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Suikoden

Discussion in 'jRPG Weeaboo Discussion' started by Hobo Elf, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Rahdulan Arcane

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    It does, but it was early PS2 and Konami obviously didn't have the budget of Final Fantasy allocated to Suikoden 3. Some would argue Suikoden only really transitioned well to 3D in the last core entry.

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  2. Make America Great Again e-mailio estevez Arcane

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    I've always wanted to play one of these games, but feel like completionist OCD would never allow me to truly enjoy them. Do you need a guide to get all of the 108 characters? Is it not that big a deal to miss a few of them?
     
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  3. Hyperion Savant

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    Most of them involve needing 107 stars to get the 108th who is either dead, dies, or a misguided asshole turned traitor. Most of them had a few missable characters. I'd say the further in the series you went, the more obscure recruitment became. I find Suikoden V the most frustrating, and requiring of a guide compared to the others. I also find it the hardest to play to completion because it gets boring pretty quickly, heh.
     
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  4. abnaxus Arcane

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    You need 108 for the 'best' ending but in 3 at least that doesn't account for much.
     
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  5. yes plz Arcane

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    Having all 108 SoD in S3 also unlocked a bonus chapter that had you play as Luc, seeing some of the events from his POV.
     
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  6. Indranys Learned

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    Holy hell, after all this time, Luca Blight is still the best character in the entire series men.
    Damn I miss him but I can't stand jrpg gameplay anymore.
     
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  7. TorontRayne Savant

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    I've been trying to psyche myself up to play this. I got it on PS3 hoping to play it through the Vita Crossplay feature, but that stuff is a bit too cumbersome to just boot up out of the blue. JRPG's also are incredibly hard for me to get into these days. I think my problem is I would prefer to play it on the system it originally came out on.
     
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  8. InD_ImaginE Savant

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    I miss the series :(

    2>1=5>3>4 for me. Suikoden 5 in fact borrows A LOT from 1 and 2 in terms of plot points and gameplay.

    Although the game is rather easy (you can have the meteor girl equips rune that restores 1 random Rune charge when she hit an enemy, basically infinite meteor), Suikoden 5 has by far the best battle system. Basically improved version of Suikoden 1 and 2.

    Although the 3D in the battle is rather simplistic it is also much better than the awkward quality in 3 and 4.

    Sigh. Maybe somebody will buy the IP off Konami. Or make similar series and name it Water Margin or something instead.
     
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  9. Suicidal Magister

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    Suikoden 1&2 were some of the very few non-dungeon crawler JRPGs I actually liked. Now that the PS2 emulator is no longer a piece of shit, would you guys recommend playing 3,4 and 5? I see a lot of people are saying 4 sucks, so would I miss anything story-wise if I skipped it. Are the stories even connected?
     
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  10. Krivol Arbiter

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    In Suikoden 1 you can literally kill your pap. Priceless!
     
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  11. abnaxus Arcane

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    Ted from Suikoden 1 is a party member in 4. That's all.
     
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  12. yes plz Arcane

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    Suikoden V references (and even has a small section take place in) some of the places, events, and people that were in S4, though it's nothing that would make the plot incomprehensible if you weren't aware of the references. Then, of course, is Suikoden Tactics, which is a direct sequel to Suikoden 4.

    As for the plots connecting in general, the mainline series of Suikoden 1 - 5 (plus the side games Tactics and the Suikogaiden series) all take place in the same universe and have pretty tight continuity with various subplots continuing into different games. Suikoden 3 is easily the most continuity heavy of the series.
     
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  13. SerratedBiz Magister

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    Suikoden 5 was pretty good in combat, plot (although so lengthy) and characters, but they switched the battle mode to RTwP (I think? maybe just RT) and that sucked ass. Still, 2>1>5>4/3 is about right.
     
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  14. abnaxus Arcane

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    There are so many OP unite attacks in 4 hitting entire enemy groups that the game becomes a joke. Thought the unite between protagonist and Kika was OP, but the Beauty Attack of Kika, Jeane and some other chick does 2,000 damage at times. But many other characters have ridiculous combos like this. A mage is not even needed safe maybe against certain boss enemies.

    In previous games at least you could either use AoE unite once or either characters became unbalanced.
     
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  15. Deflowerer Learned

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    Love the series too, although they are so fucking easy. You can autobattle through everything.

    Saw that someone made a hard mode patch for Suiko1 at least, and from the looks of it it seemed quite reasonable (ie no retardo hard). Might try it out actually. All the games in the series would benefit from it.
     
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  16. abnaxus Arcane

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    Started Suikoden V.

    "Prince! There it is: Sol-Falena"

    9-year-old looking "bodyguard" with a high-pitched squeaky voice. This is a worse first impression than the duck from 3.

    Alenia should've been bodyguard.
     
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  17. Hyperion Savant

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    Modern JRPG's really don't like pragmatic PC's because your average teenage dipshit can't comprehend it.

    Strangely though, Sgt. Joe was one of the better supporting characters in the series. Were he a human he'd probably be a popular favorite.
     
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  18. Rahdulan Arcane

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    I am amazed there are people who actually like Lyon. Not only is she a blatant waifu bait who gets it into her head she has some claim on the MC, but also that annoying walking "hint book" stating what you should be doing next that never ever shuts up about it and butts into every conversation possible. I mean, this was always in Suikoden games like how you could go back to the war room and talk to people in order to remind you what your next course of action should be in Suikoden 2, for example, but it was never in-your-face like this.

    Also, story asspull I don't want to spoil.
     
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  19. yes plz Arcane

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    yes, we all know the best SV waifu was Lym
     
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  20. Indranys Learned

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    The hottie auntie made that little shit bearable enough for me though.
    :bounce:
     
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  21. Reinhardt Arcane

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    Zerase best girl.
     
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  22. InD_ImaginE Savant

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    I really like the ducks in 3 :(

    And yeah Lyon is obvious waifu bait. She and the Prince being a packet is pretty much official in one of the ending anyway. I like her tho :desu:
     
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  23. yes plz Arcane

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    sgt. joe ruled

    who can dislike a serious soldier duck swinging around a halbert
     
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  24. abnaxus Arcane

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    if Prince insists on saving his imouto during palace attack the chibi bodyguard actually knocks him out
     
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  25. yes plz Arcane

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    Speaking of waifus, I'm surprised none of the Suikodens ever did any sort of affection system like Persona 3 - 5 or even the .hack//G.U. series did. Although I guess it'd only really work for 2 and 5 since their heroes don't really have regular True Runes and thus potentially aren't immortal, avoiding the somewhat dark ending to any relationship of the hero never aging like hinted at in S2 if you recruit McDohl with Kasumi in your party.
     
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