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Star Wars Battlefront 2 - now with lootbox drama

Daedalos

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Or you know, you could buy the game AND tell EA to make their monitization strategy and business practice different next time, and that the MTX debacle is NOT ok. You give money to hardworking DICE, and you tell EA to ditch their shady business practices, which it looks they might even do now.
Words are feeble if actions denote the opposite. Money is and always has been the only real leverage customers have.

Sure. I bought the game, but I didn't buy any loot boxes at all, which is EA wanted me to do. Paying 60 $ for this game is a steal, in terms of how great it is.
 

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"This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money" http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...es-belgian-gaming-commission-hawaii-chris-lee
Belgian and Hawaiian politicians call for Battlefront 2 loot box ban.

By Tom Phillips Published 22/11/2017

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There's no end in sight to the controversy surrounding loot boxes in gaming, which has crystallised around the launch of Star Wars Battlefront 2.

Last week, the Belgium Gaming Commision began an investigation into the practice of selling lumps of random in-game loot, sparked by the furore kicked up by Battlefront 2 prior to its launch.

Now, the Belgian commission has weighed in with its findings - and deemed loot boxes as "gambling".

"The mixing of money and addiction is gambling," a spokesperson for the commision told Belgian news site VTM. "It will require time, because we need to go to Europe with this. We will absolutely try to forbid it."


(Thanks to Eurogamer reader Daan for the full translation.)

It sounds decisive, but it's worth treating with some caution. Responding to the Belgian commission's latest statement, UK gaming lawyer Jas Purewal noted the country still had "no considered policy position, no stated strategy" and that "gambling authorities move slowly on the whole".

"TLDR - don't read much into Belgium news yet. Even if somehow it happens, I don't think it would actually change very much at all. Only if this becomes a concerted international movement against video games gambling would things change. The chances of that happening seems very low."

Meanwhile, across the globe in Hawaii, down-with-the-kids Democrat politician Chris Lee added more fuel to EA's fire by publicly calling for legislation to end the sale of loot boxes to minors.



In a statement to press last night, Lee - a Hawaii State Representative and Chairman of the House Energy and Environmental Protection Committee - spoke out against Battlefront 2 specifically, and called out EA for being "predatory". And yes, Lee did utter Star Wars' infamous "It's a trap" quote.

"We're here today to ensure future protections for kids, youth and everyone when it comes to the spread of predatory practices in online gaming, and the significant financial consequences it can have - and has been having - on families around this nation," Lee said.

"This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it's a trap. This is something we need to address to ensure that particularly kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough to be able to gamble - which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 - are protected from being trapped into these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online."

Lee then said he would investigate a legal response to the selling loot boxes to children - effectively calling for a ban. He also said he was using his influence to encourage other Democratic representatives to speak up elsewhere, also.

"We're looking at legislation this coming year which could prohibit the sale of these games to folks who are underage in order to protect families, as well as prohibiting different kinds of mechanisms in those games. We've been talking with several other states as well - legislators there who are looking at the same thing. This is the appropriate time to make sure these issues are addressed before this becomes the new norm for every game."

Lee was joined at the podium by another Democratic member of the Hawaii House of Representatives, Sean Quinlan, who compared the practice of encouraging minors to gamble to the idea of advertising cigarettes to kids.

"One of the things that's really disturbing about this, to me, is this was previously a business practice that was mostly seen in the mobile gaming market... and now it's moved into the main event," Quinlan stated. "This is a triple-A title that's been released by the world's largest gaming studio, and it has the most popular intellectual property in the world attached to it, and it's marketed squarely at children.

"Some of you folks who are older may remember a character called Joe Camel; he's not around any more. We didn't allow Joe Camel to encourage your kids to smoke cigarettes and we shouldn't allow Star Wars to encourage your kids to gamble."

The debate over whether loot boxes should be considered gambling, feels like it has reached breaking point. It's unlikely any of the above action will lead to direct consequences for Star Wars Battlefront 2 - new legislation takes time, and Battlefront has already launched - but wheels now seem to be in motion.

Additional reporting by Rob Purchese.


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If DICE collapses, nobody else will make a good 2017 star wars shooter, hell even a shooter, I can tell you that much.

Seeing how there's about only one month left in 2017, yeah I agree.

Jesus, you really are a dumbass.
 
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If DICE collapses, nobody else will make a good 2017 star wars shooter, hell even a shooter, I can tell you that much.

Seeing how there's sbout only one month left in 2017, yeah I agree.

Jesus, you really are a dumbass.
Don't look down on her that harshly, dude.

Diagnosis: Battered wife syndrome. She'll take every blow from EA with a grin on her face and love it.
 

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Yeah I'll take every blow from EA, except I have been extremely vocal on reddit etc. about my unhappiness with the current state of the slowness of progression system in SWBF2, and also, I have been vocal about removing gambling loot boxes and moving them over to cosmetic only.

Other than that, I enjoy the game to the fullest. Star cards feel balanced for the most part and the game itself is just tons of fun. I got my moneys worth x 10.

Like I said, the whole lootbox MTX drama have entirely, and I do mean, entirely unaffected me and my playtime during 70+ hours. I understand it's a problem that needs fixing obviously, but personally, the game can be enjoyed without all that just as well.
 

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DICE DICE DICE DICE ONLY DICE CAN MAKE GOOD SHOOTAZ NO ONE ELSE!!!*SCREEECH*

Yeah like the original and superior battlefront wasn't made by an entirely different company (one that EA killed unceremoniously)

dice are nothing special son, their games just look pretty because they have access to EA's infinite pockets, but other than that they are the definition of a modern, by the numbers, play it safe company that always catters to the lowest common denominator, a category you obvioussly belong to (IF DICE COLLAPSES NOBODY ELSE WILL MAKE A GOOD SHOOTER!!! lolwut?)

Only reason dice is even still around is that unlike other companies that EA bought and then destroyed, they fully and willingly opened their legs for them to scew around as much as they want in their insides

In November 2004, Electronic Arts announced their intent to purchase all outstanding shares in DICE at a price of 61 kr per share.[5] The board of directors of DICE recommended that the company's shareholders accept the offer. Electronic Arts owned 62% of DICE on 31 March 2005.

Yeah if they go down alongside EA because if this debacle then it would just be a bonus, just another mediocre developer that makes mainstrean multiplayer popamole shooters, or as yathzee would put it, spunkergaglewewes, gone. Not that I care that much about them but nothing of value would be lost :smug:.
 

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DICE DICE DICE DICE ONLY DICE CAN MAKE GOOD SHOOTAZ NO ONE ELSE!!!*SCREEECH*

Yeah like the original and superior battlefront wasn't made by an entirely different company (one that EA killed unceremoniously)

dice are nothing special son, their games just look pretty because they have access to EA's infinite pockets, but other than that they are the definition of a modern, by the numbers, play it safe company that always catters to the lowest common denominator, a category you obvioussly belong to (IF DICE COLLAPSES NOBODY ELSE WILL MAKE A GOOD SHOOTER!!! lolwut?)

Only reason dice is even still around is that unlike other companies that EA bought and then destroyed, they fully and willingly opened their legs for them to scew around as much as they want in their insides

In November 2004, Electronic Arts announced their intent to purchase all outstanding shares in DICE at a price of 61 kr per share.[5] The board of directors of DICE recommended that the company's shareholders accept the offer. Electronic Arts owned 62% of DICE on 31 March 2005.

Yeah if they go down alongside EA because if this debacle then it would just be a bonus, just another mediocre developer that makes mainstrean multiplayer popamole shooters churning, or as yathzee would put it, spunkergaglewewes, gone. Not that I care that much about them but nothing of value would be lost :smug:.

Modern shooters are here to stay, and every company tries to emulate the same formula that DICE puts out, if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself. Name me some better MP warfare shooters, then? Non-competitive of course, so dont say CSGO, Quake and other shit.

Destiny 2? Lol no.
Borderlands2? Nope
Doom? Nah
Bioshock series? AHHAahah
Crysis series? Leeelz
Far cry 4? No fucking way, garbage tier.
Call of DUTYYY? LOL NO
Overwatch? Maybe, the only real contender, but no, that game is shit, too.
Titanfall 2? Give me a fucking break

So yes, DICE puts out the best shooters of the genre, continually every time.

The times of making a game like the old battlefronts have past, and companies now, make modern shooters. Nothing wrong with that, modern shooters are very fun if done right. I would even say, battlefront 2, is for the most part, better than the old battlefronts. Except I would like more depth of vechicle play, but thats that.

Battlefield 1 is one of the most successful shooters in modern history, battlefield 1.2.3.4 all smashing success... but yeah, DICE sucks right? they dont know what people want, rite?

Only YOU do and your shitter taste, I forgot that, sorry. Get with the times, seriously.
 

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Popular=/Quality

Yeah I don't play modern shooters at all so I honestly do not care, I do care about dumbasses like you supporting companies that promote shitty business practice that affect the games I do play tho.

Dumbass
 

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Popular=/Quality

Yeah I don't play modern shooters at all so I honestly do not care, I do care about dumbasses like you supporting companies that promote shitty business practice that affect the games I do play tho.

Dumbass

Right, see thats what I thought. You dont play modern shooters, SO YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Just another blowhard fag, who cries with the rest of the pack.

Still, you want to pass off your autistic shit arguments, pretending you actually know anything about anything. Just shut the fuck up dude, seriously. I support the developers of good games. That's all I do.

Why am I even wasting time on you? It's like banging my head against a concrete wall. Instead I should be smashing your skull into it, and drinking wine from it.
 

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Yeah I don't play modern shooters at all so I honestly do not care, I do care about dumbasses like you supporting companies that promote shitty business practice that affect the games I do play tho.

Dumbass

Right, see thats what I thought. You dont play modern shooters, SO YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Just another blowhard fag, who cries with the rest of the pack.

Still, you want to pass off your autistic shit arguments, pretending you actually know anything about anything. Just shut the fuck up dude, seriously. I support the developers of good games. That's all I do.

Why am I even wasting time on you? It's like banging my head against a concrete wall. Instead I should be smashing your skull into it, and drinking wine from it.

Autistic
:roll:

U mad brah?

And seriously a fan of spunkergaglewewes saying I have shit tastes is just too funny, like a fallout 4 fan saying my tastes are shit for prefering the classic fallouts, hilarious lack of self awarness :lol:

I support the developers of good games. That's all I do

And their publisher, that's why you're such a dumbass.
 

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Christ did you actually go back and edit your post to put MORE drab arguments in them? People usually do the opposite. and you call me autistic...

Why am I even wasting time on you? It's like banging my head against a concrete wall. Instead I should be smashing your skull into it, and drinking wine from it.

This is some quality butthurt right here! I've done my duty folks :salute:
 
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Yeah and Activision owns Blizzard Entertainment department,

The company name is actually Activision Blizzard as it merged with Vivaldi Games that owned Blizzard in 2007, in fact Blizzard never was a independent studio under that name, they were named Silicon & Synapse and changed name after being brought by Davidson & Associates in 1994.

but guess what, blizzard entertainment does their own thing, still.

What a fucking tard you are, Blizzard been Warcraft for a long whole and only somewhat recently started to return to their previous series with Diablo 3 and StarCraft II ... you know what? all the previous ones? Diablo II and Starcraft? Vivaldi ... after the payday that was World of Warcraft they did expansions for it until Hearthstone.

It's been quite clear, that the developers from DICE had nothing to do with the whole EA fuck up, they even said themselves. They just make the content of the game, not the monitization strategy. EA doesn't mess with the creation of the game itself, they leave that to the experts of game development.

You really are a moron, lets see who EA DICE CEO IS ....

Karl-Magnus Troedsson

VP of Group Strategy

Led the development of the business- and product strategies for the EA Studios Europe group with specific focus on the DICE studios, Uprise and franchises such as Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront. Created long term tactics for studio collaboration, franchise- and brand cohesiveness. Also appointed local CEO for EA Digital Illusions CE AB, EA's Swedish subsidiary.

Supported projects:
- Star Wars Battlefront
- Mirror’s Edge Catalyst
- Battlefield 1

Oh yes and he have been at DICE for a long while now, he just climbed up to CEO and VICE PRESIDENT OF EA GROUP STRATEGY.

Guys, Giys ... DICE dint had a clue its not like THEIR FUCKING CEO isnt one of EA Vice Presidents and he is involved with product stategies or anything ...

I am done.
 

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Guys, Giys ... DICE dint had a clue its not like THEIR FUCKING CEO isnt one of EA Vice Presidents and he is involved with product stategies or anything ...
Come now. We all knew he was a lying EA paid shill the second he opened his mouth about how great the game is. This is merely par for the course: Lie, obfuscate, throw poo everywhere, anything and everything to mask the fact that EA has a bomb on their hands and drum up business.
 

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Yeah and Activision owns Blizzard Entertainment department,

The company name is actually Activision Blizzard as it merged with Vivaldi Games that owned Blizzard in 2007, in fact Blizzard never was a independent studio under that name, they were named Silicon & Synapse and changed name after being brought by Davidson & Associates in 1994.

but guess what, blizzard entertainment does their own thing, still.

What a fucking tard you are, Blizzard been Warcraft for a long whole and only somewhat recently started to return to their previous series with Diablo 3 and StarCraft II ... you know what? all the previous ones? Diablo II and Starcraft? Vivaldi ... after the payday that was World of Warcraft they did expansions for it until Hearthstone.

It's been quite clear, that the developers from DICE had nothing to do with the whole EA fuck up, they even said themselves. They just make the content of the game, not the monitization strategy. EA doesn't mess with the creation of the game itself, they leave that to the experts of game development.

You really are a moron, lets see who EA DICE CEO IS ....

Karl-Magnus Troedsson

VP of Group Strategy

Led the development of the business- and product strategies for the EA Studios Europe group with specific focus on the DICE studios, Uprise and franchises such as Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront. Created long term tactics for studio collaboration, franchise- and brand cohesiveness. Also appointed local CEO for EA Digital Illusions CE AB, EA's Swedish subsidiary.

Supported projects:
- Star Wars Battlefront
- Mirror’s Edge Catalyst
- Battlefield 1

Oh yes and he have been at DICE for a long while now, he just climbed up to CEO and VICE PRESIDENT OF EA GROUP STRATEGY.

Guys, Giys ... DICE dint had a clue its not like THEIR FUCKING CEO isnt one of EA Vice Presidents and he is involved with product stategies or anything ...

I am done.

MY god, you are really the biggest fucking moron I have ever encountered.

Troedsson was only involved in BATTLEFRONT 1, not 2, you fucking moron. "Led the development of the business- and product strategies" - Yes, he was promoted to EA big wig, and as such, he's NOT on the development team at DICE LA for battlefront 2. He's nowhere near that. He has absolutely no say in the development of either 1 or 2, he just makes sure that the business model (loot boxes, DLC) gets implemented into the game somehow, nothing more.

Furthermore, DICE Los Angeles made Battlefront 2, not DICE in Sweden. Troedsson is a local CEO at swedish DICE, not overall CEO of DICE, get your facts straight.

Thanks for proving my point, tho. DICE LA had no involvement in putting monitization models into their own game, EA bigwigs and disney wanted that, not the DICE team.

He also doesnt work at EA DICE anymore since he quit in 2016
 

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Good Job EA,you might manage to fuck the whole lootbox/f2p/p2w system in the ass

:salute::salute::salute:
 
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Good Job EA,you might manage to fuck the whole loot crate/f2p/p2w system in the ass

:salute::salute::salute:
Watch as EA fanbois and shills claim that that was EA's goal all along, and it was a public service that EA did and so we should all bow down and worship at the altar of EA.
 
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Reading articles about this with absolutely no mention of the first run of SW: Battlefront games is wild, maybe an instruction from EA?
There's actually a department at the Ministry of Truth where shit like this gets sordid.
 

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I know I should really stop engaging with the retarded EA drone but I really feel I need to highlight one more shining nugget of stupidity, one last time

Modern shooters are here to stay, and every company tries to emulate the same formula that DICE puts out, if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself. Name me some better MP warfare shooters, then? Non-competitive of course, so dont say CSGO, Quake and other shit.

Destiny 2? Lol no.
Borderlands2? Nope
Doom? Nah
Bioshock series? AHHAahah
Crysis series? Leeelz
Far cry 4? No fucking way, garbage tier.
Call of DUTYYY? LOL NO
Overwatch? Maybe, the only real contender, but no, that game is shit, too.
Titanfall 2? Give me a fucking break

MODERN SHOOTER ARE AWESOME AND HERE TO STAY THAT'S WHY I THINK EVERY OTHER MODERN SHOOTER IS SHIT EXCEPT FOR THE ONE MADE BY THE COMPANY I HAVE RAGING HARD ON FOR (BECAUSE I LIKE BEING FUCKED IN THE ASS AGAIN AND AGAIN BY THEM)

It's like some autist monkey loudly screeching why his smelly turd he found is better than all those others smelly turds without realizing they all came from the same butthole
 
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PRC will be easy to spot mate. If game have a half million Chinese downvotes it will be them. When PRC does something it does it in full force. The Chinese review bombing is a bunch of rich people hating something in the game.
Could be anything the government doesn't like. Make a game that make a referrence to Tienamen, for example, and see what happens. Or call Taiwan a separate country.

But the real issue is that the resulting outrage is FAKE. It is a China government organised effort, not the spontaneous outraged screaming of fans. That's the problem.

I have had dealing with the Mainlander community over here. They are uniformly brainwashed into thinking that China is the greatest, their government is the greatest, China owns everything from Nepal to Taiwan, all of the stuff that the China government want people to believe, and history basically takes a dump on. They are believers in a lie that make them the only good guys in the world. It is basically watching a bunch of maladjusted arrogant sociopaths screaming their heads off about their "rights" on a national scale.
I don't think it is a lie to be honest. At the moment China is the greatest power on the planet both military and industry. Taiwan is a Chinese island filled with Chinese people,it just have different government that is at odds(hate more like it) with the PRC. Also they do own Tibet no amount of retarded monks burning themself will change that. If you have problem with those facts you are free to pick weapon and go fight them. This is like people whining that Crimea is not Russian and all that butthurt crap. Also i do thing authoritarian rule is the best form of rule. China and Russia are proof of that. China certainly have great capable government if it is able to accomplish so many things. While america is in constant decline past 30 years. I would personally emigrate to China than any western countries,hypothetically. Also i don't see nothing wrong with people living their country,after all i am nationalist.
I sense a Vatnik tag incoming :lol:

Btw, kid, by your own misguided logic here, about 1/5 of your country may declare to be part of the Greater neo-Ottoman Turkey. I guess you'll support that too, right?

The lesson to take, don't go to a dick measuring contest when your own pecker is miniscule. Stick to the alliances you have because no one else will keep you safe. I guess that's still a bit difficult to grasp for a society of a former communist "colony", but you will open your eyes to the world at some point.

Also, for someone whose country is still practically owned by Russia, economically and politically, it's quite ironic to be giving out labels to China, Shanghai and Taiwan.
Go and suck Merkels dick you arab/german barbarian inbred ! Fucking ignorant retard that pretends to be almost intelligent. SPOILER ALERT .... you are not,you are a stupid ignorant asshole that thinks he is special. My recommendation is to go outside of your echo chamber and you know travel the world a little,it will help you see things in reality. Also please go and read a tiny bit of history and books in general.
 
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"This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money"
Belgian and Hawaiian politicians call for Battlefront 2 loot box ban.

By Tom Phillips Published 22/11/2017

...

"This game is a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money; it's a trap. This is something we need to address to ensure that particularly kids who are underage, who are not psychologically and emotionally mature enough to be able to gamble - which is why gambling is prohibited under 21 - are protected from being trapped into these cycles which have compelled many folks to spend thousands of dollars in gaming fees online."
What ever happened to letting cocksuckers get theirs?
 

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Good Job EA,you might manage to fuck the whole loot crate/f2p/p2w system in the ass

:salute::salute::salute:
Watch as EA fanbois and shills claim that that was EA's goal all along, and it was a public service that EA did and so we should all bow down and worship at the altar of EA.
That is some deeeeeeeep conspiracy theory....but maybe they did it so they could fuck up Overwatch so when anthem comes out it will have bigger market shear.

I am satirical!!! They are just greedy morons.
 

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Good Job EA,you might manage to fuck the whole loot crate/f2p/p2w system in the ass

:salute::salute::salute:
I'm just wondering what the word at ActiBlizz is at the moment. I imagine there's a lot of rumbling about those fucking retards at EA/DICE that reached too far and now may end up buttfucking them all.

That said, it was bound to happen sooner or later, to one degree or another. I just hope that the entire business model ends up getting their shit pushed in, although I doubt it'll be something that radical, at least not within the foreseeable future.

Just getting gambling aspects fucked would be a pretty good step, though. Microtransaction schemes in general, though, that might end up being a tougher nut to crack.
 

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That's a very good question indeed, after all the Belgians singled out both EA's Battlefront AND Blizzard's Overwatch as examples of games that try to get children addicted to gambling, even though Blizzard was maintaining that Overwatch lootboxes should have no reason to be considered gambling due to their rewards being purely cosmetic, the regulators disagree apparently.
 

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I don't think that regulators give a shit if your lootboxes give weapons, cosmetics or what else. They care about mechanisms behind the lootboxes.
 

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If there is a %age involved in getting stuff from lootboxes, it is gambling. If the thing is fixed, i.e., you buy X lootbox, you will always get X, then it isn't. The problem has always been the drop chance itself. That's the gambling component, and the worst part is that it is targeted at kids. I have seen people buy 600+ lootboxes at 70c a pop just to get what they want. That is a drop rate that puts crooked casinos to shame.

The lootboxes are the reason why the CEO of R2 Games accurately call those kind of players $100,000 whales.
 

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