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The New World Update #22

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http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/index.php/topic,7520.0.html

CSG update #22 - The Leaders of Tomorrow!

A setting is defined by the factions it spawns. For example, 9th century England is not defined by dudes sporting swords and chainmail but by the warring kingdoms, Viking factions, puppet rulers, the Danelaw, and a clash of religions. In turn, the factions are defined by their leaders who reflect the current state of affairs, and the leaders are defined by the challenges they face.

Thus the time has come for you to meet the finest sons and daughters of Starfarer: the elected, appointed, hand-picked, hereditary, and self-proclaimed leaders who hold the fate of the Ship’s inhabitants in their hands. Let’s start with the three main factions fighting for control over the Habitat – the central living complex housing 80% of the Ship’s population. For more information on the Ship’s factions, see our website:

http://irontowerstudio.com/new-world-factions

PROTECTORS OF THE MISSION

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When Silas Reis was promoted, he was handed the same unfulfilled mandate as every Commander before him: restore order. The meaning of this directive was simple: to exterminate the Brotherhood wherever they skulked, crawled or hid, and finally end the generations-long Mutiny. If Reis were to doubt the likelihood of carrying out this objective, he was careful never to acknowledge it. Defeatism is heresy, and heresy is punishable by death.

Every member of the Mission Control Council which appointed Reis could trace his lineage back to the original crew. Since these wise elders occupied a perch far above reproach, any failure in furthering the directive must lie with the Commander. Failure at this level was also punishable by death.

Silas’ mentor, Commander Matheson, had been eight years in the role before his execution at the Council's order. They gave no reason for their decision but it was widely believed Matheson had been too timid in his persecution of mutinous filth. Immediately after his promotion ceremony, Commander Reis began planning a major assault against the Brotherhood. Whether or not his tenure would end in execution, no one would call him timid.

BROTHERHOOD OF LIBERTY

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Bill Hanson, the Chairman of the Brotherhood's Executive Council, has served longer in that position than anyone before him due to his deft handling of the Council itself - a nest of bickering, backstabbing vipers. They were a never-ending headache and more dangerous, in Bill's opinion, than their archenemies, those blowhard fools calling themselves the 'Protectors of the Mission'.

In order to keep their teeth off his throat so he could bloody think for a goddamned minute, Bill had orchestrated a few small victories for the Protectors. The rapid reversal of those victories proved that the Chairman was a necessary evil to keep people safe, and talk of removing him from power had finally died down.

Taking advantage of this tiny bit of breathing room, Chairman Hanson had established an understanding with the Protectors' Commander Matheson, which may have blossomed into a working relationship and - just imagine it - an end to the hostilities. Then one of the snakes on the Council got wind of it and scuttled the whole deal.

Matheson was executed shortly thereafter and the Protectors appointed Colonel Reis, a known straight-edge and all round git, in his place. To Bill's mind, this kind of instability and rapid change didn't bode well for anyone. As for the Councilman who got Bill's maybe-friend killed... well, if there's one thing he could not abide, it was a snitch.

CHURCH OF THE ELECT

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Chaplain-General Abraham Davis had been chosen by God to battle the Devil aboard Starfarer and to deliver her crew from evil. It was at times a wearisome burden. Some of his flock questioned the Devil's very existence. Hadn't they left the Father of Lies behind on Earth? Weren't they flying away from sin, and through the heavens at that? But Davis knew better, for God had opened his eyes.

The Mutiny had not been made by man. It was one of the Devil's sideways deceptions, pushing folks to choose either Protectors or Brotherhood as their saviors when both were the Devil's guises, diversions from the true path.

A less experienced leader would have struck at once. The two groups had been weakened by their endless skirmishing. But to bring the Church into their conflict prematurely, to leave themselves vulnerable to a counterattack, would invite the infection of the enemy's lies. The Chaplain-General was no such fool. He knew that once the Devil has made his home inside your door, no military victory would save you.

Instead, Abraham would bide his time and watch the two deluded factions like a hunter scouting dangerous prey. He would learn the enemy's habits and weaknesses. Sooner or later the Devil will make a mistake and then Abraham will strike. Then will be revealed the power and fury of the Lord.

* * *

Next we have 4 lesser but nonetheless important factions: the Covenant, House of Ecclesiastes, the Pit, and the Grangers:

PEOPLE OF THE COVENANT

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As happens every generation, when old age had left the Great Mother too withered and bent for her duties, she turned to her Handmaidens, the unquestioning instruments of the Mother’s will on the Ship. From among these young women her successor would be selected based on her intelligence, and most importantly, unemotional good judgement.

After seventeen long years of service, Pale Glow was chosen to wear the ceremonial hazmat helmet and sacrifice all ties to family and friends. Upon the Mother’s death, she would become matriarch of all mutants, her edicts more binding than law, for they are not subject to argument or appeal.

Her fellow Handmaidens she would know no more, as they took on the mantle of the Harbingers and scattered to every distant corner of the world. The Harbingers’ duty is to spread the word of God to the un-marked masses outside the collective, those passengers doomed to remain on the Ship during the implosion of Judgement Day.

With the old Handmaidens disbanded, it would fall to Pale Glow to select a new group of young mutant females to serve alongside her until age and infirmity would force the cycle to turn once again, until the Dawn.

/to read more about the mutants' origin and history or see what they look like without fancy helmets, click here

HOUSE OF ECCLESIASTES

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John Miller was nearly seventy when he decided to step down and pass the Chief Technical Officer chevrons to his daughter Ava. When the Mutiny broke out, his grandfather promptly sealed the Environmental Control and Life Support System center, declaring that neither side will use the ECLSS in their war. Those who wished to leave were allowed to do so; the rest remained with CTO Miller, committed to supporting life on the Ship.

Fearing that the ECLSS will fall apart after his death, Miller reshaped it into a religious, monastic order, following the teaching of Ecclesiastes: “one generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.” The struggles outside the hallowed halls of the ECLSS were meaningless squabbles of children who didn’t know better. There was no greater purpose than serving the Ship and supporting life.

Over the decades the conditions slowly worsened and by the time Ava Miller took over, most systems operated far below their capacity. The length of the voyage had exceeded the ECLSS capabilities a long time ago and it was a miracle that it was still operational.

Thus Ava faced a dilemma. The ECLSS needed help fast but requesting it, let alone accepting it, threatened everything her family built. She knew enough of the outside world to know that such help would come with strings attached, that whoever helps her will control the ECLSS whether she wants to or not. On the other hand, doing nothing like her father had done, will doom both the ECLSS and the Ship sooner rather than later.

THE PIT

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Wasteland is the affectionate name used to describe the now uncharted miles of scorched corridors and decks that bore the brunt of the fighting during the Mutiny. It is even rumored that the hull has been breached in certain sections, leaving them open to the void of space. This unstable no-man's-land is the principal hunting ground for folks willing to gamble their lives against the chance of finding old and outlawed tech.

For a scavenger, Jonas Redford was more successful and more ambitious than most. One of the key difficulties for a professional scav is to extract your finds as quickly as possible, since anyone else stumbling across your good fortune will quickly try to make it their own. In order to facilitate more efficient runs into the Wasteland, Jonas set up a base camp in Cargo Hold #3, right next to the action. Such a good idea couldn't remain secret for long, and his fellow scavengers soon began pitching their tents nearby. With its increasing popularity, the camp attracted a growing crowd of traders, whores, and other hangers-on, and people began to see it as a rugged alternative to the Habitat, which promised safety, but insisted on submission in exchange.

At some point Jonas realized that more money was waiting to be made right there in the Pit, as it had come to be called, than out in the Wasteland. Thus he opened The Promised Land, the finest and only whorehouse in town. The success of this venture, and his own popularity, led to his role today as the de facto mayor of this frontier town.

* * *

THE GRANGERS

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The Hydroponics Division was originally conceived to adapt Terran plants to both the anticipated environment of Proxima Centauri, and to unanticipated threats. Extensive gene-editing was employed to develop resistance to alien fungi and pests, and accelerated adaptation hacked into the plants' genetic code.

Like many other critical systems, Hydroponics was abandoned during the Mutiny. The carefully cultivated flora and fauna was left on its own in harsh environs designed to propagate rapid and brutal evolutionary cycles.

When human beings finally decided to reclaim Hydroponics, they discovered an environment as wild and hostile as any Earth jungle: animate vegetable guardians that would attack any warm-blooded thing, and a virulent fungus whose spores could kill a man in minutes.

Carlos Maney was one of the few to survive the first expedition. What he had learned from that foray earned him a well-paid position as leader of the second expedition. He was also the only one willing to return. The second expedition also failed to secure any kind of foothold, but Carlos was now able to recognize the dangers and had developed a new strategy: coexistence over extermination.

He mounted the third expedition himself, at little cost since the equipment left behind by his predecessors was free for the taking. Within a month, Carlos and his team had reclaimed the first Tower and were supplying the Pit with edible algae and leaves. They call themselves the Grangers and need little in the way of arms or security. The environment itself is enough to deter any but the most foolhardy.

* * *

Last but not the least we have three distinguished groups of fighting men (not counting the various gangs): the Regulators, Jackson’s Riflemen, and Thy Brother’s Keepers.

THE REGULATORS

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Rumor has it that Captain Braxton once served a higher power, that in the days before his crisis of faith and the subsequent falling out with the Church of the Elect he was known as Faithful Gunner Jeremiah Braxton. Speculation about why he left is abundant, but as is often the case no story is more compelling than the others.

Backed up by a few like-minded men and picking up more willing recruits along the way, Braxton left the Church behind and ended up in the Pit, a place where reliable fighting men are always in demand. Around the time of his arrival, the Brotherhood had started showing a keen interest in the Pit, eager to establish a foothold there. Braxton and his newly christened Regulators offered the good people of the Pit their services and after much debate they were hired to drive the Brotherhood’s men out, which was accomplished with brutal efficiency.

JACKSON’S RIFLEMEN

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Adopted by one of the gangs roaming the shattered compartments of the Factory, Moses Jackson started learning his trade young. Home was a metal shelf, preferably high off the floor and with open sightlines, and what passed for meat had to be boiled in disinfectant, but despite the hardships he was free for the first time in his life.

At the end of his first real fight he earned a battered old energy pistol by stabbing a man to death. With no cells to arm it the pistol wasn't particularly useful, but he decided to keep it anyway. Moses was scavenging for a proper holster when his prize caught the eye of one of his mates. The man was six feet tall and scowled at the world through a single blue eye, having lost the other to radiation burns. He claimed the energy pistol for himself, as compensation for keeping Moe alive. A week later he vanished. No one knew for certain he'd been killed, since there was no body or blood, but shortly thereafter Moses was wearing the pistol again, now in a sleek leather holster. None of his other confederates thought it was worth taking since, they said, there was no ammunition for it anyway.

By the age of 25, Moses was running his own crew with some success. Thinking their superior numbers would carry the fight, he had attacked a group of mercenaries guarding a still-working rail transport. Moses had the numbers but the mercs were better armed, and when one of them got sprayed with the brains and blood of the man next to him, he didn't panic. He kept right on shooting. Moses lost half his crew in the assault and still didn’t secure the train. It was a costly lesson, but he learned to temper his ambition with consideration and better planning. Over the following year, he came to be known for picking the right jobs, for sniffing out trouble and finding a way around it.

When the time was right, Moses set his sights on an even bigger prize. The Shuttle Bay was a well-fortified base with a machine shop specializing in custom weapons. After many months of intelligence gathering, and finding and training the right people, Moses’s crew took the Shuttle Bay in an action that people in the Factory and the Pit would be talking about for a long while.

Though he seemed to be sitting pretty now, Moses Jackson never forgot his most important lesson, the first the Factory had taught him: it's not enough to get what you want. You must be ready to defend it against anyone willing to take it from you. To that end, he hasn’t stopped improving his crew, their armaments, and their training. Everything points to Moses becoming a major player, perhaps the major player, outside of the Habitat.

THY BROTHER’S KEEPERS

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Thomas Stanton had always been good with guns so it made sense that's where he would make his living. Robbing traders and prospectors would have been the obvious choice. The payoff was quick but picking targets was risky work, and the chance of a fatal error always high. Instead, he organized a small crew to offer protection services. They called themselves Thy Brothers' Keepers and quickly established a name for reliable service in the Wasteland.

It was around this time that traffic through the Factory sharply increased, and when Tommy caught wind of the escalating violence that came with it, he smelled opportunity. He relocated his entire operation to the Factory, a decision which at first looked like a serious mistake. The Keepers lost more men on their first day in the dead city than they would have on a paying job. In return they had advanced all of four blocks. That’s when the idea of the Toll Road was born.

Leaving the rubble-choked ground level to the gangs, Tommy and his Keepers secured the remains of the rail overpass and the upper floors of a few key buildings. High above the strife and mayhem of the Factory floor, they began work on establishing a safe route through the area. The first month was rough; their waypoints were attacked almost daily. But the ragtag gangs didn't have the organization or mentality to maintain a real siege. The Keepers fortified their positions while their attackers received an education in the many disadvantages of attacking from low ground.

The rough part is all behind them now, and Tommy's business is flourishing under the best conditions: he offers what nobody else can, and is free to name the price for his services. Since Tommy decided on quite a high price, he's also keen to discourage competition. The Keepers have a standing order to fire on anyone armed or suspicious looking who isn't under their protection, making it impossible for anyone else to get a foothold in the Factory.

/The missing portraits will be added in the next few days so stay tuned.
 

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I don't like the political correctness on this, even Vince is afraid that someone might get offended if the colonists were all white. I also don't like the way (fake) church is being presented but whatever. If the game will turn out great this won't matter that much, for now I want to be prepared for a disaster to not end up disappointed. At this point though I'm sure it will be way less interesting than AoD which is perfect for my tastes so naturally it can only get worse from there (waiting on being proved wrong in 2022).
Goral criticizing Iron Tower devs? Have the hell frozen?
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I've criticized AoD quite often (also on RPG Codex), especially when it wasn't in 1.0 state, you just don't know it. As for my fanboy tag, weaboo-lover Crooked Bee got butthurt and gave it to me and it was at the time I've practically stopped writing about AoD, my "fanboyness" is the same as Fallout fanboyness of most users here (and when you look at Underrail subforum you will see some real fanboys who got butthurt, created threads about me because I didn't praise Underrail enough and praised AoD too much in comparison).

Anyway, so far IT is a one-trick pony and not wanting to spoil myself too much I'm not following all the news that closely, only bits and pieces. Which is why when I see a nigger "bishop" I'm starting to be concerned how far it will go.
 

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I'm a dumbfuck and I can't find Goral's original posts if there any, but, uh, who cares if the dude is black? Does everybody have to be white or it's SJW? I'm actually curious, because to me I don't give a shit if he's black white yellow, but I do give a shit if he's shoehorned "LET ME TELL YA BOUT SLAVERY" artificial shitty written black, none of which I've seen yet.

In that thread the random guy going "uh but he's not HUGE AND MUSCLY he cant be a general hurr durr". Christ, the fact that there's a jpeg on the internet doesn't mean you have to summon every memory from your television-watching life to try and "analyse" it.
 

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The character is indeed inspired by Cardinal Sarah. Just look at that stare:

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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edwa...ises-cardinal-sarah-for-his-prophetic-witness

Commenting on the book, Archbishop Gänswein, who also serves as prefect of the Pontifical Household, said every generation faces giving in to a “totalitarian temptation” that always accompanies the history of the Church “like a shadow”.

Today, he said, it is manifested in the West’s attempt to “overturn, step by step, the natural law at the behest of globally active pressure groups”.

He mentioned gender ideology as an example, adding that the intolerance of secularism is “nothing more than a new pseudo-religion” which once again “takes up where the totalitarian ideologies of the last century left off.” Similarly, he warned that when the state becomes a religion, it is “horrifically expressed in the so-called Islamic State.”
...

Archbishop Gänswein went on to say that ‘God or Nothing’ is a radical book in the sense of taking us back to the “roots of our faith.” It “opens our eyes” to the fact that “new forms of indifference to God are not just mental deviations one can simply ignore”, but represent “an existential threat to human civilization par excellence.”

Actively proclaiming the Gospel is “gaining urgency” in this “precarious situation”, the German prelate said, and “in this hour he [Cardinal Sarah] arises, prophetically.” Revelation, he reminded those present, “must not be adapted to the world” as the world “wants to devour God." But God, on the other hand, "wants to attract and convince us and the world.”

He stressed that the book is neither “a manifesto nor a polemic” but a “guide to God who has shown his face in Jesus Christ”. He also said it is a Vademecum (handbook) for the upcoming Jubilee Year which can teach “valuable lessons about the nature of mercy.”

"Mercy and rigor of teaching can only exist together," Archbishop Gänswein said, quoting the great Dominican theologian, Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange. "The Church is in her principles intolerant, because she believes, and she is tolerant in practice, because she loves. The enemies of the Church are tolerant with regards to the principles because they do not believe, and they are intolerant in practice because they do not love”.
 

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I don't like the political correctness on this...
Acknowledging basic facts (the racial makeup of the United States that's already over 200 years old; older if we go back to the pre-independence days) is not a form of political correctness. It's like saying that the grass is green.

... even Vince is afraid that someone might get offended if the colonists were all white.
Why would they be all white? Was the Ship launched by the Ku Klux Klan?

I also don't like the way (fake) church is being presented but whatever.
Why? If a man is a true believer, he can't believes in God alone but dismiss the devil as fairy tales. It's a package deal. One implies the existence of the other. Thus it makes sense that a true believer would blame all corruption on the devil and think that the devil was responsible for the mutiny by corrupting weaker men.
 

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I can't find Goral's original posts if there any
What do you mean by "original posts"? Criticizing the game? Here's one of the examples (I'm too lazy to show you the rest): http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...nce-november-update.78398/page-2#post-2393773
Most recent ones mainly refer to Dungeon Rats.

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I know there are black priests/bishops/cardinals but they're in minority (their numbers are miniscule in fact).

Acknowledging basic facts (the racial makeup of the United States that's already over 200 years old; older if we go back to the pre-independence days) is not a form of political correctness.
How many of blacks are religious? And how many of them are bishops? If you're basing this on current times American demography it would be rather unlikely that blacks would end up in the ship because:

a) they would be useless there since only a few would be intelligent enough and experienced enough (how many black engineers there are, how many blacks have done something useful for mankind? How many of them won the Nobel prize?), even if it would be a colony ship they would surely be very selective

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Rome 2000 years ago and Africa today:
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Africa 1000 years ago and Africa last Tuesday:
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b) niggers are still a minority in USA/Canada so we're talking about a minority of a minority

Why would they be all white? Was the Ship launched by the Ku Klux Klan?
Were there blacks in Orphans of the Sky? Was Henlein a hidden nazi then or a KKK member? Didn't think so. In Poland there are almost no niggers. In my whole life I've seen less than 10 of them in RL (it's closer to 5 in reality but I wrote 10 in case I forgot someone), they're just too rare (mainly because we have low social benefits and niggers don't like to work). My perception is different than American's and when I see a nigger on a tv it's usually because he raped someone or killed someone (not counting movies). And the only intelligent nigger I know is Neil Tyson and actually he's half-nigger (a mulatto) which explains his higher than average intelligence.
Thus it makes sense that a true believer would blame all corruption on the devil and think that the devil was responsible for the mutiny by corrupting weaker men.
In catholic faith devil isn't presented as source of all evil but only as someone who suggests certain things and we do the rest. Hence WE are to blame for our sins and we can't say that "the devil told me to do so and so, You can't blame me, it wasn't me". Otherwise confession wouldn't be necessary because unless you have mortal sin (and to have mortal sin you must be aware of a sin and do it anyways) you can take Communion.

Anyway, I don't see why an all white ship would be strange (the way I see it only SJWs would be triggered by something like it).
 
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Yet you seem to get triggered by a black guy being on the ship. Two sides, same coin ?
Thought that someone might mention it but I'm not that triggered, I've only clicked "decline" button two times and responded here only because you've asked. I'm concerned when I see another nigger in another game because nowadays EVERY game has to have at least one it seems and EVERY other media too (see BBC making Achilles a nigger or Gwen from Merlin is a nigger or in SW we have a nigger as one of the main characters, etc. etc.), my response is a reaction to SJW nonsense.
 

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Goral I thought there were some posts elsewhere, but it's probably my reading comprehension failure

But all this statistical speculation you're doing, isn't it the same kind of forced 'analysis' that Gaius guy was doing in the ITS forums? Are you saying that every time someone puts, say, a sausage seller in an RPG, they should analyse the statistical distribution of sausage sellers' race and age in the US? What does that do to artistic creativity?

Again, the point where I criticise SJW shit is when it starts to police artistic creativity and demand that there's a black hero just cause, etc. Isn't it similarly artificial and curmudgeony to overanalyse every black character and argue how likely or unlikely it is that the priest would be black?

Extrapolations of this kind isn't even conclusive; when you're dealing in alternative futures or other fictional settings you can't really give conclusive evidence as to why there must have been no blacks or there must have been plenty, and that's where the creator's artistic license comes into it. (The exception is if it's completely and utterly implausible, e.g. an expedition launched from early colonial Europe just happens to have a black captain and a black lieutenant - then that's just dumb, no matter what my politics are. But this doesn't seem at all the case here.)

Have all the black dudes or none, I don't see why it matters or why it's a cause for suspicion of decline, unless it starts forcing SJW/nazi/whatever ideology down your throat. I mean the rest of the crew is straight down the road powerful white male stuff, but anybody complaining that the game is 'insufficiently diverse' just by looking at the faces, I would dismiss in the same way. I'm really not interested in policing Vince or any other creator at that level.
 

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I know there are black priests/bishops/cardinals but they're in minority (their numbers are miniscule in fact).
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/cultural-diversity/african-american/demographics/index.cfm

  • There are 3 million African American Catholics in the United States.

  • Of Roman Catholic parishes in the United States, 798 are considered to be predominantly African American. Most of those continue to be on the East Coast and in the South. Further west of the Mississippi River, African American Catholics are more likely to be immersed in multicultural parishes as opposed to predominantly African American parishes.

  • About 76% of African American Catholics are in diverse or shared parishes and 24% are in predominately African American parishes.

  • At present there are 15 living African American bishops, of whom 8 remain active.

  • Currently, six U.S. dioceses are headed by African American bishops, including one archdiocese.

  • There are 250 African American priests, 437 deacons, and 75 men of African descent in seminary formation for the priesthood in the United States.

How many of blacks are religious?
%-wise? Much higher than the whites. 79%, "in fact".

https://www.nbccongress.org/previous-congresses.html

a) they would be useless there since only a few would be intelligent enough and experienced enough (how many black engineers there are, how many blacks have done something useful for mankind? How many of them won the Nobel prize?), even if it would be a colony ship they would surely be very selective
Can you kindly keep this drivel out of our threads? Thanks in advance.

Didn't think so. In Poland there are almost no niggers. In my whole life I've seen less than 10 of them in RL (it's closer to 5 in reality but I wrote 10 in case I forgot someone), they're just too rare (mainly because we have low social benefits and niggers don't like to work). My perception is different than American's and when I see a nigger on a tv it's usually because he raped someone or killed someone (not counting movies). And the only intelligent nigger I know is Neil Tyson and actually he's half-nigger (a mulatto) which explains his higher than average intelligence.
I live in Canada (multiculturalism done right) and I worked in sales (a multicultural environment by definition) for 15 years. I worked with people from Jamaica, Trinidad, Shri-Lanka, Guyana, Pakistan, India, Iran, China, and many others. Poland too, actually. If the Polish reps shared your views once, they shed them a long time ago as it's very hard to carry this irrational hatred for people you're working side by side with, rely on, share a meal, have a drink together, etc. There are tons of businesses founded and managed by immigrants. I know that because hundreds of them were our clients and I've seen some truly inspiring success stories.

This isn't some propaganda or something I want to be true. This is my personal experience. You can dismiss it or take a moment and think about it.
 

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Ok. someone is triggerred by a religious black dude? And he also thought that blacks arent more religious than white in US? Lewd, i always portray black communities[the non criminal ones] as religiously strong, gospel singing and church attending.Doesnt matter if catholic/evangelical/lutheran.

Im more triggered by a lack of business cunning asian :P
 

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Well, Goral does say he's not exactly super bothered by this. I guess if you've never seen black people it can be hard to imagine what's fact-based and what's shoehorned, but the black bishop is, if anything, a racial stereotype in the American context.
 

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Well, Goral does say he's not exactly super bothered by this. I guess if you've never seen black people it can be hard to imagine what's fact-based and what's shoehorned, but the black bishop is, if anything, a racial stereotype in the American context.

Well im from Poland too, but i dont live in the cave/under the rock my whole life and know some obvious facts from the american culture/tradition.
 

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I know there are black priests/bishops/cardinals but they're in minority (their numbers are miniscule in fact).
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/cultural-diversity/african-american/demographics/index.cfm

  • There are 3 million African American Catholics in the United States.

  • Of Roman Catholic parishes in the United States, 798 are considered to be predominantly African American. Most of those continue to be on the East Coast and in the South. Further west of the Mississippi River, African American Catholics are more likely to be immersed in multicultural parishes as opposed to predominantly African American parishes.

  • About 76% of African American Catholics are in diverse or shared parishes and 24% are in predominately African American parishes.

  • At present there are 15 living African American bishops, of whom 8 remain active.

  • Currently, six U.S. dioceses are headed by African American bishops, including one archdiocese.

  • There are 250 African American priests, 437 deacons, and 75 men of African descent in seminary formation for the priesthood in the United States.

How many of blacks are religious?
%-wise? Much higher than the whites. 79%, "in fact".

https://www.nbccongress.org/previous-congresses.html.

Yes, if you are going to sperg out with a "realistic" approach to the racial demographics of a hypothetical American evangelical Christian* space expedition (as ridiculous and pointless as such an exercise would be), you'd probably have a higher proportion of black people compared to the general U.S. population on the ship, not less. Black Americans are on average more religious and attend services more often than White Americans.

In any case, I don't think it's relevant to the current circumstances of The Ship, as the Christianity of the Church of the Elect is almost certainly far different from the Christian faith as it was followed on Earth. This is something that I really hope will be explored in-depth in the game: how the context and environment in which people live ends up affecting the interpretation of scripture, which remains unchanged.

* Correct me if I'm wrong, Vince, but I always assumed that the initial pioneers of the expedition were Protestant Evangelical Christians, not Catholics.

One of the most bizarre and fascinating periods of history that I've ever read about has been the Taiping Rebellion.

In 1843, Hong failed the imperial examinations for the fourth and final time.[26] It was only then, prompted by a visit by his cousin, that Hong took time to carefully examine the Christian pamphlets he had received.[27] After reading these pamphlets, Hong came to believe that they had given him the key to interpreting his visions: his celestial father was God the Father (whom he identified with Shangdi from Chinese tradition), the elder brother that he had seen was Jesus Christ, and he had been directed to rid the world of demon worship.[28][29] This interpretation led him to conclude that he was the literal son of God and younger brother to Jesus.[30] In contrast to some of the later leaders of his movement, Hong appears to have genuinely believed in his ascent to Heaven and divine mission.[31] After coming to this conclusion Hong began destroying idols and enthusiastically preaching his interpretation of Christianity.[2] As a symbolic gesture to purge China of Confucianism, he and the cousin asked for two giant swords, three chi (about 1 metre) long and nine jin(about 4.5 kg), called the "demon-slaying swords" (斬妖劍), to be forged.[32]

The resulting civil war was one of the bloodiest in history, and a big part of it stemmed from one man's (completely wrong) interpretation of Christianity that he read off a pamphlet. Fucking crazy.
 

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I don't really want to harp on this race thing, but after what, six generations of a smaller sample of humanity, you would only have mixed skin leaning towards the majority pigment -with perhaps recessive traits like blue eyes a little less common- unless there was some racist reason for people not to mingle. Racism on a colony ship sounds disastrous, but we're talking about humans who risked their only means of survival on a mutiny. Vault Dweller, is there skin-based tribalism on board? Davis doesn't seem that dark and his eyes are blue so you probably thought this through already.

Oh, and it all looks great! Really excited about it.
 
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I don't really want to harp on this race thing, but after what, six generations of a smaller sample of humanity, you would only have mixed skin leaning towards the majority pigment -with perhaps recessive traits like blue eyes a little less common- unless there was some racist reason for people not to mingle.
No you won’t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy–Weinberg_principle
 

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