lewis PsiSyndicate.
Andrew: Hey. So we have updated our site and there won’t be any complications, that rose up the first time your video had been released. And I was wondering if you could make another video on SteamLoto.
Psi: Ok he’s the idea I’ll propose, if you don’t want to that’s fine, but how about (purely to attract viewers while advertising the sites functionality), you can set up (if you even can) me to “unbox a ruby/sapphire”, but set it up in a way where it’s transparent it was rigged of that makes sense. I don’t keep the knife, blah blah, idk.
If you have a hard time reading the text, a transcription of the conversation is below, where the YouTuber and SteamLoto continue to plot out how to promote the site but make it look organic. Essentially, native advertising through YouTube.
Andrew: Ok. But whats about the video itself? if you don’t get it as a drop, then what are your thoughts on the contents?
Psi: Oh sorry you want to do it the way I said? Ok that works too if you can do that?
Andrew: Well, I thought, that if everything was like the first time, but if you told people, that the video is in fact sponsored, it would work. It’s up to you of course. But I think it’s a good compromise.
Andrew: What if we gave you some other item to unbox, that you would then return? After you upload the video, you get the karambit. Uploading the video to get paid may sound a bit overboard, but we’ve had some rough moments even with the people, we’ve already worked with. So we just want to make sure everything goes well.
Psi: Erm I mean I can unbox X and return those and accept that as a payment or something? I’m not sure, whatever you feel sounds good to be honest! As long as it’s a win for both parties I have no issue with advertising etc, it’s just obviously you can admit the website had issues in the past (which now seem resolved!)
Andrew: You unbox a medusa, accept the trade for the video and all. Then you return it. After a video is up, we send you the karambit. Just tell me if that’s ok. Yes, I admit to having problems in the past but they are, as you’ve already mentioned, resolved. As for any questions that your viewers might have concerning an awp(I’m sure some will), you just tell them you gambled it, sold it, etc. Again, we totally trust you, but these are precautions that we have to take right now, due to the reasons I’ve mentioned earlier.
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Severian Silk
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More like the state has a monopoly on gambling in most places.
Telengard
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- Why do people spend thousands on a single article of clothing, when something sturdy, serviceable, and cheap would do the job of clothing them far better?
- Why do people spend thousands on plastic toys from some old scifi movie? They're just cheap hunks of plastic of no serviceable value.
- Why do people spend thousands on a single old comic? It's just cheap paper stained with some ink. I could do you a reprint on good-quality paper with better ink in a matter of minutes.
Conditional desire is built into humanity, and it makes them do weird things, but especially so when someone like Valve hires a bunch of psychs to exploit it directly.
Translation: There are a billion other horrible things going on in gaming right now, discussions about which TB normally doesn't want to get involved with and thus avoids discussing. But this one is just too horrible to ignore. /translation
His argument could certainly have been more cogently presented. But hey, what youtuber can't you say that about?
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Because GabeN gives out those weapon skins in only 0.01% of all crates. Valve has created this scarcity and gambling addiction.
You shouldn't even be paying attention to WEAPON SKINS while you're trying to shoot YOUR OPPONENT. 
Weapons or armor that give you special abilities? Ok... I can understand that. Paying thousands of dollars for a SKIN. I can't even....
Weapons or armor that give you special abilities? Ok... I can understand that. Paying thousands of dollars for a SKIN. I can't even....
pippin
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You shouldn't even be paying attention to WEAPON SKINS while you're trying to shoot YOUR OPPONENT.
Weapons or armor that give you special abilities? Ok... I can understand that. Paying thousands of dollars for a SKIN. I can't even....
Mine is bigger than yours.
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On some level I could understand it if every skin in the game wasn't FUCK ugly.You shouldn't even be paying attention to WEAPON SKINS while you're trying to shoot YOUR OPPONENT.
Weapons or armor that give you special abilities? Ok... I can understand that. Paying thousands of dollars for a SKIN. I can't even....
As I understand, they're using the pachinko loophole: Valve says it's technically not gambling because they're betting for virtual goods and not money, and said goods can be exchanged between players only via trading or steam funds, which can't be exchanged for real currency legitimately.
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Exposed YouTube star says sorry you didn't realise he owned gambling site he promoted
By Tom Phillips Published 07/07/2016
ORIGINAL STORY 0.30am: One of the YouTube stars who this week were discovered to be promoting a gambling site they in fact owned has issued a brief apology video in an attempt to calm the controversy.
Trevor "TmarTn" Martin's piece to camera, embedded below, is short. It fails to address many of the concerns levied at him and fellow CS:GO Lotto owner Tom "Syndicate" Cassell.
Chief among those concerns - the suggestion that they knowingly mislead viewers by promoting a gambling site they in fact owned, and encouraged others to spend money on it after showcasing themselves apparently winning thousands of dollars worth of items in minutes.
MarTn's defence of himself is that his ownership of CS:GO Lotto was a matter of public record since day one (a fact he at one point himself disputed, claiming he only came on board later).
In short, TmarTn appears to suggest his fans should have researched the company details of a website he himself told viewers he had just stumbled upon, so they could have then discovered he was registered as its president.
"Now, my connection to CS:GO LOtto has been a matter of public record since the company was first organised back in December 2015," TmarTn states. "However, I do feel like I owe you guys an apology. I'm sorry to each and every one of you who feels like this was not made clear enough to you."
It's worth remembering at this point how TmarTn introduced the site to his viewers: "[A friend] has been hitting me up and we found this new site named CS:GO Lotto. I've put a link down in the description, check it out. Anyway, we were betting on it today and I won $69 or something, so it was a pretty small pot but it was the coolest feeling ever! I ended up following them on Twitter and they're now talking to me about potentially doing a skin sponsorship!"
The idea that any viewer could assume TmarTn's ownership from that - or then go researching the company to find out - is unlikely to convince anyone.
TmarTn's apology video continues with a reassurance he is "committed to making sure that my YouTube channel, as well as all of my other businesses, are in compliance with the law", that users under the age of 18 are not supposed to gamble on the site, and that he believes every game played on the site has been "legitimate".
The statement does not address why TmarTn and others promoted the site without disclosing their ownership of and financial ties to the company.
It does not address or apologise for TmarTn pretending to stumble upon the site - rather, it suggests that TmarTn's own viewers could and should have known by themselves.
It does not address video which shows TmarTn logged in under a bot account.
It does not address how his many viewers under the age of 18 are able to log in and gamble by simply ticking a box to say they're 18.
It does not address why TmarTn pulled many of his videos promoting CS:GO Lotto and why they remain offline.
Eurogamer reached out to TmarTn earlier in the week for answers to all of the above.
The only thing the video does say, really, is that TmarTn's fans should not feel like he was trying to deceive them, and that he is now looking forward to getting back to "regularly scheduled content".
I've since spoken with PsiSyndicate, another YouTuber involved in promoting gambling sites without proper disclosure. He has revealed how easy it is for gambling sites to rig results so YouTubers can be seen winning easily - and how they are paid handsomely at the same time.
TmarTn's video statement lies below:
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Is anyone going down for this? Would love to see videos of youtuber-20-somethings crying because they accidentally got in over their heads while thinking they were really clever. Post vids when/if it happens.
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How much for this weapon skin?
Doesn't look like an official steam marketplace weapon skin. Using it is therefore a DMCA violation that Valve is required to litigate against to protect their Steam, Valve, and Counterstrike copyrights.
gaussgunner
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If it doesn't leap out of my hands and shred the enemy's face with its hind claws, I don't want it anyway.
Yeesh
Magister
Of course nobody's going down for this. I don't want to shock you, but wealthy, clean cut, young white guys have traditionally been pretty great at avoiding serious consequences.
How much for this weapon skin?
5000 Gabenbux.
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