I know this is a bit of a necroresponse, but all I did was get a night's sleep and you fuckers spammed the Time Machine thread into lockdown, so... uh ... revolution!
Whatever amount of useful RPG discussion will exist (and I agree there's a lot of fatigue about repeating old arguments), does anyone benefit from having to mine for interesting discussion among hordes of blatant bullshit? If it's a choice between 10 interesting posts a day at the Codex, or 1000 spam posts a day with 10 interesting ones hidden in there somewhere, the Codex should be "dead" and only have the 10 posts.
2) Do you really want to compare the 'Codex to SA? Is that your vision for this site? I'll say it again... the Codex used to be better than that.
That's not the relevant question. The question is: why is there a thread about high school massacre at the RPG Codex?DarkUnderlord said:Those people who "fight back" are still there in conversations about RPGs where it matters (and where most of those dressing down conversations have taken place). In a thread about a high school massacre though? Who really looked at Spacemoose's post and thought he needed dressing down?AnalogKid said:I don't think it's quite that simple. Definitely all this crap isn't about VD. It's about being overrun.DarkUnderlord said:The simple reality is, when Saint left, we lost our authority. There's no-one here to be the Nazi dictator anymore
The Codex always had police: the vicious posters who would shred you and actually make you feel like a dumbfuck.
Precisely my point. Adding a tag isn't serving it's purpose, it's encouraging dumbfuckery because of the mental limitations and attention whoring of the "new breed".DarkUnderlord said:The only issue with that is, take a look at all the people we've dumbfucked... Either way, they're still here and they still post stupid one-liners.
Great question, and also exactly my point. Why do we tolerate them? Because banning was never the Codex way and we were overrun and unable to fight them off through posting. If the worst of the 'codex were people saying stupid things about RPGs, then a dumbfuck tag and laughing at them would be appropriate. When it's devolved into saying stupid things just to get your post count up or for god knows what other reason, it's time to show them the door. You seem to get it. You're not an "agree with me or get out" guy, that's clear from your posts, and I don't think most of the staff are that way either. What I'm saying is: "contribute to the RPG Codex or get out".DarkUnderlord said:If we hate these people so much, why did we even tolerate them in the first place? And is the Codex really going to be a better place if everyone who comes here and argues that Oblivion is a fun game gets banned? Because let's face it, they're the ones who say the really inane, stupid things.
Whatever amount of useful RPG discussion will exist (and I agree there's a lot of fatigue about repeating old arguments), does anyone benefit from having to mine for interesting discussion among hordes of blatant bullshit? If it's a choice between 10 interesting posts a day at the Codex, or 1000 spam posts a day with 10 interesting ones hidden in there somewhere, the Codex should be "dead" and only have the 10 posts.
1) It doesn't serve it's purpose because it's not given to highlight that someone's (repeatedly) a dumbfuck about RPGs. It's given in response to attention-whoring stupidity that should just be eliminated, not rewarded with special status.DarkUnderlord said:Why do we care though? People do the same at SA. Try and fob their ass-head avatar as "I'm cool". If they think it's cool, good for them. For the rest of us, it serves its purpose.AnalogKid said:Now we just give people a 'dumbfuck' tag and they wear it with pride because all their cronies think it's cool.
2) Do you really want to compare the 'Codex to SA? Is that your vision for this site? I'll say it again... the Codex used to be better than that.
I don't pretend to be an expert in fixing the codex, but here's a few ideas for staff to think about:DarkUnderlord said:Here's the problem though, what would you like us to do about it?AnalogKid said:The Codex is too nice. We don't have enough RPG-centric posters who are highly caustic enough to hold back the hordes of the under-consoles. I don't think it's a question of the past vs. the present. I think it's a question of the small vs. the big. When things bloat, they suck. Period.
- - Stop worrying so much about the Codex dying or the traffic being less. Make it small and good and those who are here will be happy. Who gives a fuck if not many folks post here? To paraphrase BrotherNone, is size the Codex's raison d'etre?
- Get rid of GD. Isolating it away from the main page is a very good 2nd choice. Posters that are here for GD shouldn't be here. Posters that are here for RPG discussion and would enjoy some GD on the side, can find it in the "isolated" GD forum.
- DO things, don't talk about doing them, before during or after. Banning? Tagging? Ninja-editing? Retardoing? Just fucking do it and move on. If a discussion is necessary, do it amongst staff behind closed doors and don't give attention-whores more satisfaction.
- Stick to your own words about the Codex not being a democracy. Get rid of the bullshit. It's not for me to decide who is or isn't such. It's for the staff. Set a 60% majority threashold or whatever, and have the staff decide who's balls to cut off. Not individual staff members. I'd say posters should be reviewed by staff every time they're up for a label upgrade. That way the first few posts are closely scrutinized, and if they are viewed by the "elite codex staff" as contributing in whatever way (yes, even lulz, if they're actually funny like Chefe used to be), then their leash gets longer and longer becuase they have more posts between each new label (and review) and can waste some posts getting into a stupid fucking pissing contest like we all sometimes do.