So, Jaesun, what's a "classic RPG"? (poll)

[J_C]

Where did I say they weren't loyal? I've never played any M&Ms other than World of Xeen, so I wouldn't know.

Sorry, misunderstood than.

 

[Ulminati]

I think DarkUnderlord should just merge everything into two forums: thingies and stuffies

 

[Achilles]

I propose the following subforums:

1. Role-playing games
2. "Role-playing games"

 

[groke]

Is Wizardry 8 loyal to the franchise? Cleve would disagree. If MM6 and 7 are loyal to the heritage, is MM8? What about MM9? What about MM9 with mods? For that matter, are MM3-5 loyal to the first 2? Is TWitcher a "classic" rpg? I'm sure a lot of potatoes think so, and if Morrowind qualifies as "classic" then why not? I'm sure most would agree that Ultima 9 is a betrayal of the franchise, but what about Ultima 8? Ultima 7 is a real-time mess, closer to an adventure game than an RPG, but it's nearly unanimously adored. What about western-developed jRPGs like Anachronox and Septerra Core? Do they go in the jRPG forum along with the Japanese Wizardry's and Etrian Oddyssey? This is the same "what is an RPG" bullshit that ends with everyone rabidly supporting their own personal "flavour" of RPG and never gets anywhere.

The traditional games forum is cool and should stay, though.

 

[Infinitron]

Let's define "classic" as a game belonging to the "Golden Age of RPGs".

Is TWitcher a "classic" rpg? I'm sure a lot of potatoes think so

Not a classic, released in 2007.

and if Morrowind qualifies as "classic" then why not?

Not a classic, released in 2002.

I'm sure most would agree that Ultima 9 is a betrayal of the franchise, but what about Ultima 8? Ultima 7 is a real-time mess, closer to an adventure game than an RPG, but it's nearly unanimously adored.

Ultima 7 and Ultima 8 were released earlier than 1995, so they belong in the classics forum.

 

[Mortmal]

"If it remotely smells Japanese, put it in here"
Really if you dont care of people opinions here , think at least of the rpgcodex "perceived value" if the guys rating it are seeing statment like it will go down the toilet , waaaay under rpgwatch value. I'll speak to your heart , think of the ads, think of the money lost.

Stupid subforum, what is a jrpg ? What is the most common view of them ? An etalon of jrpgs is FF7 , beautiful cinematics, emotionnaly engaging stories , romance eventually, little interaction and pregenerated characters. It seems to me bioware games are a hell lot closer to this than my beloved dark souls.None of the other games posted in genral rpg are anything close of old final fantasy or dragon quest canon.

Now back again to classics , no might and magic is not a coherent and consistent line of games, might and magic 6 is drastically different from 5 , not same world, gameplay completely different , and real time with pause.

 

[Ulminati]

my beloved dark souls.

Problem, weaboo?

 

[commie]

Twitcher series has to be included in the classics as the TWO games won THREE Prestigious RPG Codex GOTY awards.



Also, what if Wastelands 2 ends up being a mix of Wasteland and Fallout 1?? Would that make it a 'classic'?

 

[spekkio]

Heey, since when you're so edgy, Ulm?

 

[Infinitron]

 

[groke]

Is TWitcher a "classic" rpg? I'm sure a lot of potatoes think so

Not a classic, released in 2007.

and if Morrowind qualifies as "classic" then why not?

Not a classic, released in 2002.

I'm sure most would agree that Ultima 9 is a betrayal of the franchise, but what about Ultima 8? Ultima 7 is a real-time mess, closer to an adventure game than an RPG, but it's nearly unanimously adored.

Ultima 7 and Ultima 8 were released earlier than 1995, so they belong in the classics forum.

KotC then? If Morrowind is out, so is Daggerfall (1996, same ARPG shit but with more filler), and if that's the case, why include Arena? How about Vogel's games? How about Vogel's new games? Is Baldur's Gate in the tradition of pre-1995 RPGs? Because it's "truly a Dungeons & Dragons game" maybe?

 

[Ulminati]

Heey, since when you're so edgy, Ulm?

I'm always angry bro, haven't you noticed? I'm also actively participating in RKs weaboo princess/schoolgirl LPs. I'm all for segregating the japcrap into a ghetto though, to keep it from contaminating threads about proper games.

Also, given the quality of the midriff on display in that cosplay pic I believe no further argument is necessary.

 

[Alex_Steel]

Let's define "classic" as a game belonging to the "Golden Age of RPGs".

With this definition, every RPG from that period is a classic and a lot of other classics are not. Why do you want to change the definition of the word 'classic'?
It's like a subtle way of trying to define what an RPG is and we all know how this ends. And it is a reason why we already have 9 pages in this thread.

Anyway, please, do continue.

 

[MMXI]

This is so fucking simple to solve. Just create a "computer RPG" forum and a "console RPG" forum. Multi-platform RPGs that weren't ported to consoles at a much later date can go into the "console RPG" forum, as developing an RPG with consoles in mind dumbs it down to console levels.

This would move most of the New Shit and Jap Shit away from the Prestigious Shit. Then we've got games like Diablo and The Witcher to deal with. Diablo 3 can get bundled into the MMO subforum (which can be renamed to "Online Games" and moved over to Gaming Discussion) as it's online only, while Diablo 1, 2 and The Witcher series can get dumped into General Gaming. Sorted.

This also has the advantage of combining awesome old PC RPGs with newer indie games like Knights of the Chalice and Legend of Grimrock. This works beautifully because Jaesun's arbitrary "classic" era ended just when Knights of the Old Republic came out to fuck up our precious genre. Under these rules, Knights of the Old Republic would be dumped into the "console RPG" forum where it belongs, together with the likes of Mass Effect (this could go in General Gaming), Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2, Alpha Protocol, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas (yeah, fuck you).

There's literally no down side to this. It'll be the resident JRPG lovers who will end up wanting a JRPG specific forum to rid themselves of the Western Decline games, which will be in stark contrast to their opposition to any forum split right now. Win fucking win.

 

[SCO]

I'd prefer a further split into TB & RT, but that is the best way.

Plus we'd be able to compare stats of posts on the 'console' forum. Ohohoh

 

[Forest Dweller]

Subdividing GRPGD is a dumb move, but at least set the division date at the year that CRPG's died (1994).

Awesome bro, you're a true oldfag, let's hear some more statements like the one above so we can bask in your wisdom.

 

[FeelTheRads]

This also has the advantage of combining awesome old PC RPGs with newer indie games like Knights of the Chalice and Legend of Grimrock. This works beautifully because Jaesun's arbitrary "classic" era ended just when Knights of the Old Republic came out to fuck up our precious genre. Under these rules, Knights of the Old Republic would be dumped into the "console RPG" forum where it belongs, together with the likes of Mass Effect (this could go in General Gaming), Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2, Alpha Protocol, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas (yeah, fuck you).

I second this, if only for the delicious butthurt that is certain to follow after classifying New Vegass as a console RPG.

 

[groke]

Subdividing GRPGD is a dumb move, but at least set the division date at the year that CRPG's died (1994).

Awesome bro, you're a true oldfag, let's hear some more statements like the one above so we can bask in your wisdom.

That was a pretty elitist post there, bro, I'm not sure if I can step up to that challenge!

 

[DarkUnderlord]

what is a jrpg ?

Japanese computer RPGs

See also: Action role-playing game and Tactical role-playing game
[edit]Origins (early 1980s)


Yamaha YIS503II MSX Personal Computer
While the Japanese video game industry has long been viewed as console-centric in the Western world, due to the worldwide success of Japanese consoles beginning with the NES, the country had in fact produced thousands of commercial personal computer games from the late 1970s up until the mid-1990s, in addition to dōjin soft independent games. The country's computer market was largely dominated by the NEC PC-8801 & PC-9801, though with some competition from the Sharp X1 & X68000, FM-7 & FM Towns, and MSX & MSX2. A key difference between Western and Japanese systems at the time was the latter's higher display resolutions (640x400) in order to accommodate Japanese text which in turn had an impact on game design. Japanese computers also employed Yamaha FM synthesis sound boards since the early 1980s, allowing video game music composers such as Yuzo Koshiro to produce highly regarded chiptune music for RPG companies such as Nihon Falcom. Due to hardware differences, only a small portion of Japanese computer games were released in North America, as ports to either consoles (like the NES or Genesis) or American PC platforms (like MS-DOS).[1] Early Japanese RPGs were also influenced by visual novel adventure games, which were developed by companies such as Enix, Square, Nihon Falcom and Koei before they moved onto developing RPGs.[2]
Japan's earliest RPGs were released by Koei, the first being The Dragon and Princess (ドラゴン＆プリンセス) for the PC-8001 in 1982. It featured adventure game elements and revolved around rescuing a kidnapped princess.[3] Also in 1982,[4] Koei released another early Japanese RPG, Danchizuma no Yuwaku[5][6] (Seduction of the Condominium Wife),[4] a PC-8001 title that also featured adventure game elements in addition to eroge adult content.[4] In June 1983, Koei released Sword & Sorcery (剣と魔法) for the PC-8001, and it also revolved around rescuing a princess in addition to killing a wizard.[7] That same year, Koei released Secrets of Khufu (クフ王の秘密), a dungeon crawl RPG that revolved around a search for the treasure of Khufu.[3] ASCII released their own RPG that year called Arfgaldt (アスキー), an FM-7 title also featuring adventure game elements.[3]
A particularly important early Japanese RPG was Bokosuka Wars,[8] originally released for the Sharp X1 computer in 1983[9] and later ported to the NES in 1985.[8] The game's success in Japan was responsible for laying the foundations for the tactical role-playing game subgenre, or the "simulation RPG" as it is known in Japan, with its blend of role-playing and strategy video game elements. The game revolves around a leader who must lead his army against overwhelming enemy forces, while recruiting soldiers along the way and with each unit able to gain experience and level up through battle.[8] The game is also considered to be an early example of a real-time,[10] action RPG.[11][12] Another important title released that same year was Koei's Nobunaga's Ambition for Japanese computers in 1983. It was an early attempt at combining role-playing, turn-based grand strategy and management simulation elements, setting the standard for future simulation RPGs. This trend continued with its sequels and other Koei games such as 1989's Bandit Kings of Ancient China as well as the Capcom game Destiny of an Emperor released that same year.[13]
In 1984, Nihon Falcom released Dragon Slayer, a historically significant title that laid the foundations for the Japanese role-playing game industry.[14] It was a real-time hack and slash dungeon crawler that is considered the first action role-playing game, a subgenre that it laid the foundations for,[15][16] alongside the arcade game The Tower of Druaga released the same year.[17] Dragon Slayer was a major success in Japan,[18] and led to the emergence of a distinct action role-playing game subgenre on Japanese computers during the mid-1980s, with Nihon Falcom at the forefront of this new subgenre.[19] Dragon Slayer as well as The Tower of Druaga laid the foundations for future action RPG series like Hydlide, Ys and The Legend of Zelda.[17] Hydlide, released for the PC-8801 in 1984 and the Famicom in 1986, added several innovations to the action RPG subgenre, including the ability to switch between attack mode and defense mode, quick save and load options which can be done at any moment of the game through the use of passwords as the primary back-up, and the introduction of a health regeneration mechanic where health and magic slowly regenerate when standing still, a feature also used in Falcom's Ys series from 1987 onwards.[20]
Also in 1984, Henk Rogers' The Black Onyx was released on the PC-8801 in Japan, where it became one of the best-selling computer games and was voted Game of the Year by Login, the largest Japanese computer game magazine at the time. The game is thus credited for bringing wider attention to computer role-playing games in the country.[21] The cyberpunk RPG Psychic City,[22] released by HOT・B for the FM-7[23] and PC-8801 in 1984, departed from the fantasy theme common in other RPGs at the time (such as Hydlide and The Black Onyx) in favour of a science fiction plot, set in a post-apocalyptic city devastated by World War III and where the protagonist fights using psychic/telepathic abilities. The game later served as the basis for the 1987 NES RPG Hoshi wo Miru Hito.[24]
Dragon Slayer's success led to a 1985 sequel Dragon Slayer II: Xanadu,[18] which became the best-selling PC game in Japan.[25] It was a full-fledged RPG with character stats and a large quest,[25] with action-based combat setting it apart from other RPGs,[19] including both melee combat and projectile magic attacks,[18] while incorporating a side-scrolling platform game view during exploration and an overhead view during battle.[18] Xanadu also featured innovative gameplay mechanics such as individual experience for equipped items,[25] and an early Karma morality system, where the player character's Karma meter will rise if he commits sin which in turn affects the temple's reaction to him.[16][25] It is also considered a "proto-Metroidvania" game,[26] due to being an "RPG turned on its side" that allowed players to run, jump, collect, and explore.[27] The way the Dragon Slayer series reworked the entire game system of each installment was an influence on Final Fantasy, which would do the same for each of its installments.[28] According to GamesTM and John Szczepaniak (of Retro Gamer and The Escapist), Enix's Dragon Quest was also influenced by Dragon Slayer and in turn defined many other RPGs.[14] Falcom would soon become one of the three most important Japanese role-playing game developers in the 1980s, alongside Enix and Square,[14] both of which were influenced by Falcom.[14][29]
Hydlide II: Shine of Darkness in 1985 featured an early morality meter, where the player can be aligned with justice, normal, or evil, which is affected by whether the player kills evil monsters, good monsters, or humans, and in turn affects the reactions of the townsfolk towards the player.[20] Magical Zoo's The Screamer, released for the PC-8801 in 1985, was an early example of a real-time shooter-based RPG.[citation needed] Set after World War III, the game also featured elements of post-apocalyptic science fiction as well as cyberpunk and bio-horror themes.[30][31] Square also released their first RPG that same year, which was an early futuristic sci-fi RPG for the PC-8801,[32] Genesis: Beyond The Revelation,[33] featuring a post-apocalyptic setting.[32] Other sci-fi RPGs released in 1985 include The Earth Fighter Rayieza by Enix,[34] and Kogado Studio's MSX game Cosmic Soldier, which introduced an early dialogue conversation system, where the player can recruit allies by talking to them, choose whether to kill or spare an enemy, and engage enemies in conversation, similar to the later more famous Megami Tensei.[35]
[edit]Golden Age (late 1980s–early 1990s)
The late 1980s to early 1990s is considered the golden age of Japanese computer gaming, which would flourish until its decline around the mid-1990s, as consoles eventually dominated the Japanese market.[32] A notable Japanese computer RPG from around this time was WiBArm, the earliest known RPG to feature 3D polygonal graphics. It was a 1986 role-playing shooter released by Arsys Software for the PC-88 in Japan and ported to MS-DOS for Western release by Brøderbund. In WiBArm, the player controls a transformable mecha robot, switching between a 2D side-scrolling view during outdoor exploration to a fully 3D polygonal third-person perspective inside buildings, while bosses are fought in an arena-style 2D shoot 'em up battle. The game featured a variety of weapons and equipment as well as an automap, and the player could upgrade equipment and earn experience to raise stats.[36][37] Unlike first-person RPGs at the time that were restricted to 90-degree movements, WiBArm's use of 3D polygons allowed full 360-degree movement.[37]
Another 1986 release was Falcom's Xanadu Scenario II, an early example of an expansion pack.[38] The game was non-linear, allowing the eleven levels to be explored in any order.[39] Dragon Slayer Jr: Romancia simplified the RPG mechanics of Xanadu, such as removing the character customization and simplifying the numerical statistics into icons, and emphasized faster-paced platform action, with a strict 30-minute time limit. The action took place entirely in a side-scrolling view rather than switching to a separate overhead combat screen like its predecessor. These changes Romancia more like a side-scrolling action-adventure game.[28][40][41] Square's 1986 release, Cruise Chaser Blassty, was a sci-fi RPG that had the player control a customizable mecha robot from a first-person view.[32] That same year also saw the arcade release of the sequel to The Tower of Druaga, The Return of Ishtar,[42] an early action RPG[43] to feature two-player cooperative gameplay,[42] dual-stick control in single player, a female protagonist, the first heroic couple in gaming, and the first password save system in an arcade game.[44]
In 1987, Dragon Slayer IV: Drasle Family (Legacy of the Wizard) returned to the deeper action-RPG mechanics of Xanadu while maintaining the fully side-scrolling view of Romancia.[41] It also featured an open world and nonlinear gameplay similar to "Metroidvania" platform-adventures, making Drasle Family an early example of a non-linear, open-world action RPG.[40] Another "Metroidvania" style open-world action RPG released that year was System Sacom's Sharp X1 computer game Euphory, which was possibly the only Metroidvania-style multiplayer action RPG produced, allowing two-player cooperative gameplay.[36] The fifth Dragon Slayer title, Sorcerian, was also released in 1987. It was a party-based action RPG, with the player controlling a party of four characters at the same time in a side-scrolling view. The game also featured character creation, highly customizable characters, class-based puzzles, and a new scenario system, allowing players to choose which of 15 scenarios, or quests, to play through in the order of their choice. It was also an episodic video game, with expansion disks released soon after offering more scenarios.[45][46] Falcom also released the first installment of its popular, long-running Ys series in 1987. Besides Falcom's own Dragon Slayer series, Ys was also influenced by Hydlide, from which it borrowed certain mechanics such as health-regeneration when standing still, a mechanic that has since become common in video games today.[14][20] Ys was also a precursor to RPGs that emphasize storytelling,[47] and it is known for its 'bump attack' system, where the protagonist Adol automatically attacks when running into enemies off-center, making the game more accessible and the usually tedious level-grinding task more swift and enjoyable for audiences at the time.[48] The game also had what is considered to be one of the best and most influential video game music soundtracks of all time, composed by Yuzo Koshiro and Mieko Ishikawa.[48][49][50] In terms of the number of game releases, Ys is second only to Final Fantasy as the largest Eastern role-playing game franchise.[48]
Hydlide 3: The Space Memories, released for the MSX in 1987 and for the Mega Drive as Super Hydlide in 1989, adopted the morality meter of its predecessor, expanded on its time option with the introduction of an in-game clock setting day-night cycles and a need to sleep and eat, and made other improvements such as cut scenes for the opening and ending, a combat system closer to The Legend of Zelda, the choice between four distinct character classes, a wider variety of equipment and spells, and a weight system affecting the player's movement depending on the overall weight of the equipment carried.[20] That same year, Kogado Studio's sci-fi RPG Cosmic Soldier: Psychic War featured a unique "tug of war" style real-time combat system, where battles are a clash of energy between the party and the enemy, with the player needing to push the energy towards the enemy to strike them, while being able to use a shield to block or a suction ability to absorb the opponent's power. It also featured a unique non-linear conversation system, where the player can recruit allies by talking to them, choose whether to kill or spare an enemy, and engage enemies in conversation, similar to Megami Tensei.[51] Also in 1987, Shiryou Sensen: War of the Dead, an MSX2 title developed by Fun Factory and published by Victor Music Industries, was the first true survival horror RPG.[39][52] Designed by Katsuya Iwamoto, the game revolved around a female SWAT member Lila rescuing survivors in an isolated monster-infested town and bringing them to safety in a church. It was open-ended like Dragon Quest and had real-time side-view battles like Zelda II. Unlike other RPGs at the time, however, the game had a dark and creepy atmosphere expressed through the story, graphics, and music,[39] while the gameplay used shooter-based combat and gave limited ammunition for each weapon, forcing the player to search for ammo and often run away from monsters in order to conserve ammo.[52] That same year saw the release of Laplace no Ma, another hybrid of survival horror and RPG, though with more traditional RPG elements such as turn-based combat. It was mostly set in a mansion infested with undead creatures, and the player controlled a party of several characters with different professions, including a scientist who constructs tools and a journalist who takes pictures.[53]
In 1988, Arsys Software's Star Cruiser was an innovative action RPG released for the PC-8801.[54] It was notable for being an early example of an RPG with fully 3D polygonal graphics,[54] combined with first-person shooter gameplay,[55] which would occasionally switch to space flight simulator gameplay when exploring outer space with six degrees of freedom. All the backgrounds, objects and opponents in the game were rendered in 3D polygons, many years before they were widely adopted by the gaming industry. The game also emphasized storytelling, with plot twists and extensive character dialogues.[54] Star Cruiser was later ported to the Mega Drive console in 1990.[55] Another 1988 release, Last Armageddon, produced for the PC-8801 and later ported to the PC Engine CD and NES consoles in 1990, featured a unique post-apocalyptic storyline set in a desolate future where humanity has become extinct and the protagonists are demon monsters waging war against an alien species.[56] The Scheme, released by Bothtec for the PC-8801 in 1988, was an action RPG with a similar side-scrolling open-world gameplay to Metroid.[36] That same year, Ys II introduced the unique ability to transform into a monster, which allows the player to both scare human non-player characters for unique dialogues as well as interact with all the monsters. This is a recurring highlight in the series, offering the player insight into the enemies, to an extent that very few other games allow to this day.[48] Also that same year, War of the Dead Part 2 for the MSX2 and PC-88 abandoned certain RPG elements of its predecessor, such as random encounters, and instead adopted more action-adventure elements from Metal Gear while retaining the horror atmosphere of its predecessor.[52]
1988 also saw the debut of Telenet Japan's Exile, a series of action-platform RPGs,[57] beginning with XZR: Idols of Apostate. The series was controversial for its plot, which revolves around a time-traveling Crusades-era Syrian Islamic Assassin who assassinates various religious/historical figures as well as modern-day political leaders,[58] with similarities to the present-day Assassin's Creed action game series.[59] The gameplay of Exile included both overhead exploration and side-scrolling combat, featured a heart monitor to represent the player's Attack Power and Armour Class statistics, and another controversial aspect of the game involved taking drugs (instead of potions) that increase/decrease attributes but with side-effects such as affecting the heart-rate or causing death.[58] An early attempt at incorporating a point-and-click interface in a real-time overhead action RPG was Silver Ghost,[60] a 1988 NEC PC-8801 game by Kure Software Koubou.[61] It was an action-strategy RPG where characters could be controlled using a cursor.[60] It was cited by Camelot Software Planning's Hiroyuki Takahashi as inspiration for the Shining series of tactical RPGs. According to Takahashi, Silver Ghost was "a simulation action type of game where you had to direct, oversee and command multiple characters."[62] Unlike later tactical RPGs, however, Silver Ghost was not turn-based, but instead used real-time strategy and action role-playing game elements.[60] A similar game released by Kure Software Koubou that same year was First Queen, a unique hybrid between a real-time strategy, action RPG, and strategy RPG. Like an RPG, the player can explore the world, purchase items, and level up, and like a strategy video game, it focuses on recruiting soldiers and fighting against large armies rather than small parties. The game's "Gochyakyara" ("Multiple Characters") system let the player control one character at a time while the others are controlled by computer AI that follow the leader, and where battles are large-scale with characters sometimes filling an entire screen.[63][64]
Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes in 1989 departed from the action-oriented gameplay of previous Dragon Slayer titles, and instead used a more traditional turn-based combat system.[65] In 1990, Data East's Gate of Doom was an arcade action RPG that combined beat 'em up fighting gameplay with fantasy role-playing and introduced an isometric perspective.[66] That same year, Enix released a unique biological simulation action RPG by Almanic that revolved around the theme of evolution, 46 Okunen Monogatari, a revised version of which was released in 1992 as E.V.O.: Search for Eden.[67] That same year, Alpha Denshi's Crossed Swords for the arcades combined the first-person beat 'em up gameplay of SNK's The Super Spy (released the same year) with RPG elements, while replacing the first-person shooting with hack & slash combat.[68] Also in 1990, Hideo Kojima's SD Snatcher, while turn-based, abandoned random encounters and introduced an innovative first-person shooter-based battle system where firearm weapons (each with different abilities and target ranges) have limited ammunition and the player can aim at specific parts of the enemy's body with each part weakening the enemy in different ways; an auto-battle feature could also be enabled. Such a battle system has rarely been used since,[69] though similar battle systems based on targeting individual body parts can later be found in Square's Vagrant Story (2000),[70] Bethesda's Fallout 3 (2008), and Nippon Ichi's Last Rebellion (2010).[71]
In 1991, Nihon Falcom's Brandish was an early overhead action RPG to use mouse controls, where the player could move forward, backward, turn, strafe and attack by clicking on boxes surrounding the player character.[72] The 1991 Dragon Slayer title Lord Monarch departed from the action RPG gameplay of its predecessors, instead using an early form of real-time strategy gameplay.[65] The erotic adult RPG Dragon Knight III, released in 1991 for the PC-8801 and as Knights of Xentar for MS-DOS, introduced a unique pausable real-time battle system,[73][74] where characters automatically attack based on a list of different AI scripts,[74] though this meant the player had no control over the characters during battle other than to give commands for spells, item use, and AI routines.[73] That same year, Arcus Odyssey by Wolf Team (now Namco Tales Studio) was an action RPG that featured an isometric perspective and co-operative multiplayer gameplay.[75] The sequel to the first-person shooter role-playing game Star Cruiser, simply called Star Cruiser 2, was released in 1992,[76] for the PC-9821 and FM Towns computers.[77] T&E Soft released the PC-98 game Sword World PC in 1992 and a console version Sword World SFC for the Super Famicom in 1993.[78] It was officially based on Sword World RPG, a popular Japanese table-top role-playing game. The video game versions were multiplayer titles and early attempts at recreating an open-ended, table-top role-playing experience on video game platforms, being set in the same world as Sword World and implementing the same rules and scenarios.[79] Wolf Team's Dark Kingdom, released for the PC-98 in 1992 and ported to the SNES console in 1994, featured a unique storyline that revolved around the players conquering the world as a villain instead of saving the world.[80]
[edit]Decline and independent titles (late 1990s–present)
See also: Dōjin soft and RPG Maker
From the mid-1990s, the Japanese computer game industry began declining. This was partly due to the death of the NEC PC-9801 computer format, as the Sega Saturn and Sony PlayStation became increasingly powerful in the console market while the computer market became increasingly dominated by the IBM Personal Computer and Microsoft Windows 95. This led to many Japanese PC manufacturers either continuing to develop for Windows 95 or moving over to the more lucrative console market. While most developers turned their attention to the console market, some developers dedicated to content unsuitable for consoles (such as eroge and complex military strategy games) continued their focus on the PC market.[1]
In 1996, Night Slave was a shooter RPG released for the PC-98 that combined the side-scrolling shooter gameplay of Assault Suits Valken and Gradius, including an armaments system that employs recoil physics, with many RPG elements such as permanently levelling up the mecha and various weapons using power-orbs obtained from defeating enemies as well as storyline cut scenes. These cut scenes also occasionally contain lesbian adult content.[36]
Lastly, in the late 1990s, a new Internet fad began, owing to simplistic software development kits such as the Japanese RPG Maker series (1988 onwards). Influenced by console RPGs and based mostly on the gameplay and style of the SNES and Sega Genesis games, a large group of young programmers and aficionados across the world began creating independent console-style computer RPGs and sharing them online.[81] An early successful example was Corpse Party (1996), a survival horror indie game created using the RPG Maker engine. Much like the survival horror adventure games Clock Tower (1995 onwards) and later Haunting Ground (2005), the player characters in Corpse Party lack any means of defending themselves; the game also featured up to 20 possible endings. However, the game would not be released in Western markets until 2011.[82] In an interview with GameDaily in 2007, MTVN's Dave Williams remarked that, "Games like this [user generated] have been sort of under the radar for something that could be the basis of a business. We have the resources and we can afford to invest more... I think it's going to be a great thing for the consumer."[83]

 

[Johannes]

This is bullshit.


Only good way to split GRPGD, as far as I see, is to have one GRPGD, and a "Blockbuster/AAA RPGs" discussion, which would get the proper RPG board rid of shit like MEs, Skyrims, DAs, TWitchers, Amalur, AP, FO3, etc.


The problem with the current system is that RPG discussion can easily encompass games from all 3 current subforums. For example if I ask for "I want a game that does X well", the answers could include all of 1980s western titles, 2000s western titles, and japanese titles. So which subforum should I post my question in?
Whereas with the AAA or not-classification it's easy to just post OPs specifically about a certain games in 1 forum, everything else in the other.

 

[Sul]

This is so fucking simple to solve. Just create a "computer RPG" forum and a "console RPG" forum. Multi-platform RPGs that weren't ported to consoles at a much later date can go into the "console RPG" forum, as developing an RPG with consoles in mind dumbs it down to console levels.

This would move most of the New Shit and Jap Shit away from the Prestigious Shit. Then we've got games like Diablo and The Witcher to deal with. Diablo 3 can get bundled into the MMO subforum (which can be renamed to "Online Games" and moved over to Gaming Discussion) as it's online only, while Diablo 1, 2 and The Witcher series can get dumped into General Gaming. Sorted.

This also has the advantage of combining awesome old PC RPGs with newer indie games like Knights of the Chalice and Legend of Grimrock. This works beautifully because Jaesun's arbitrary "classic" era ended just when Knights of the Old Republic came out to fuck up our precious genre. Under these rules, Knights of the Old Republic would be dumped into the "console RPG" forum where it belongs, together with the likes of Mass Effect (this could go in General Gaming), Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2, Alpha Protocol, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas (yeah, fuck you).

There's literally no down side to this. It'll be the resident JRPG lovers who will end up wanting a JRPG specific forum to rid themselves of the Western Decline games, which will be in stark contrast to their opposition to any forum split right now. Win fucking win.

This. Fucking this. I would brofist if I could.

 

[Bruma Hobo]

This is so fucking simple to solve. Just create a "computer RPG" forum and a "console RPG" forum. Multi-platform RPGs that weren't ported to consoles at a much later date can go into the "console RPG" forum, as developing an RPG with consoles in mind dumbs it down to console levels.

This would move most of the New Shit and Jap Shit away from the Prestigious Shit. Then we've got games like Diablo and The Witcher to deal with. Diablo 3 can get bundled into the MMO subforum (which can be renamed to "Online Games" and moved over to Gaming Discussion) as it's online only, while Diablo 1, 2 and The Witcher series can get dumped into General Gaming. Sorted.

This also has the advantage of combining awesome old PC RPGs with newer indie games like Knights of the Chalice and Legend of Grimrock. This works beautifully because Jaesun's arbitrary "classic" era ended just when Knights of the Old Republic came out to fuck up our precious genre. Under these rules, Knights of the Old Republic would be dumped into the "console RPG" forum where it belongs, together with the likes of Mass Effect (this could go in General Gaming), Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2, Alpha Protocol, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and New Vegas (yeah, fuck you).

There's literally no down side to this. It'll be the resident JRPG lovers who will end up wanting a JRPG specific forum to rid themselves of the Western Decline games, which will be in stark contrast to their opposition to any forum split right now. Win fucking win.

This. Fucking this. I would brofist if I could.

 

[ghostdog]

I propose the following subforums :

Dungeon Dwellers
Blobberts
Stat-ic Action
Hoard n' Clickers
Chess with story
Read and/or die
Grindan Academy
Wallpaper Cultists
Command and Consequence
The Popamolers


No rpg subforums as there are no true RPGs.

 

[Turjan]

Now back again to classics , no might and magic is not a coherent and consistent line of games, might and magic 6 is drastically different from 5 , not same world, gameplay completely different , and real time with pause.

M&M 6 has a turn-based mode, not RTwP. Each of your chars and opponents move and attack one after the other.

 

[Infinitron]

Why do you want to change the definition of the word 'classic'?

The word can mean whatever we, the prestigious RPGCodex, wish it to mean. I see nothing wrong with defining it as "antique game", basically. The antiquity of the RPG genre lasted until around the mid-90's when the genre collapsed into a Dark Age of sorts (Fallout and Baldur's Gate were the Renaissance)

In any case, the forum name now doesn't contain the word "classic" at all, so this argument is no longer relevant.