The Fire Emblem Thread

[aweigh]

We've seen translators admit that they rewrite parts of the script because they think they can do a better job than the original writer.

this is almost always correct. japs are not good writers.

 

[GrainWetski]

All those memes surely improve the games.

"Almost always" would have to include the recent NoA crap.

 

[TigerKnee]

this is almost always correct. japs are not good writers.

Their replacements aren't really any better.

Let's face it - most people with any sort of writing talent can get better work in just about every other medium.

 

[Blaine]

They've managed to find technically competent writers and/or proofreaders with sizable vocabularies. There are very few typos or awkwardly-worded sentences in localized Japanese games these days, and complicated words are used sparingly and appropriately.

Unfortunately, the actual content is typically childish and silly.

 

[Amn Nom]

Finished Conquest and really enjoyed it. The actual gameplay is some of the best in the series and well worth a look if you enjoyed the other games. I'm pretending Corrin is actually crazy and everything is in her head, it makes the terrible writing almost not cringeworthy. Almost.

 

[Siveon]

Finished Conquest and really enjoyed it. The actual gameplay is some of the best in the series and well worth a look if you enjoyed the other games. I'm pretending Corrin is actually crazy and everything is in her head, it makes the terrible writing almost not cringeworthy. Almost.

Have you played all the other Fire Emblem games? For comparison's sake, of course.

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Reading this thread is making me want to play Fire Emblem again. Any of 'em, maybe even Awakening. Okay, no, not Awakening. I'll start the marathon with 3, and see where that goes from there.

 

[Blaine]

I think Sacred Stones might have been my first Fire Emblem game, since they didn't bother to port a lot of the series in its earlier incarnations, and possibly also because the screenshots made it look like some kind of gimmicky Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots (the zoomed-in one vs. one battles).

One of my fonder memories from that era was Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis, which I very rarely see mentioned.

 

[Amn Nom]

Finished Conquest and really enjoyed it. The actual gameplay is some of the best in the series and well worth a look if you enjoyed the other games. I'm pretending Corrin is actually crazy and everything is in her head, it makes the terrible writing almost not cringeworthy. Almost.

Have you played all the other Fire Emblem games? For comparison's sake, of course.

I've finished Conquest, Blazing Sword, Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance, and Awakening. Did up to part 3 in Radiant Dawn, I only quit that because real life got in the way.

Also did about six chapters in Sword of Seals. Something about the game just didn't click for me, which is odd because I love Blazing Sword. I put it down and haven't went back yet.

Did the prologue for Genealogy of the Holy War, dunno why I haven't played the rest yet. Played a fair bit of Mystery of the New Emblem remake and just wasn't feeling it.

Not touching Shadow Dragon or Gaiden because of the reputation. Thracia 776 I'm waiting on the retranslation fan-patch to play properly, heard the existing ones are pretty bad.

 

[Siveon]

Oh, cool, you have about my exact experience. I'll trust you on Conquest then, but I really want to wait so fans can gut out what NoA did to that game. Not every game has the luxury, so I might as well.

So, I just booted up Generations and -- oh lord. This may sound casual but I did at least enjoy knowing whenever I'm going to do a follow up move. Now I either guess or do first grade math on every encounter. Muh x2 (at least 4 compared stats on the same screen). I'm guessing most people did the former, but I could be wrong. I might just skip to 4 honestly.

Not touching Shadow Dragon or Gaiden because of the reputation. Thracia 776 I'm waiting on the retranslation fan-patch to play properly, heard the existing ones are pretty bad.

Do touch Shadow Dragon. Fuck reputation, if you can stand Awakening you can enjoy Shadow Dragon. This coming from the guy that initially dropped Shadow Dragon because of the terrible DS graphics. The sequel I heard was pretty good too. I think it included the gaiden chapters, IIRC, but I'm never 100% with the information I remember.

Same for Thracia, I didn't like what I tried out. It'll take awhile though..

 

[Blaine]

It's pretty sad that the graphics in Sacred Stones look better than the graphics in Shadow Dragon.

 

[Siveon]

It's pretty sad that the graphics in Sacred Stones look better than the graphics in Shadow Dragon.

Sacred Stones had great graphics for the GBA. In fact I'd say it's the best looking GBA Fire Emblem game. That said:

My eyes.

 

[Blaine]

Unit design is one aspect in which FFT will probably never be beat. It's pure 2D visual incline across the board.

http://www.videogamesprites.net/FinalFantasyTactics/Jobs/

FE's sprites and 3D models look good and (for the most part) always have, but not that good.

 

[TigerKnee]

If he's not feeling it for New Mystery, there's not much of a chance he'll feel it for Shadow Dragon, because New Mystery is basically SD with the retarded parts taken out (Intentionally lose character for gaiden chapters!)

 

[Siveon]

Well, you could easily ignore the gaiden chapters (I don't think the kills were mandatory, except for the first one?). The original game didn't even have them in the first place (not the death, the gaiden chapters). It's a shit concept, yeah, but I think they were trying to fix something with all the extra characters players can acquire. They failed of course. The sequel to that game removed it though (which I heard was much better), and it would feel odd to play the precursor to that game on the NES or SNES.

 

[Archibald]

One of my fonder memories from that era was Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis, which I very rarely see mentioned.

True that, sometimes it look like FFT is only game in its genre and nothing else was ever made.

 

[Avellion]

The delicious drama. Coming from this game's terrible localization. I hope Nintendo is paying attention, I have never seen it this loud before over censorship.

Spoiler

The only good thing to ever come from Treehouse was Kid Icarus: Uprising, but even there, they hired an actual comedian as opposed to letting one of their hacks do it.

 

[Utgard-Loki]

fastest selling fire emblem.

cue the "boycott modern warfare 2" steam picture.

 

[TigerKnee]

I hope Nintendo is paying attention.

Yeah, I'm sure they're crying about it over the 300k sales.

Let's face it - unfortunately this game was a commercial success, which means they're not going to give a shit

 

[Blaine]

Whining at Nintendo won't accomplish anything. Whining is what SJWs do for a living, and you can't beat them at their own game. In a literal sense, they top out in hack-y, just-barely-better-than-a-loser "professions" like blogging, games "journalism," YouTubing, administrating small-time websites, writing for BioWare, and writing for Nintendo. Starbucks can't employ ALL of the liberal white English majors out there, sad though that may be.

Don't blame Nintendo, though. Childish translations, censorship, stances on sexuality custom-tailored to demonize straight male sexuality... these are all symptoms. The underlying cause of the disease must be addressed at its source, preferably by blasting all SJWs into outer space, but since that seems improbable, there may be another way:

Spoiler

 

[Malpercio]

lol, as if the average pep knows or even cares about the censorship shenanigans. Of course people spamming twitter hashtags and making facebook pictures weren't going to change things. Welcome to the real world.

Don't blame Nintendo, though. Childish translations, censorship, stances on sexuality custom-tailored to demonize straight male sexuality... these are all symptoms. The underlying cause of the disease must be addressed at its source, preferably by blasting all SJWs into outer space, but since that seems improbable, there may be another way:

Spoiler

The crazy thing is, I don't even know if people are joking or not when posting this.

 

[Blaine]

Yeah, Donald Trump is this crazy joke, see, but Hillary Clinton... now, there's an aboveboard candidate whom fully sane people ought to vote for after Bernie Sanders concedes (even if he's the more popular candidate, thanks to DNC superdelegates).

In this context, yes, it's essentially a joke, although as far as the powers of the executive branch extend, Clinton will absolutely be a huge enabler of and sympathetic ear to SJW whining, if only to pander to her constituents. Trump will win the Republican nomination, so if you're anti-Trump, then you are by default pro-Clinton, because that's going to be the alternative. If so, there's no point whining about SJWs, since you favor their enabling political party for the sake of more sane leftist and socialist ideals, almost none of which are actually implemented by Democratic Presidents. See: Barack Obama.

A little more on topic: It's true that the vast majority of people aren't aware of or don't care about the controversy (I for one appreciate Malpercio restating the obvious for probably the 10th time in this thread), and it is also true that the SJWs who are behind this sort of censorship and thought policing by and large don't buy Nintendo's games, either. By the same token, a tiny fraction of anti-censorship dissenters boycotting their games isn't even going to ping Nintendo's radar.

 

[Zanzoken]

I'm glad the game is selling well if for no other reason than it provides more incentive for people to make SRPGs. Fire Emblem is cool but I feel like the genre is capable of a lot more.

The dream-game-that-lives-in-my-head is basically FE style battles but with a Mount & Blade type strategy layer over top of it, where you have to play politics and build a loyal faction in order to win the war.

 

[Avellion]

I hope Nintendo is paying attention.

Yeah, I'm sure they're crying about it over the 300k sales.

Let's face it - unfortunately this game was a commercial success, which means they're not going to give a shit

Considering how they reverted from some of Brawl's design choices in SSB4, despite the commercial success of the former. I wouldnt rule it out. Conquest outselling Awakening (at this point in time) is great news. But Birthright slightly outselling Conquest is not.

 

[Archibald]

Isn't this thing common with USA translations? I remember seeing some Zelda retardo comparisons between versions so I don't think that FE can really change anything in this context.

 

[Siveon]

If you mean Nintendo of America, then yes. At least lately, since they announced (forgot where) that they were going to add more cultural references and memes into their translations. Although Nintendo of course loved to try and take out the gross Japanese stuff beforehand, but now it's almost worse than their NES pentagram removing days. Other American translators such as XSEED or Atlus do not usually put memes into their work.

It's all we can freaking ask for.