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Greatatlantic

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I'm siding with Metallix, though I don't think Codex or VD did anything wrong. Its like the guy who decides to leave the elevator before his floor because two incredibly fat people just got in and its a little cramped. The fact that AoD jumped so quickly and above such high profile commercial titles tells me a fat person named Codex stepped into the elevator of a russian poll. Let CRPG.ru have some space and we'll see what floor AoD will really get.

Do I win today's prize for metaphor?
 

Lumpy

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What was that poll supposed to represent, anyway? What the crpg.ru members think? Then you should have required logging in for voting.
Since you didn't, I think cutting the votes is the best thing you can do right now to remedy the situation.
 

Vault Dweller

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Gambler said:
People, get over it. This site has many visitors and you specifically asked to vote for AoD. That does screw up the statistics.
Is asking to vote for something illegal and morally wrong? I thought that's how elections work.

Deathy said:
That the website is in Russian sort of implies that, I think.
Really? So, when we do a poll here should we ask people like Metallix, Balor, Gambler, and any other comrade not to vote? How many "...sorry for my english" posts have we seen? Should we delete them on sight because the website is in English?

GA said:
The fact that AoD jumped so quickly and above such high profile commercial titles tells me a fat person named Codex stepped into the elevator of a russian poll. Let CRPG.ru have some space and we'll see what floor AoD will really get.
Well, it's not like the CRPG.ru people couldn't vote before, is it? The link has been posted at Bio forums, but the fuckers are too lazy to vote for Dragon Age. Using your metaphor, the elevator was empty.
 

Atrokkus

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Really? So, when we do a poll here should we ask people like Metallix, Balor, Gambler, and any other comrade not to vote? How many "...sorry for my english" posts have we seen? Should we delete them on sight because the website is in English?
poor analogy. English is an international language, hence all forums that are based on english language are therefore considered international, unless stated otherwise in the rules.

Bah, let's just forget about it.

Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.
 

Paranoid Jack

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That looks to be a very nice cRPG site. Is there an Engrish version? I couldn't find the link if there is... :cry:
 

Atrokkus

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There is an article section consisting of my translations of our most important features.
You can find it here
It's pretty hidden at the moment, but we're working on making a more easily accesssible english features site. Maybe even full english version, too -- in which case we'll move to international level (that's when such barrages of Codexian votes would be WELCOME!).
 

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metallix said:
Bah, let's just forget about it.

Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen
5 min later...
... in which case we'll move to international level (that's when such barrages of Codexian votes would be WELCOME!).
So, we are not welcome at the moment? Btw, what about people like you, people who are members of the Codex, yet have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru? I think we need to draw a clear line here, to help the future generations and confuse the fuck out of CRPG.ru.
 

FrancoTAU

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Ah man, you guys are giving Metallix a hard time. The problems is that the voting system was ill conceived with its 5 votes allowed thing. I only voted for AoD twice, so that sucks if my AoD votes are cut out and my Gothic 3 vote stays to give it an unfair advantage over AoD.

I dunno, if you can see how each voter voted than you could just shave a couple votes off of anyone that put down 5 votes for AoD in the last couple days and move on.
 

Lumpy

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The problem is that the poll was supposed to represent the opinion of the crpg.ru people, not of them and all the AoD fans.
 

psycojester

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In Russian RPG's vote for you!

..... well somebody had to say it and you can all go to hell
 

Atrokkus

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Btw, what about people like you, people who are members of the Codex, yet have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru?
ALl people have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru, IT"S NOT THE POINT HERE, can't you see?
However, the purpose of the poll was to determine the preferences of the RUssian community -- those who post at crpg.ru, who read our news, features, and not just a limited selection of English features (which is mainly accessed through other sites anyways). English-speaking users were not meant to take part in the poll at all. Someone here said that we should have then require registration for voting -- well i can tell you that it's both technically and ergonomically ineficient, as it would require extra effort from our users, which can affect the voting activity. Moreover, just like here on codex, CRPG.ru's Forum user database and Site User database are not connected, which means that even old-time forums users would have to bother registering on the site just to cast their vote -- hence, that's not an option.
 
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Just limit the voters to Russian based IP addresses...

It is an extremely simple check to implement.
 

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metallix said:
Btw, what about people like you, people who are members of the Codex, yet have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru?
ALl people have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru, IT"S NOT THE POINT HERE, can't you see?
It was a joke, chill.

However, the purpose of the poll was to determine the preferences of the RUssian community -- those who post at crpg.ru, who read our news, features, and not just a limited selection of English features...
Just Russian? What about Ukrainians, you racist fuck?! Hmm?!
 

GhanBuriGhan

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metallix said:
Btw, what about people like you, people who are members of the Codex, yet have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru?
ALl people have legal rights to visit CRPG.ru, IT"S NOT THE POINT HERE, can't you see?
However, the purpose of the poll was to determine the preferences of the RUssian community -- those who post at crpg.ru, who read our news, features, and not just a limited selection of English features (which is mainly accessed through other sites anyways). English-speaking users were not meant to take part in the poll at all. Someone here said that we should have then require registration for voting -- well i can tell you that it's both technically and ergonomically ineficient, as it would require extra effort from our users, which can affect the voting activity. Moreover, just like here on codex, CRPG.ru's Forum user database and Site User database are not connected, which means that even old-time forums users would have to bother registering on the site just to cast their vote -- hence, that's not an option.

Yeah, yeah, we get it, but still, tough luck, you know? You are proabably in this long enough to know that polls like these are always magnets for the fanbases of the games being polled. If not for the english games which may neither know or care about your site, then for the russian games on your list. If you want to poll your user base, make it a poll on your forums.
 

galsiah

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metallix said:
Someone here said that we should have then require registration for voting -- well i can tell you that it's both technically and ergonomically ineficient, as it would require extra effort from our users, which can affect the voting activity. Moreover, just like here on codex, CRPG.ru's Forum user database and Site User database are not connected, which means that even old-time forums users would have to bother registering on the site just to cast their vote -- hence, that's not an option.
I don't entirely agree, but I've thought of better ways to do it in any case.

The first priority ought to be to convince someone to change the 5 votes for one game option somehow.

Second, why not suggest taking a softer approach than requiring registration / Russian IP, and weighting / categorizing votes according to registration / location?

For instance, you can mark all votes from Russian IPs, mark all votes from registered users etc., then display the results either excluding some portions, or weighted in one direction.

It wouldn't be too hard simply to have a "Display Russian IP results" / "Display combined international results" toggle somewhere. The Russian / registered only option could be the default.

I realize this is all work, but it would be perfectly possible to get a system which was completely open, but also categorized / weighted votes to allow users to get a clear picture.
This would be fair, more informative, and still keep the Russian-only view of things intact - even in the face of Codex invasion.
 

Paranoid Jack

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Atrokkus

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Russian IP, and weighting
W're talking about Russian-speaking audience here, not citizens of Russian Federation. The whole CIS is Russian-speaking, and that's almost 8 countries (not counting the really underdeveloped ones, but also including Baltian countries whih are de juri are not part of CIS). Plus, there are russians in other countries as well.
 

whitemithrandir

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Fuck, just do this: make a forum for each separate game and let them run for two months. The forum with the most amount of Russian cialis/viagra spammers will be deemed the winner.
 

serch

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I think that we should make our own poll and give some prize to the winner, a Toddy for the most shitty RPG wannabe of the year and a Petey for the most hyped one. Hey one moment, enter 'Toddy' in google and go to 'I'm feeling lucky'. Muhahahaha. Shit, that only works if your language is spanish.
 

Claw

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metallix said:
Every codexian (me included) who voted for AoD will be counted in accord to the number of users that posted in this here thread.
WTF is that supposed to mean? You'll count the posters in the thread, multiply their number with five and subtract the number from AoD's votes?

However, the purpose of the poll was to determine the preferences of the RUssian community -- those who post at crpg.ru, who read our news, features, and not just a limited selection of English features (which is mainly accessed through other sites anyways). English-speaking users were not meant to take part in the poll at all.
I believe the answer that applies is tough luck. You used the internet and failed. If there is a scam, it'll be crpg.ru staff tinkering with the results.
 

Seven

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I believe the answer that applies is tough luck. You used the internet and failed. If there is a scam, it'll be crpg.ru staff tinkering with the results.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.

Also, I don't know if it's just Metal's bad english or what but that word "scam" rubs me the wrong way. We did absolutely nothing wrong except vote for the game of our choice, there was no disclaimer or fine print that said Ruskies only. Calling it a scam makes it sound like there was wrong doing on our part which is completely false. A scam would be changing the results after they're already in.

Another thing, it often happens with indie games that devs will make posts to make fans aware of certain things like these, so what happens now, should we not be made aware of these polls, should VD have to check with every site that has a feature associated with AoD just to makesure that some one's strange sensibilities aren't offended?
 

Atrokkus

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WTF is that supposed to mean? You'll count the posters in the thread, multiply their number with five and subtract the number from AoD's votes?
read my following posts, please. I am already fulwell aware that there is no need for a recount. Gawd, I dont question the numbers and dont imply that there was cheating. R

Also, I don't know if it's just Metal's bad english or what but that word "scam" rubs me the wrong way. We did absolutely nothing wrong except vote for the game of our choice, there was no disclaimer or fine print that said Ruskies only. Calling it a scam makes it sound like there was wrong doing on our part which is completely false. A scam would be changing the results after they're already in.
Why don't you pay attention to what I fucking post before stating that I talk nonsense, okay? I used the word "scam" in the "right" way and meant exactly what you think, but if you would PLEASE BE SO KIND to read the following posts, I admited that there was no scam, and that the question was in the very fact of codexians' voting, not the number of votes.
 

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