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Why do people hate Oblivion so much?

Wysardry

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The first TES game I played was Daggerfall and I loathe Oblivion in comparison. As a game, Oblivion has some good points and some bad, but as part of the TES series it is terrible.

If it had been labelled as an "Elder Scrolls Legend" or "Elder Scrolls Adventure" like Battlespire and Redguard I would be more forgiving and less disappointed.
 

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I don't hate Oblivion, but I recognize that it's the weakest of all the Elder Scrolls games, not including the spin-offs.
The first TES game I played was Daggerfall and I loathe Oblivion in comparison. As a game, Oblivion has some good points and some bad, but as part of the TES series it is terrible.

If it had been labelled as an "Elder Scrolls Legend" or "Elder Scrolls Adventure" like Battlespire and Redguard I would be more forgiving and less disappointed.

How is it bad a a TES game? More importantly, what makes a proper TES game?
Weakest based on what aspects?

  • Uninspiring story
  • Enemy level scaling
  • Player leveling system
  • Console-like UI
  • Dungeons mostly look the same
  • NPC's sound the same because they used the same 4 voice actors
  • Character models are ugly
  • Spells removed from previous versions like levitation

Basically parroting the most popular arguments, I can already tell you are a Morrowind fan. Typically people like you have a hard time expanding their arguments beyond simple bullet point lists.
 

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Basically parroting the most popular arguments, I can already tell you are a Morrowind fan. Typically people like you have a hard time expanding their arguments beyond simple bullet point lists.
Because they are all true and your butthurt "arguments" won't change any of them. And using the "you're a Morrowind fanboy", i thought Oblivion was garbage before even playing Morrowind. So you can stick that "argument" up your ass.
 

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Basically parroting the most popular arguments, I can already tell you are a Morrowind fan. Typically people like you have a hard time expanding their arguments beyond simple bullet point lists.
Because they are all true and your butthurt "arguments" won't change any of them. And using the "you're a Morrowind fanboy", i thought Oblivion was garbage before even playing Morrowind. So you can stick that "argument" up your ass.

What you think is weightless, because you arent a true RPG fan. You're a casual turd that thinks he's old school because he plays Morrowind. You arent getting into DF because its too oldschool/hardcore for you, but you keep bashing Oblivion for being dumb and casual.

The only reason people are accepting you here is because your retard comments always happen in MY threads so they go unnoticed. Im surprised Codexers havent started mocking you already.
 

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It's GFX and fisher-price sensibilities without a doubt drew in the "console crowd". A couple friends of mine loved the game (playing at our buddy with the sick rig, never touched a keyboard in their life) because "it's fun to hit the dead bodies with a hammer, THEY FLY AROUND!". They both bought it within a week or so. Yeah.
I dunno. Havoc physics doesn't have any effect on writing, maybe on dungeon puzzles. Your friends can still enjoy flying dead bodies in a better game. I know I did in New Vegas ripping apart NCR profligates with Anti-Materiel rifle crits. +M

Yup, they continued on to play FO3, skyrim, the witcher 2/3. Now i'm not saying that visually fucking shit up can't be fun, i'm just saying these guys would never have enjoyed FO or Daggerfall, or any games with stats/text being part of the core gameplay, before oblivion(and indeed in oblivion etc. they pretty much aren't).
 
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As much as I think MFKNDAGGERFALL or whatever his dumb ass name is, is retarded.



Why are people here seriously defending Morrowind? Personally I considered Daggerfall average in 1996. Morrowind and oblivion both equally shit for different reasons.
 

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As much as I think MFKNDAGGERFALL or whatever his dumb ass name is, is retarded.



Why are people here seriously defending Morrowind? Personally I considered Daggerfall average in 1996. Morrowind and oblivion both equally shit for different reasons.

Sure it was average back then when all the good old games were being released, but compared to modern games its a true masterpiece.

It is still worth playing today just to have your mind blown by how ambitious the devs were back then. Oblivion is still worth playing for the side quests/guild quests. Morrowind is worth playing for absolutely nothing.
 
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As much as I think MFKNDAGGERFALL or whatever his dumb ass name is, is retarded.



Why are people here seriously defending Morrowind? Personally I considered Daggerfall average in 1996. Morrowind and oblivion both equally shit for different reasons.

Sure it was average back then when all the good old games were being released, but compared to modern games its a true masterpiece.

It is still worth playing today just to have your mind blown by how ambitious the devs were back then. Oblivion is still worth playing for the side quests/guild quests. Morrowind is worth playing for absolutely nothing.




I don't know dude, I played betrayal at krondor before daggerfall was released which takes such a giant shit on daggerfall in every imaginable way.



Then fallout came out a year later



:P
 

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Oblivion is still worth playing for the side quests/guild quests.
Most of Oblivion quests are shit with only an handful of decent ones. The Mages Guild questline specially is the worst by turning Mannimarco into an utter joke and the Fighters Guild being nothing but terrible fetch quests. Not to mention most of them not having branching paths or consequences of any kind, except maybe Paranoia.

I'm honestly bored at this point, your retarded trolling has lost its appealing. But to endan end on an high note, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are some of the worst games ever made.
 
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The combat in BaK is much worse than DF, even considering that enemies get stuck into walls n shit. Does BaK even have dungeons? Seems like a shitty comparison to make. The narrative is comparable but thats about it. Hell, you dont even customize your character in BaK, while in DF its the opposite.

Oblivion is still worth playing for the side quests/guild quests.
Most of Oblivion quests are shit with only an handful of decent ones. The Mages Guild questline specially is the worst by turning Mannimarco into an utter joke and the Fighters Guild being nothing but terrible fetch quests. Not to mention most of them not having branching paths or consequences of any kind, except maybe Paranoia.

I'm honestly bored at this point, your retarded trolling has lost its appealing. But to endan end on an high note, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are some of the worst games ever made.

Of course when I say that its worth playing for the side quests I mean the good ones. I see that you didnt try to counter my point on Morrowind, you're not bored, you just ran out of fuel before you even started. Truth is that the only thing that fuels your arguments is other people's opinions, without them you cannot argue on your own, you get 'bored' and quit.
 

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I've played Oblvion and terrible games come out every year and are quickly forgotten. Think Oblivion is special in the regard as far as what it represents, and that is rpgs going solidly after the lowest common denominator in gaming. There were good things in Oblivion, though.

The Dark Brotherhood questline is pretty good, and the final Thieves Guild quest felt particularly epic. As a hiking simulator, it was revolutionary at the time - the fields were very colorful. And the Daedric statues and odd quests were interesting. Had some out of the ordinary miscellaneous magic items. Personally, I like Oblivion better than Skyrim, but both are a big drop from Morrowind.

Either way, Oblivion will probably be restored as a classic RPG once TES VI comes out, with (going out on a limb here):
* Fast travel to locations you've never been to
* No stat to pick at level up - you'll just pick fighter, mage, or nameofsomemagicfightinghybrid and it assigns stats at level up.
* End to the tiresome dialog choices once and for all. You click on an NPCs, it says everything and gives you a quest. No more bullshit.
* No more "multiple factions" giving players fits. One faction with a good and bad ending based on a YES/NO choice at the end of the game.
* New and slightly improved Gamebryo engine!
 
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I haven't played Oblivion in many years, but IIRC I actually liked the "HDR" effect. I don't remember it being eye-bleaching like a lot of bloom effects are now. I could be wrong though, it's been a while.

nigga please.

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The ayleid ruins during daytime as well.

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mfkndggrfll

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I've played Oblvion and terrible games come out every year and are quickly forgotten. Think Oblivion is special in the regard as far as what it represents, and that is rpgs going solidly after the lowest common denominator in gaming. There were good things in Oblivion, though.

The Dark Brotherhood questline is pretty good, and the final Thieves Guild quest felt particularly epic. As a hiking simulator, it was revolutionary at the time - the fields were very colorful. And the Daedric statues and odd quests were interesting. Had some out of the ordinary miscellaneous magic items. Personally, I like Oblivion better than Skyrim, but both are a big drop from Morrowind.

Either way, Oblivion will probably be restored as a classic RPG once TES VI comes out, with (going out on a limb here):
* Fast travel to locations you've never been to
* No stat to pick at level up - you'll just pick fighter, mage, or nameofsomemagicfightinghybrid and it assigns stats at level up.
* End to the tiresome dialog choices once and for all. You click on an NPCs, it says everything and gives you a quest. No more bullshit.
* No more "multiple factions" giving players fits. One faction with a good and bad ending based on a YES/NO choice at the end of the game.
* New and slightly improved Gamebryo engine!

Big drop based on what?
It made a non-generic fantasy series into a generic fantasy series.

Non-generic fantasy series rofl.... Seriously the Morronwind fans saying ignorant shit like that are the ones who truely deserve the Bethestard tag...
 

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Overrated games are nothing new in this industry. It is an industry that sells a product before the buyer has a chance to figure out if he will like it, so you have to convince him that your game is the best thing since sliced bread. Hence why today marketing (including under the table bribes, shills commenting on articles, forums and videos, and "influencers") has a far bigger budget than the actual development of the game for AAA companies.

Thus, in my full 3 decades of hard core gaming, i have witnessed a ton of overrated games that when i got to play them on release i was like "meh, how much the reviewers got bribed this time?"

Now, overrated does not mean "bad". A game can be good and still get "masterpiece" rates that it simply does not deserve. Games like GTA IV for instance. Was a fun game, i completed it, but look at its metascore: 98. Does anyone who isn't on drugs believe that GTA IV deserved a freaking 98 metascore? A more accurate and perfectly valid metascore would have been 85ish... Thus, GTA IV was overrated. And that is a simple example.

Do i hate GTA IV? Nope. I hate the marketing and i hate the shills masquerading as users that hype such games to such lengths online, but the game was fine if shallow.

Oblivion was also an obviously overrated game. It has a 94 metascore... But the thing with Oblivion in contrast with most overrated games, was that it was not a good game at all. It was garbage even by 2006 standards. The true metascore should have been around 65-70ish, and that is pushing it.

It is the only so called "GOTY" game i have ever played in almost 30 years that didn't have any redeeming quality whatsoever. I am not judging it purely as an RPG, because i play all genres, not just RPGs. I am judging it as a video game. And it fails spectacularly on all fronts.

Its graphics were pure garbage. Someone gave them a cool bloom shader to use and like toddlers they spilled it all over the place. Faces were absolutely disgusting. The textures were an abomination. Animation is the laughing stock of the industry.

Voice acting was so trash that it would have been less immersion breaking to just use Morrowind's system of wikipedia dialogues... Sound effects were bland and music was meh.

Gameplay, the meat of the game, was total shit. It was pure shit if you judged it as an Action game, with terrible controls and stupid hitsponge enemies, and it was pure shit if you judged it as an RPG game... It failed at all fronts. The level scaling serves as an example on how NOT to make an RPG, since it literally makes no sense to level up, you get an easier game by NOT leveling up...

There was no immersion in this game, between the terrible voice acting, the poor dialogue, the bland graphics, the terrible animations, the bugs, the copy-pasted locations, the boring Oblivion gates, the uninspiring story, you had no reason to want to complete this game.

There have been much better games than Oblivion that have gotten far worse metascores and far less sales.

Oblivion is the only TES game i have ever played that i never managed to continue after escorting Martin to the Blades Headquarters. I did some early guild quests but i lost interest every single time. I have tried to enter this game at least 10 times, and every single time i just cannot force myself to continue, it is that bad. I have played and completed every Bethesda game ever, Oblivion is the ONLY game that i refuse to complete because i'd rather go kill myself for better entertainment...

It is not that Oblivion marked the turning point of consolization for Bethesda. It did not. Morrowind did. Morrowind was an XBOX game. It is not even that it dumbed down the RPG aspects. A game can be good even if it is not a pure stats driven turn based RPG. I enjoyed Skyrim thoroughly and have wasted hundrends of hours making different classes of heroes and fooling around as a Werewolf or Vampire Lord because i found it fun. Skyrim was an RPG-lite, an Action-RPG if you prefer, but still was a good, solid game. Oblivion was SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Ok?

The only people who defend Oblivion are those who were too young when they first played it. I know a few people like that. They will defend it to the death because it was the first game their daddy bought them for Christmas when they were 10, because Lord of the Rings had gotten the Oscar and Bethesda decided to retkon the Roman-inspired Empire to make them look like Gondor and the magazines were saying GOTY everywhere and dads all over the world wanted to get it as a present for their kids to fool around in fairytale land. I even encountered such a person when i did my military duty and he told me "Oblivion was best game ever made" because he played it at 12... I wanted to punch him in the face but i would get a military trial for that. Still, Oblivion was such garbage that the thought that a military trial was worth it crossed my mind...
 

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"But the thing with Oblivion in contrast with most overrated games, was that it was not a good game at all. It was garbage even by 2006 standards."

Sure thats why it got so much praise.... Oblivion was incredibly good and well designed for 2006 standards, it introduced a ton of features that other games didnt.

"It is the only so called "GOTY" game i have ever played in almost 30 years that didn't have any redeeming quality whatsoever."

Now you're just spewing bullshit. Oblivion has redeeming qualities all over the place.

'Oblivion is the only TES game i have ever played that i never managed to continue after escorting Martin to the Blades Headquarters.'

Maybe its because its the only TES game that features Martin and an escort mission?


Anyway you are probably in the "Retarded Morrowind fanboy" category for all the shit you parrot.

Bashes graphics: Check
Bashes faces: Check
Bashes voice acting: Check
Bashes gameplay: Check
Bashes level scaling: Check
Bashes dialogue: Check
Bashes the story: Check
Bashes the copy paste: Check

You obviously dont have a fucking clue about RPGs in general. You're just a weird specimen that bashes Oblivion alone but somehow enjoy Skyrim which is objectively worse than Oblivion in pretty much every aspect that matters.
 

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Sure thats why it got so much praise.... Oblivion was incredibly good and well designed for 2006 standards, it introduced a ton of features that other games didnt.
Name one.
Oblivion has redeeming qualities all over the place.
I wouldn't say that I agree with either of you. Oblivion has a couple redeeming qualities but not all over the place. The major one is that it requires no thought. Which makes it a great game for shutting off your mind for a few hours. And I can appreciate the need and demand for games like these as I am guilty of playing a few myself. Civilization V being major among them.
You obviously dont have a fucking clue about RPGs in general.
Right after saying that bashing gameplay is a bad thing...
 

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It seems like part of the Codex culture to hate on Oblivion. I dont get it, why are people bashing this game so hard?

because the codex is full of ankle biting losers with terrible tastes in video games. Yeah, oblivion is worse than morrowind, but it's still a very good rpg, especially if you install a few mods to fix the more blatant problems (like the leveling system).
 

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