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Piranha Bytes Risen 1 vs Gothic, the eternal debate

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by jaydee2k, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Paul_czgender: ⚧ Savant

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    Let's all agree that Piranha Bytes game's endings are always dogshit without fail and despite that we like them, shall we ?
     
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  2. himmygender: ⚧ Arcane

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    It's been a few pages of arguing which PB games are good and which are shit and I am yet to see any of the G3 Underground step up so I will be the member of our minority to make the obligatory "Gothic 3 isn't that bad" comment:

    Gothic 3 is not that bad and most non-core issue (bugs, excessive lensflare etc) are long gone thanks to the Community Patch. Core-wise, yes, it tried to bite more than it can chew, but they managed to make a game that, when properly patched, is genuinely fun to play. It's completely unfair to place it in the same cesspit as Arcania, Forsaken Gods, Risen 2 & 3. The exploration alone , while not as fulfilling as the one in Gothic 2, makes the game worth playing. I was genuinely surprised to find out how much some people here hate the game, when I always considered it being on par with G1 and only slightly under Gothic 2.

    Frankly, I sometimes think some people hate Gothic 3 so much only because they're massive ponytail fans and couldn't come to terms with the Nameless Hero's bold new choice of haircut.
     
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    I actually took the trouble to mod it out of G2, so yeah.
     
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  4. Gepeugender: ⚧ Savant Patron

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    G3 is a pile of unredeemable garbage.
     
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  5. Paul_czgender: ⚧ Savant

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    I enjoyed G3 but it does have some hard garbage elements. Varant sucks, Nordmar sucks, combat sucks, quest design sucks.

    But Myrtana is fucking beautiful and fun to explore and atmosphere + music are so good I was able to finish the entire game with the canon ending. With some community patch.
     
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  6. T. Reichgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    On Gothic 3 (with community patch, w/e)...

    And that is all there is to it.
     
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  7. Haplogender: ⚧ Learned Patron

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    Exploration isn't rewarding in Gothic 3. Who thought it was a smart idea to make treasure chest content based on a list scaled depending on number of chests opened?
    Plus top treasures are some 2-handers or something - weapons that are useless in Gothic 3 for some reason.
     
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    What is rewarding is the myriad of little quests and how you feel you are a part of a bigger war effort.
     
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    It's satisfying when you reach the opportunity to share Durmin's Gothic 3 retrospective :lol:
     
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  10. PorkyThePaladingender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Since presumably Gothic 3's melee combat sucks posterior, how is mage combat? I am reaching for straws here.
     
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    It's auto aimed BS. Fireballs will follow their target infinitely. It's an easy mode. This is outrageous, since ranged combat requires manual aiming in G3.
     
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  12. PorkyThePaladingender: ⚧ Arcane

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    It was like that in G1/2 as well, no? I did one playtrhough of G2 as a mage, it was way too easy and stupid. I did enjoy the whole monastery part, the sheep and everything, but the combat was terrible, and I enjoyed the melee play-throughs much better. As a mage, I think there was a bug where you could target enemies with spells before they d even see you, so you could get 2-3 fireballs in before they even started running for you.
     
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    I don't know about the magic system in G3 since it's been too long since I last played it (and I never played as a mage, also), but in Gothic 1 and 2 spells can miss their target if it moves even slightly and sometimes they go off for no sensible reason. Also, when the enemy catches you and engage in melee your magic becomes almost useless, since you won't be able to hit it anymore if he's too close (in G1 you cannot cast if you're hit, so there's also that).
     
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    It was, but the ranged combat was auto-aimed as well. It's about inconsistency favorizing one type of combat over other. There's no point in using a bow that requires manual aiming, if you can auto-aim your fireballs.
     
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  15. T. Reichgender: ⚧ Arcane

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    In G1+2, most spells are projectile, meaning that the launched spell must hit the target (any target in its way, really), or it is wasted. Same for bow/xbow.

    Btw, IIRC Durmin also covered the magic combat system in G3. It's as much of a trainwreck as melee combat.
     
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    Well, I had some fun with Gothic 3 melee - with REACH weapons. Meaning scythe, spear, halberd and Krush Tarach (Orc Halberd). I could generally outrange most opponents and keeping them at a distance was kinda refreshing and fun.
     
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    Gothic 3 combat isn't that bad with alternative ai on (or whatever it is called), in general turn all the balancing changes that comes with community patch. Some weapon animations are way too slow, but you can solve that issue by just not using them. The best character is meele-mage hybrid, you don't need any damage dealing spells, tame animal, and bloodlust are great.

    Exploring in Gothic 3 is very good, it is just different, you aren't supposed to go to random place, and expect things to happen, first get clues on where there is something worthwhile to check.
     
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  18. Paul_czgender: ⚧ Savant

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    I remember playing mage in G3, when I got the homing missiles and autoregen mana I was immortal and abandoned the game. Years later I restarted as warrior and that was lot better.
     
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    especially the boars, I bet :) [I liked the game most as an archer...]
     
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    If you are following a path then you aren't exploring, you are following a path ;)
    Exploration means discovering something hidden/not known
     
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  21. jaydee2kgender: ⚧ Learned

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    World was nicely build in Gothic 3. It was handcrafted and you could see it. Compare that to Oblivion...
     
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    Gothic 3 is pure garbage and the expansion was a sick disgusting cash grabbing piece of shite.



     
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  23. jaydee2kgender: ⚧ Learned

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    Don't blame Piranha for the Expansion when it was actually developed by a handfull of Rajesh Koothrappalis.
     
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  24. Sykargender: ⚧ Arcane

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    Where did I blame PB for the expansion? All I commented on was wether Gothic 3 and the expansion were good games or not.
     
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    I don't recall ever being a debate about which one of those two are better. I thought it was obvious that G1 is superior.
     
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