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Retardo? Was Duke Nukem Forever a victim of SJW and faggots or...

ZagorTeNej

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Damn, didn't mean it like that, Duke started as a platformer after all. Let's just say Manhattan Project is the best post DN3D game featuring Duke as a protagonist.
 

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I somehow enjoyed DNF.
It was not worth the retail launch price. It certainly was not Duke Nukem 3D, but the game got a whole lot of flack for doing exactly the same thing than most shooters of its eras : corridor shooting, popamole weapons, bad vehicles. If you play it and try it for what it is, it is not a nightmare to go through, it is a game of its era, slightly better than the competition because of the usual toilet humour of Duke.

And think about it : all the duke games were product of their eras. Duke Nukem 3D doesn't define the series : it started as platform games when the popular action genre was platform games. Duke Nukem 3D was, fundamentally, a slightly improved Doom when everybody was making Doom clones (the game is stellar thanks to good levels and finely tuned gameplay, not for its innovation). Forever ? It's a popamole shooter in a time of popamole shooters, and a rather good one at that compared to Bioshock Infinite and Call of Duty. Try it if you can get it for cheap. Just don't expect Duke Nukem 3D and you should have a good enough time.
 
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I somehow enjoyed DNF.
It was not worth the retail launch price. It certainly was not Duke Nukem 3D, but the game got a whole lot of flack for doing exactly the same thing than most shooters of its eras : corridor shooting, popamole weapons, bad vehicles. If you play it and try it for what it is, it is not a nightmare to go through, it is a game of its era, slightly better than the competition because of the usual toilet humour of Duke.

This. Despite being a terrible sequel of the biggest fps milestone (save for Doom of course) it don't deserve such bashing. It just another average modern shooter even if not better then at least not worse than majority of shooters of nowadays. I'd rate it far above overrated shit like Bioshock Infinite, Killzone, COD324324 and other similar crap.

Considering DN3D as typical 10/10 gaem DNF is like solid 5/10.
 

ZagorTeNej

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I somehow enjoyed DNF.
It was not worth the retail launch price. It certainly was not Duke Nukem 3D, but the game got a whole lot of flack for doing exactly the same thing than most shooters of its eras : corridor shooting, popamole weapons, bad vehicles. If you play it and try it for what it is, it is not a nightmare to go through, it is a game of its era, slightly better than the competition because of the usual toilet humour of Duke.

And think about it : all the duke games were product of their eras. Duke Nukem 3D doesn't define the series : it started as platform games when the popular action genre was platform games. Duke Nukem 3D was, fundamentally, a slightly improved Doom when everybody was making Doom clones (the game is stellar thanks to good levels and finely tuned gameplay, not for its innovation). Forever ? It's a popamole shooter in a time of popamole shooters, and a rather good one at that compared to Bioshock Infinite and Call of Duty. Try it if you can get it for cheap. Just don't expect Duke Nukem 3D and you should have a good enough time.

Problem is, I can't bring myself to give a single fuck about "product of its era" or all other reasons (and they're numerous) the game turned out the way it is cause at the end of the day all that matter is whether it's a good gamer or not and it just isn't, it doesn't mean that one still can't squeeze some enjoyment/fun out of it (especially the DLC with Dr. Proton which is indeed much better than the main game as it's often the trend last 5-6 years) or that the modern offerings in the genre are even worse but it doesn't change the fact that it's not a good game.

"A game of its era" at a time when the games from the genre it belongs to suck donkey balls only means that the game is almost doomed from the start as a consequence of choosing such a shitty design model to begin with. Who cares if it's better than the crap that I wouldn't spend 10 minutes on like Bioshock and Call of Duty, it falls woefully short compared to its predecessor which is what counts.
 

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I think I understand taxalot's point, though. It's like when Tomb Raider was released. Half of its success was based on being an actual good game, with tasteful design and an interesting premise, but the other half was based on a big titted protagonist and legends about nude codes. Duke's case was similar, it was like a 80s/90s action movie made just for you, like what could happen if you got to direct Die Hard or Rambo yourself. It's not just making a game based on what was popular at the time (I doubt Duke Nukem's platformers were better than Commander Keen's, for instance), but about a particular mindset. DNF tried to capture that, in an age where Pacific Rim, Transformers and The Avengers are profitable franchises, and it stuck like a sore thumb.

It doesn't help that Shadow Warrior and Blood are better, though :P
 

ZagorTeNej

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I think I understand taxalot's point, though. It's like when Tomb Raider was released. Half of its success was based on being an actual good game, with tasteful design and an interesting premise, but the other half was based on a big titted protagonist and legends about nude codes. Duke's case was similar, it was like a 80s/90s action movie made just for you, like what could happen if you got to direct Die Hard or Rambo yourself. It's not just making a game based on what was popular at the time (I doubt Duke Nukem's platformers were better than Commander Keen's, for instance), but about a particular mindset. DNF tried to capture that, in an age where Pacific Rim, Transformers and The Avengers are profitable franchises, and it stuck like a sore thumb.

It doesn't help that Shadow Warrior and Blood are better, though :P

Man, 80-90 action flicks are never gonna go out of style (they're just too damn awesome), did you play Blood Dragon per chance? Now there's the game that succeeded where Duke Forever failed, it did a great job of capturing the vibe and style of that era and certainly didn't stick out like a sore thumb because it didn't ape the modern popular franchises. I firmly believe it's about the execution, not about Duke type character being outdated.
 

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I forgot to mention that you could grab the BALLS OF STEEL collector's editions for peanuts around 2013. I remember getting a new, sealed one for like five pounds.
 

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DNF was total shit, I played it for a while but it's just so baaaaaaaaad. Fuck everything about it. Nothing SJW in it at all, it's just shit.
 

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I played it up to the Casino toy car driving level, and just quit after i died and uninstalled the game.

But i heard that the DLC with DR.Proton is better then the vanilla game.
 

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I played it up to the Casino toy car driving level, and just quit after i died and uninstalled the game.

But i heard that the DLC with DR.Proton is better then the vanilla game.

Only because it's shorter. You move between shitty sections more swiftly, and it helps that the closest thing to a "strength" DNF has is envionmental variety. It's like watching a twenty-hour film with 5 good-looking scenes versus watching a five-hour film with five good-looking scenes.
 

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I tend to like shooters and usually beat new releases if they are half-decent. I thought Bulletstorm and that latest Call of Juarez game were just dandy. Red Faction Armageddon was all right in my book. Not great but quite solid.

DNF was complete shit. Boring, lame, disjointed, and ugly. Didn't even complete a playthrough.
Just uninstalled.
 

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It is just shit. It would be mediocre if not for one thing - this is Duke.

Duke was like a symbol of the old school shooter with health packs, nine guns you carry around and circle strafe rocket jump awesomeness. The old Duke would be the perfect agent to satirize modern fps game design. I'd love to see him laugh at the on rails / regenerating health / two guns / cover shooters of today. But you don't get to do this when you are all those things yourself.
 

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