Shadowrun Shadowrun Returns Pre-Release Thread

[ArcturusXIV]

I dunno, but I found the System Shock 2 soundtrack the only one worth listening to, as well as some warm ambient moments in Deus Ex. I am a big fan of INDUSTRIAL musiq in general, so maybe more machinery sounds and use of general tone, bass kept to a general hum, and keyboards on repetitive, darkwave-driven loops...

That is my general vision of Cyberpunk, friend.

 

[Burning Bridges]

They put up a new update,they will add a Linux version if they reach the 1 million after all

Which is mostly a given. I already see them go well past 1 million, and perhaps even 2 million. They are already in the same hunting ground as Fargo. It's up to them now, if they can declare a vision that wins people like me.

But please no more Wow! and top men! videos, we are already getting past that stage.

 

[udm]

Weisman and co. have announced a deluxe, boxed version of Shadowrun Returns. It's $125.

 

[Hobo Elf]

Too expensive. The Wasteland 2 box is only 50 bucks and comes with a cloth map.

 

[Roguey]

Too expensive. The Wasteland 2 box is only 50 bucks and comes with a cloth map.

I think Brother None mentioned that Fargo was actually being too consumer-friendly there (meaning he's likely losing money by setting it that low). Double Fine's box copy was $100. Plus you also have to account for getting the hardcover book from the previous tier.

I'm still going to hold out until like the next-to-last day to see if a cheaper non-deluxe box option shows up of course. :p

 

[Johannes]

He shouldn't be losing money with 50$ boxes, even with postage and shit, but yeah, he might not get more in the end than he would from a straight 15$ backing which doesn't come with extra costs. Even if they do get more money up fron from it.

 

[superdeluxe]

Too expensive. The Wasteland 2 box is only 50 bucks and comes with a cloth map.

Game comes on a custom sr/ks dogtag USB it's pretty sweet

Just hit one million 2nd location here we come

 

[Jaesun]

As well as a Linux version. So now even Melcar can't bitch about it.

 

[mindx2]

Update #6 1.5M goal gets backers an exclusive mission that ties the SNES and Genesis games into this one. Here was my response on Kickstarter:

Here's another vote to allow everyone to get the "exclusive" mission. That's not what Kickstater is about. The goal itself to get the SNES/Genesis tie-in mission is great but don't make it exclusive to us. The physical rewards are cool but the game itself should not be dragged through the mud of "exclusive pre-order" or "DLC" type junk! Make a COMPLETE game for everyone to see what these style games are and hopefully bring on a renaissance of turn-based, single-player, story driven cRPGs!!!

 

[Brayko]

^I think you mean 1.5 mil but yeah sounds good, especially if you played the originals, which I never did, and will never do. I'll just look at it as a bonus mission thanks to new backers.

 

[mindx2]

^I think you mean 1.5 mil but yeah sounds good, especially if you played the originals, which I never did, and will never do. I'll just look at it as a bonus mission thanks to new backers.

oops I had Wasteland 2 on the brain!

I don't like the "exclusive" bit at all. Just feels like a publisher type thing to do.

 

[Alex]

I don't like it either, but I think they are just trying to find a way to say "thank you". Besides, if the runs in this game works as I think they do, having a "mission" tying the console games to this isn't much more than an easter egg.

 

[Brayko]

^I think you mean 1.5 mil but yeah sounds good, especially if you played the originals, which I never did, and will never do. I'll just look at it as a bonus mission thanks to new backers.

oops I had Wasteland 2 on the brain!

I don't like the "exclusive" bit at all. Just feels like a publisher type thing to do.

They've been doing that since the beginning of their Kickstarter, "Exclusive to backers deal!1", yet people haven't been on their ass as much as Fargo, perhaps due to people looking at Wasteland 2 as their personal Second Coming of Christ.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

Funnily enough when it's a good turn-based game I don't care about not having exclusive map content. What are the chances it'll be the best mission ever you are missing out if you don't play it? About as likely as one map in Jagged Alliance 2 having the absolute best combat you have got to go to this location first man

heeey Clockwork Knight

 

[Silva]

So, no one else is worried that this game ends being a linear mission-after-mission campaign with little to no interaction outside of combat ?

 

[DwarvenFood]

There is a turn based tactical game a la JA coming in this day and age, in a wonderful setting, and you are worried >? I'm mostly worried that my wallet cannot handle the incline.

 

[Silva]

Dwarvenfood, Jagged Alliance 1 and 2 had meaningful interaction outside of combat - hiring mercs, managing them (healings, repairing, training ), exploring the map, freedom to piclk missions, making contacts with the locals, etc. The same can be said about Xcom, Fallout: Tactics, etc.- great tactical combat games by itself.

My worry is that this game ends like JA2: Unfinished Business - a series of linear missions with no interaction outside of it. Or worse like consoles "Final Fantasy Tactics" games, consisting of a linear (and boring) story interspaced with combats.

Got the difference ?

 

[JudasIscariot]

Update #6 1.5M goal gets backers an exclusive mission that ties the SNES and Genesis games into this one. Here was my response on Kickstarter:

Here's another vote to allow everyone to get the "exclusive" mission. That's not what Kickstater is about. The goal itself to get the SNES/Genesis tie-in mission is great but don't make it exclusive to us. The physical rewards are cool but the game itself should not be dragged through the mud of "exclusive pre-order" or "DLC" type junk! Make a COMPLETE game for everyone to see what these style games are and hopefully bring on a renaissance of turn-based, single-player, story driven cRPGs!!!

While I do understand the need to make the backers happy, I do not see a "backer exclusive mission" as being fair to those who buy the finished product simply because they couldn't back the game at this time due to factors such as unemployment, bills to pay, or other events beyond their control.

I have no problem with all the backer goodies but making content exclusive is really not a cool thing. For example, the Codex gets a temple in their honor but at least everyone gets to see it not just those Codexians that donated.

Maybe I am just grumpy because I can't support the games I want because of unemployment and that is coloring my judgement.

 

[almondblight]

Silva -

In one of the videos he seems to make it clear that a lot will happen outside of combat. I think it might be the 3rd or 4th one?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Jagged Alliance 2

 

[Jaesun]

So, no one else is worried that this game ends being a linear mission-after-mission campaign with little to no interaction outside of combat ?

If anyone thinks this is going to be the HOLY GRAIL of Shadowrun as a cRPG with incredibly complex stat/skill combat, choice and consequences, non linear, multiple ways of doing things, I think you are completely deluding yourself. I don't even think a single developer there even knows or has even head of such things. Granted the actual writer of the original PnP rule system is the CEO there, I'm not really expecting anything too deep.

I basically am expecting a fun cRPG like romp IN THE FUCKING GREATEST PnP SETTING EVAR! (and perhaps similar to the SNES and Genesis games). And is thankfully free of the fucking moronic influence of Publishers and their retarded Marketing Departments (Only make games THAT SELL to a wide audience! OMG PROFIT! Gotta make the share holders happy!).

Granted if the said they were going to hire Obsidian to co-develop this, then I would empty out my bank account on this project....

 

[Brayko]

^I don't understand how Obsidian could make the game better but yeah, should be well worth the pledge...

 

[Jaesun]

^I don't understand how Obsidian could make the game better but yeah, should be well worth the pledge...

Well Obsidian is a company that understands and has a background in cRPG's. And has a passion to make good cRPG's if they weren't stuck under the shit Publisher model they have to contend with (and have projects Publishers have said they will never fund).

How many cRPG's has Harebrained Schemes made? None come to mind. But some of the really good cRPG's in the past have come from people without that kind of background, so who knows.

I just hope they are doing their homework and getting to know all the expectations from all of the people that adore this setting.

I doubt they would ever visit here. We tend to scare such people away.

 

[Brayko]

In all fairness, Obsidian's track record is iffy at best. We have their best writer MCA working on Wasteland 2, and their own Kickstarter coming up for them to prove that they are more than capable of creating masterpieces on their own without publisher influence. Obsidian working with Hairbrained Schemes to create their (HBS) own game strikes me as rather silly and pointless.

Now, say Harebrained schemes uses the KS money and makes a mediocre game with plenty of room for improvement, yet Obsidian's KS game rocks the house and then some, then I would rejoice at the idea of Obsidian and HBS working together on Kickstarter.

Until then, we really have no proof either company can produce something great or spectacular even on their own, just reasonable doubt.

 

[Jaesun]

In all fairness, Obsidian's track record is iffy at best.

Every single Obsidian game has been made under the Publisher and their Marketing Department model demands. In that they must follow their wishes and then design a game around that. On the whole, I think they have done very well.

Look how BioWare is doing under such an environment.