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Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Thread

Mynon

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Recent reviews are now on 83% positive.
Also, phimseto is back to commenting on and rating recent reviews - it is nice to see that sort of active engagement with the community, for a change.
 

Mynon

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Recent reviews are now on 83% positive.
Also, phimseto is back to commenting on and rating recent reviews - it is nice to see that sort of active engagement with the community, for a change.
86% now, and basically no new negative reviews recently. Tides have changed for Numenera...
 

Iznaliu

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If you appreciate the love that was put into this game

I doubt there was any love put into the game, to be honest. They just expected it to be the best thing ever due to the Torment name and didn't give a shit about it.
 

Prime Junta

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I doubt there was any love put into the game, to be honest. They just expected it to be the best thing ever due to the Torment name and didn't give a shit about it.

Nah, that wasn't the problem, they did give a shit. What was lacking was (1) a coherent, unified creative vision with someone with enough gonads to enforce it, (2) a genuine understanding of what made PS:T so great, and (3) competent project management.
 

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Mynon
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Awesome writing. Great game.
/sarcasm

Dude, seriously. On the off chance you're not a plant: why are you even here? On inXile forums you'll find a couple of sympathetic souls. But on the Codex... You see, it's not even a regular case of everything-is-shit KKKonsensus. This game, as a whole, really blows. It's a handful of tiny gems lost in a vast pile of trash.

And you keep coming here with your meaningless numbers. Why? Do you truly believe we haven't played the game? We have.
 

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Except memetics are a joke that that's not even considered as a valid proposal among normal anthropologists like Rene Girard and others, since they're coming from Dawkin's methodological and philosophical illiteracy. They have a similiar place in the scientific pop culture to the "medieval ages believed Earths was flat". An idea living and accepted on the basis of a common myth that's looses all of its probability after a basic query.

A poorly written s-f game is a good place for it, though.
 

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Too bad, since it's both unprovable and unrefutable vague methaphysical statement similiar to the idea of aether. Dawkins failed to prove the gene - meme analogy, since a meme cannot be measured, weighed, classified or seen. It's just implied as a paradigm, a proof that's proving itself.

The ideas are spreading of course, but the Dawkin's proposal has only the ideological value, an attempt delivering a convenient and oversimplified answer that asks not to refute it. If I recall correctly Girard in one of his interviews (the origins of culture?), when memetics were brought up by a interviewer as a comparable proposal to his model of scapegoating, simply answered that Dawkins has no idea what's he's talking about.
 
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Too bad http://www.dictionary.com/browse/meme
a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition and replication in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes.

This is certainly a thing that happens.

Genes are simple to define and identify: a gene is a sequence of DNA that codes a protein. Cultural stuff doesn't break down so neatly. It's not a particularly useful concept if your objective is to understand how cultures interact and evolve. It's too reductive. Which is why anthropologists, ethnographers and what have you don't have much use for it.

Ultimately the most useful definition for "meme" is the one it's acquired in popular usage.
 

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The idea of a "weaponized meme" is really old and unoriginal, though.

Alan Moore toyed around with the concept in his early 2000 AD work, and he's probably not the first to come up with something similar, either.
 

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Too bad, since it's both unprovable and unrefutable vague methaphysical statement similiar to the idea of aether.

Just about everything in social sciences is unprovable and unrefutable, that's why we make a distinction between them and hard sciences.

If I recall correctly Girard in one of his interviews (the origins of culture?), when memetics were brought up by a interviewer as a comparable proposal to his model of scapegoating, simply answered that Dawkins has no idea what's he's talking about.

Convincing argument.
 

Gepeu

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Just about everything in social sciences is unprovable and unrefutable, that's why we make a distinction between them and hard sciences.
That's exactly what happens when one does not distincts between them, just like Dawkins didn't.
 

Iznaliu

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Just about everything in social sciences is unprovable and unrefutable

I would like an example; here's a counterexample:

Grimm's Law isn't "unprovable" or "unrefutable"; it is transparent and easily proved.

For example: (English/Italian)

foot/piede
heart/cuore
father/padre (Latin pater)
what/che (Latin quod)
ten (Proto-Germanic *tehun)/dieci
 

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