What kind of political topics -INVOLVING GAMES- can be discussed in game foruns

[dnf]

Sure, these topics seems fairly shitstorm free(and thus boring to a point) and no big deal, but why be afraid of consistency? Why not just go all the way if you feel this manner of moderation is the best one?

And the general discussion talk in Anthony Davis's thread did not derail the thread. Some topics, you know, are simply baiting because of their nature. And other topics aren't. You can't rely purely on rules here unless, again, you have a 500-page legal code.

By the same logic i could also argue that infinitron's thread didn't derail, when that thread got Gd'ed they where still talking about sexism in games. There is also the issue involving the wrong forum, wish applies to Anthony Davi's thread(you could argue that there is talk about NWN2, wish is PC, but then, its NWN2 against KOTOR2, Fallout: New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege and more).

Just stay in GD.

Don't worry about that. You will not find me creating blending topics involving games and politics like codex staff Infinitron( http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...agon-gtfo-a-film-about-women-in-gaming.82931/ http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lol-women.80924/ ) or Jaesun( http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/video-games-and-male-gaze.73709/ )

 

[Monty]

I'm not saying it was Aliens. But it was Aliens.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

the solution is to make me a moderatoo. i will be the most kosher of moderatoos to have ever moderatood the codex.

i could replace ulminutty.

 

[Mangoose]

Sure, these topics seems fairly shitstorm free(and thus boring to a point) and no big deal, but why be afraid of consistency? Why not just go all the way if you feel this manner of moderation is the best one?

And the general discussion talk in Anthony Davis's thread did not derail the thread. Some topics, you know, are simply baiting because of their nature. And other topics aren't. You can't rely purely on rules here unless, again, you have a 500-page legal code.

By the same logic i could also argue that infinitron's thread didn't derail

No, the logic isn't that it derailed or not, it's that certain topics tend to derail more than others. Up to the mod's intuition to decide.

There is also the issue involving the wrong forum, wish applies to Anthony Davi's thread(you could argue that there is talk about NWN2, wish is PC, but then, its NWN2 against KOTOR2, Fallout: New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege and more).

Are you fucking serious?

 

[dnf]

Sure, these topics seems fairly shitstorm free(and thus boring to a point) and no big deal, but why be afraid of consistency? Why not just go all the way if you feel this manner of moderation is the best one?

And the general discussion talk in Anthony Davis's thread did not derail the thread. Some topics, you know, are simply baiting because of their nature. And other topics aren't. You can't rely purely on rules here unless, again, you have a 500-page legal code.

By the same logic i could also argue that infinitron's thread didn't derail

No, the logic isn't that it derailed or not, it's that certain topics tend to derail more than others. Up to the mod's intuition to decide.

Im not sure i get it. The logic isn't derailment, but it is derailment?

There is also the issue involving the wrong forum, wish applies to Anthony Davi's thread(you could argue that there is talk about NWN2, wish is PC, but then, its NWN2 against KOTOR2, Fallout: New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege and more).

Are you fucking serious?

"
Made for Console Popamole RPGs

For all those modern RPGs that have been designed for consoles as their target audience. Includes console only titles and games that had a multi-platform release on launch day."
Dunno bro, it fits Dev stories at Obsidian like a glove. Remind me, why is that thread in Computer RPG discussion again? Because a esteemed member of the community can get away with some retarded rules of moderation, that's why.

 

[Mangoose]

Ignored for being stupid about trivial issues.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

If by "imminent" you mean "a thread ago"....

Nah. Hardly at "meltdown" stage yet. More like the annoying butthurt which precedes the meltdown. The retardation before the storm.

 

[Cassidy]

People being butthurt and having meltdowns are amusing, people sucking cocks and bootlicking are not.

 

[Trash]

Site Feedback really is our new drama forum. And what the fuck is it with BR's and shitposting?

Want a rule set in stone though? Don't be a shitcock. Good luck with that one.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

What, you implying they don't address site issues here?

 

[Sceptic]

What, you implying they don't address site issues here?

Depends on what you mean by both "address" and "issues"

 

[DarkUnderlord]

It's just a statement as to what you're doing.

I fail to see this as a conservatard thing, since many liberals showed complaints at one point.

Libtards will argue about a specific real instance or issue that actually occurred, such as "why was my shit here moved to Retardo when it was answered". Comparatively, Conservatards whinge about the entire system because they're convinced it's out to get them. Thus they argue hypothetical non-existent examples or scenarios that have never occurred (usually because they don't ever occur), building up a strawman scenario, which they can then use an excuse as to why they need guns so they can fight this horrible amorphic strawman creature.

Ergo, this thread.

ref: HHR (on a smaller scale), NoMask at times and FretRider's passive-aggressiveness over being banned.

Keep fighting those undomesticated snowmanS! With a hypothetical wanking exercise designed to... do what, exactly? Waste my time? Give you a "point" you can use to score against the moderators later? "My bullshit trolling post was split to Retardo Land despite being some-what relevant! That's against the rules! I'm going to cry about it!"

I guess it would be retardo then, ok. Dirty topics stay in the locked foruns, i get it now.

I sincerely doubt you have the capability to "get" anything. But if you do, that's cool. So I guess that will be the end of the discussion then if you get it now.

Spoiler

Right?

Spoiler

Ahahahah.

No.

Is there a reason why the Anthony Daves Thread should bother the mods?

Off-topic talk maybe.

There's a rules thread in this forum. Does it say anything about "off-topic talk"?

Just stay in GD.

Don't worry about that. You will not find me creating blending topics involving games and politics like codex staff Infinitron( http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...agon-gtfo-a-film-about-women-in-gaming.82931/ http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lol-women.80924/ ) or Jaesun( http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/video-games-and-male-gaze.73709/ )

DNF is very butthurt about "blended topics". I'll tell the staff to make more of them.

Sure, these topics seems fairly shitstorm free(and thus boring to a point) and no big deal, but why be afraid of consistency? Why not just go all the way if you feel this manner of moderation is the best one?

And the general discussion talk in Anthony Davis's thread did not derail the thread. Some topics, you know, are simply baiting because of their nature. And other topics aren't. You can't rely purely on rules here unless, again, you have a 500-page legal code.

By the same logic i could also argue that infinitron's thread didn't derail

No, the logic isn't that it derailed or not, it's that certain topics tend to derail more than others. Up to the mod's intuition to decide.

Im not sure i get it. The logic isn't derailment, but it is derailment?

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. What Mangoose said is pretty clear: Certain topics tend to derail more than others.

EG: "Let's talk about transexual characters in computer games", is more likely to degenerate into "trannies lol" and be full of shit that's more relevant to GD than a thread about "Ex Obsidian dev answers questions about his time there". The tranny thread you linked to started out in gaming and was moved to GD for a reason. Read the thread and use that over-eager brain of yours and you should be able to tell why. If you can't, then you're probably too dumb to post here and might want to try IGN.

The other thread you linked was a News item. We don't move news items, it fucks the system. And "News" is a forum for a broad variety of topics anyway.

Remind me, why is that thread in Computer RPG discussion again? Because a esteemed member of the community can get away with some retarded rules of moderation, that's why.

No, it's because nobody cares. There's no reason for them too either, unless they're a conserva-tard trying to stick it to the man and cry over "rules" because their dumb shit gets moved.

What, you implying they don't address site issues here?

Let's be honest, does anyone here really believe DNF is going to come away satisfied as a result of any of the discussion in this thread? He's complaining about "blended topics" not being moved while others are, which is a specific thread-by-thread determination, and asking for a clear rule... And all the while he's claiming he "doesn't actually care". You know, he's just doing it for the good of the Codex or something. Because like, we totally need a rule for an issue that only one person - who says they don't care about it anyway - is confused about.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

That's all fine and dandy but that sharks topic is still nowhere to be found.

 

[dnf]

There's a rules thread in this forum. Does it say anything about "off-topic talk"?

Discussions should stay on topic, or so they say. off-topic things get moved to other foruns.

DNF is very butthurt about "blended topics". I'll tell the staff to make more of them.

Why, thank you, i like those topics.

The tranny thread you linked to started out in gaming and was moved to GD for a reason. Read the thread and use that over-eager brain of yours and you should be able to tell why. If you can't, then you're probably too dumb to post here and might want to try IGN.

Or maybe, they didn't need to be moved. Just like nobody cares(read mods) about some random "tell us some drunk MCA stories lol".

The other thread you linked was a News item. We don't move news items, it fucks the system. And "News" is a forum for a broad variety of topics anyway.

Like feminism?

No, it's because nobody cares.

Well, i cared, so what? Always somebody will care over a stupid shit, be it a thread of morrowind in popamole rpg, diablo 3 in crpg or wathever. I have already stated my mind over that thread. Obsidian is 90% of the time a popamole rpg company, so that's my argument of why should the thread be moved to popamole rpgs.

 

[Jim Cojones]

There's a rules thread in this forum. Does it say anything about "off-topic talk"?

Discussions should stay on topic, or so they say. off-topic things get moved to other foruns.

The fact that this forum was very free for discussing offtopic things, posting links to goatsee and trolling in any threads was one of the two reasons why I started posting here (RPG design related discussions being the other one). I have visited enough of tightly moderated forums and hated it every time a mod came to tell me what am I supposed to talk about in which thread and continuously moving/deleting posts that were funny, informative but didn't fit the subforum/thread.

If you want a forum where "off-topic things get moved to other foruns" get the fuck out of there and go to a forum that suits your librul needs better.

 

[dnf]

There's a rules thread in this forum. Does it say anything about "off-topic talk"?

Discussions should stay on topic, or so they say. off-topic things get moved to other foruns.

The fact that this forum was very free for discussing offtopic things, posting links to goatsee and trolling in any threads was one of the two reasons why I started posting here (RPG design related discussions being the other one). I have visited enough of tightly moderated forums and hated it every time a mod came to tell me what am I supposed to talk about in which thread and continuously moving/deleting posts that were funny, informative but didn't fit the subforum/thread.

If you want a forum where "off-topic things get moved to other foruns" get the fuck out of there and go to a forum that suits your librul needs better.

You are mistaking me for a mod, i don't want these things, but they are here to stay.

 

[evdk]

So is anybody here convinced that DU will be swayed by the weight of well reasoned arguments and decree every day henceforth to be mod free day (and also redirects Jaesun to a het porn site)? Or that enough people will be rallied by the valiant cry in the face of the moderator tyranny (which this place is, make no mistake) and they will set forth to the promised land and make a better Codex, as the Founding Fathers envisoned, with blackjack, and hookers?

Or is it more probable that this will go for a few more pages with DU doing his VD impression until he gets bored and slapping some sort of "hilarious" punishment on dnf, who will of course not mind at all and prove it by posting three consecutive threads about being OK with it?

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

I'm not sure but I hear Jim Cojones is looking for some great Goatse links!

 

[DarkUnderlord]

There's a rules thread in this forum. Does it say anything about "off-topic talk"?

Discussions should stay on topic, or so they say. off-topic things get moved to other foruns.

Yeah, that's never been an explicit Codex rule. And for good reason. For the most part, the best threads are usually the ones that go wildly off topic and end up causing drama. However, a games thread that goes off the topic of games and into feminism in general, will likely end up being moved simply due to the nature of this forum (IE: People pulling out studies about womyns and discussing feminism in general - the drama is better in GD). Sometimes if there are two discussions occurring at once in the same thread, one of which is more relevant to another forum, it might get split out - assuming it can be. But there's no specific rule stating that it should be. Likewise there's no specific rule stating that all Mass Effect related stuff should get merged into the one mega thread.

The tranny thread you linked to started out in gaming and was moved to GD for a reason. Read the thread and use that over-eager brain of yours and you should be able to tell why. If you can't, then you're probably too dumb to post here and might want to try IGN.

Or maybe, they didn't need to be moved. Just like nobody cares(read mods) about some random "tell us some drunk MCA stories lol".

Maybe. But "maybe" leaves open the possibility of either, or. Which is where things should stay. That means sometimes things will get moved (feminism lol let's have another thread about that) and some things won't be (drunken developer stories lol how many of these threads do we have? Oh it's just the one).

The other thread you linked was a News item. We don't move news items, it fucks the system. And "News" is a forum for a broad variety of topics anyway.

Like feminism?

Yes, if it's in the news and somehow relevant to the cRPG world.

No, it's because nobody cares.

Well, i cared, so what?

Oh, I thought it didn't bother you?

Always somebody will care over a stupid shit

Yeap. And one person will argue intensely that "Dearest sirs, truly 'tis an offence and outrage to have this popamole thread in this prestigious non-popamole forum!" while some other tard will argue the exact opposite. It's one person's bullshit opinion vs another's. The only opinion that counts is what the moderator thinks¹. I appointed certain moderators to certain forums for a reason (We have a forum named "Popamole console RPGs" - on a forum where we can't even decide what an "RPG" really is in the first place, for crying out loud - definitions don't get any vaguer than that. I named that forum and appointed Jaesun for a reason. You guys should be smart enough to figure that out by now). We're not going to conduct polls every-time someone thinks a thread should be moved. As I said, this isn't a Democracy. You don't have any "rights" here.

¹Within reason. When you have a mod splitting and merging threads within the same forum. IE: When we've gotten to the point where "we have a thread for that" is the status quo of decision making and singular posts - which are relevant to the thread they're posted in - get split out and merged with another thread where they're not as relevant, then I think it's a problem. As with all things, this is reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

be it a thread of morrowind in popamole rpg, diablo 3 in crpg or wathever. I have already stated my mind over that thread. Obsidian is 90% of the time a popamole rpg company, so that's my argument of why should the thread be moved to popamole rpgs.

Popamole vs cRPG is about the game itself, not the company. Especially if the company started out cRPG and went full popamole - doesn't mean threads about their original efforts should get moved.

So is anybody here convinced that DU will be swayed by the weight of well reasoned arguments and decree every day henceforth to be mod free day (and also redirects Jaesun to a het porn site)? Or that enough people will be rallied by the valiant cry in the face of the moderator tyranny (which this place is, make no mistake)

If this place is "the face of the moderator tyranny" then it should be really, really easy for you to come up with say, twenty clear examples of this tyranny which have occurred within the last six months.

 

[evdk]

If this place is "the face of the moderator tyranny" then it should be really, really easy for you to come up with say, twenty clear examples of this tyranny which have occurred within the last six months.

I mostly meant that the mods can pretty much do what they want and are not responsible to the users in any way, not that they necessarily abuse that going on oppression sprees. Bade choice of words maybe, I could have gone with "absolutism"

 

[dnf]

DarkUnderlord

Oh, I thought it didn't bother you?

That thread in Crpg forum didn't bother me. It only bothers me the inconsistencies within moderation, like some stupid shit being enforced while other stupid shit get a free pass, like, for example, a forum dedicated by general japanese games(no, not Jrpg) in the rpg foruns, wish makes no sense. Also, this thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-the-portraits-from-ishar.82696/#post-2668345 Don't see a reason to a thread asking for portraits of a crpg being moved to general gaming at all.

Popamole vs cRPG is about the game itself, not the company. Especially if the company started out cRPG and went full popamole - doesn't mean threads about their original efforts should get moved.

The bolded part was never the case to Obsidian. They even tried to port NWN2 to XBOX .That thread is full of talk about Kotor 2, F:NV, South Park rpg and Alpha Protocol against NWN2. So if i do the maths, 4 popamole RPG games win over 1 almost popamole RPG game.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

That thread in Crpg forum didn't bother me. It only bothers me the inconsistencies within moderation, like some stupid shit being enforced while other stupid shit get a free pass, like, for example, a forum dedicated by general japanese games(no, not Jrpg) in the rpg foruns, wish makes no sense.

So which bothers you most, your personal perceived inconsistencies or something that "doesn't make sense" to you? Because Asian shit in the Asian forum is entirely consistent with the description of that forum:

jRPG Weaboo Discussion: For all your DESUDESUDESU needs, where everything released in an asian language or from an asian developer can be discussed. If it remotely smells Japanese, put it in here.​

Done because:
a) No-one can fucking agree on what an "RPG" is in the first place.
b) Given a, no-one can fucking agree on what a "jRPG" is - and whether they're even "RPGs" at all - and whether we should even discuss them.
c) Given b, where does general Asian shit go - like those Japanese rape simulators "strategy games" that are sort of RPGs but not really? General Gaming?

If it bothers you that it's under the RPG Section, then technically the Workshop shouldn't be there either. However the idea is to at least have a focus on RPGs. Also nobody particularly gets hung up about it. I mean, Prosper Land is in Hosted and that's not really a "Hosted" anything.

Also, this thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-the-portraits-from-ishar.82696/#post-2668345 Don't see a reason to a thread asking for portraits of a crpg being moved to general gaming at all.

Conversely I don't see a reason to keep it in cRPG. It's not really a discussion about a cRPG, is it? It's asking for pictures from one. There's very little conversation about the game either, so technically, it should probably be in General Discussion. Mind you Crooked Bee is asking for them as avatars too, so maybe Site Feedback is appropriate as well.

Popamole vs cRPG is about the game itself, not the company. Especially if the company started out cRPG and went full popamole - doesn't mean threads about their original efforts should get moved.

The bolded part was never the case to Obsidian. They even tried to port NWN2 to XBOX .That thread is full of talk about Kotor 2, F:NV, South Park rpg and Alpha Protocol against NWN2. So if i do the maths, 4 popamole RPG games win over 1 almost popamole RPG game.

Well technically, the Anthony Davis thread should be in the Workshop as its some-what a "RPG design and development" discussion. Although the sub-conversation of loyalty and rewards that's currently occurring could be split into General Discussion. Some of the questions are console related though so those ones should be moved into the Shit forum... or given it's an individual answering questions - and that moving bits around really pisses people off (and is also stupid) and that it started out about NWN2 and is mostly cRPG related (I mean look at shit like this. That's one post about a console RPG with some shit about a cRPG thrown in as well. WTF do we do with that? We'll have to edit Anthony's post and split it out...), we keep it in the cRPG forum (I will note two questions were moved out into Retardo Land which was wrong and has been corrected).

The fact is, there's no "one" forum that's designed to contain that all - and that's ultimately an issue with having sub-forums in the first place. You can't honestly and clearly say it belongs in one forum vs another. And there's no Gestapo Thread Police around here who's goal in life is to make sure that every individual post in any given thread is in the exact, correct and proper forum. If it upsets you, and you're genuinely not just being a shit about it (which you are just btw), you use the report function. A moderator will look at it, most likely disagree with you or ignore the report (like they do 90% of reports because they're mostly shit) and carry on.

Anthony Davis is a developer and he's mostly talking about cRPGs. Why is this a fucking issue? Because a thread that degenerated into LOL FEMNINSM got GD'd? While another feminism topic went full retard? Has the thread gone completely off-topic yet? Has it reached full retard? If not, there's your answer as to why it hasn't been moved.

 

[Haba]

Another newfag, and one who has never contributed to the site, having strong ideas about how the site should be ran.

I see a pattern here.

 

[Infinitron]

So is anybody here convinced that DU will be swayed by the weight of well reasoned arguments and decree every day henceforth to be mod free day (and also redirects Jaesun to a het porn site)? Or that enough people will be rallied by the valiant cry in the face of the moderator tyranny (which this place is, make no mistake) and they will set forth to the promised land and make a better Codex, as the Founding Fathers envisoned, with blackjack, and hookers?

Or is it more probable that this will go for a few more pages with DU doing his VD impression until he gets bored and slapping some sort of "hilarious" punishment on dnf, who will of course not mind at all and prove it by posting three consecutive threads about being OK with it?

I think we need a "butthurt passive-aggressive concern troll"-free day.

 

[Grunker]

Someone still thinks Codex as hole is not sewer... How Charming.

Rats complaining about the smell... How Charming.