Will PoE be shit?

[Rake]

JS is the Project director, the blame will be his and only his.

A single person can't micro-manage ~30 others.

And yet people at Ubisoft are coordinating 1000 person teams acrosst different continents. yet somehow Josh can't review the work of 30 persons in the same office

His job is to recognise the problems, not farting idiotic systems but also impementing them. Read the last quote on your signature ffs

Josh is also the system designer, along with Tim Cain, so it is his job to design systems. So far I see nothing wrong with his sytems, any failures will be on the programming or content side. The fault with execution lies with those executing the content.

So far design is the biggest problem.The lack of proper feedback, idiotic engagement system that should had been cut ages ago, flashy spell effects that hide everything, excesive micromanagement etc.
All these are to be blamed on Sawyer, at least partly

 

[Johannes]

If I remember correctly there's a lot of special abilities and spells for all classes in this game. So I'm interested whether any of them are anything cool? Invisibility, dimension door, invulnerability (to X), mind control, spell shield/protection/turning, breach/dispel, decisive status effects... Or is it all just different kinds of +1 boosts and damagedealers with different AoEs and ranges?

 

[Lhynn]

I'm perfectly willing to blame the other developers at Obsidian for failing to live up to Sawyer's vision. Sawyerism cannot fail, it can only be failed by people who are not Josh Sawyer.

Fucking hell, i had a hard time trying to figure out if you were being serious or just trolling, both possibilities amused me to no end. Thanks for making me laugh Roguey.

 

[cherry blossom]

I like how your response to my correction of your pedantry was weaseling.

It is as much weaseling as referencing to an entirely different game with an entirely different focus in an attempt to justify your lack of appreciation.

 

[Lhynn]

Duraframe300 Do you happen to know if sawyer plays the secret world?

 

[Bubbles]

Duraframe300 Do you happen to know if sawyer plays the secret world?

I think we have somebody else here who would know for sure.

 

[Lhynn]

Duraframe300 Do you happen to know if sawyer plays the secret world?

I think we have somebody else here who would know for sure.

If its not a quote with a source i dont care for anything roguey posts. Or do you mean sensuki?

 

[Monkeyfinger]

It fails at being a "one person run in circles while five other sling stones to the enemy" simulator? Wow, it's even worse than expected. Because that's how the greatest part of encounters in BG1 went: kiting + slinging.

Sorry, but kiting with slings is a messy, tedious tactic reserved for dumb noobs with no imagination. Veterans and decent players use stuff like Sleep, Blindness and Web in BG1. Debuffing, disabling and then destroying has always been the elegant and efficient solution to combat in these games.

any strategy that checks the enemy's saving throw and does nothing on a fail is a last resort strategy, far down the list below kiting

 

[Bubbles]

If its not a quote with a source i dont care for anything roguey posts.

You just have to accept that there's nobody else who's spent so much time digging into Sawyer's innermost secrets. If not asking for a source is the price we have to pay for that, then I'm cool with it.

 

[Norfleet]

any strategy that checks the enemy's saving throw and does nothing on a fail is a last resort strategy, far down the list below kiting

Well, unless it's AOE, in which case, statistically speaking, you're gonna get SOME of them.

I must say I always preferred the strategy where I send a pointman out ahead of the party to draw fire, then throw Resilient Sphere or its ilk on him to make him completely invulnerable to what is about to come, and then just nuke the fuck out of the place. After a titanic barrage of fireballs, nothing survives.

 

[InspectorRumpole]

JS is the Project director, the blame will be his and only his.

A single person can't micro-manage ~30 others.

So you're saying Josh is not perfect after all? :D

 

[Norfleet]

... you're saying game developers should intentionally make design oversights so that players can have fun exploiting them? That's a contradiction.

I wouldn't call them oversights, but yes, developers should intentionally leave such things open as a goal. Players like taking advantage of things, particularly if those things were somehow intuitively obvious and logical from the rules of the game and real world. It was like the time I was playing a MUD when the concept of the "phalanx" emerged out of the simple game rules of the system, where spears, despite their inferior damage, could strike an opponent first due to their superior reach, thus preventing the opponent from striking back. I ordered my entire guild to switch to spears as a primary weapon. They thought I was mad: Spears were shitty weapons, but they did it anyway, and we went about steamrolling other groups in PvP as a phalanx, and they couldn't touch us through our forest of long, pointy sticks. This had not actually been a result that the developers had initially planned for, but as one of them was a history professor or somesuch, he loved it.

 

[Bester]

It's still a shit tactic though, anything that bypasses HP in a HP-game is an automatic design failure.

You couldn't be more wrong. Even in MTG and Hex there are cards that are "instant win". They just require certain conditions and a huge amount of luck, which makes them not OP, but might just let you win in a desperate situation.
And in Poker there is almost always a chance of winning on the river even if you've got 95% of losing right now.
That's what makes games thrilling - a combination of skill AND luck.

Just to give you an example of a game that has no luck, but is purely skill based - chess. Chess is not fun.

Read Matt Barton's book on RPG history to understand how fun appeared in RPG games in the first place, how we arrived at D&D rules and why: http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Desktops-History-Computer-Role-Playing/dp/1568814119

You're so clueless...

 

[Turrul]

I'm perfectly willing to blame the other developers at Obsidian for failing to live up to Sawyer's vision. Sawyerism cannot fail, it can only be failed by people who are not Josh Sawyer.

This shit is gold.

 

[Roguey]

And yet people at Ubisoft are coordinating 1000 person teams acrosst different continents. yet somehow Josh can't review the work of 30 persons in the same office

So if an Ubisoft game is good/bad you're just going to blame one person? Sounds ridiculous to me.

Even in my IWD articles I gave credit/blame to individual designers whenever I could.

So far design is the biggest problem.The lack of proper feedback, idiotic engagement system that should had been cut ages ago, flashy spell effects that hide everything, excesive micromanagement etc.
All these are to be blamed on Sawyer, at least partly

All these things sound like beta issues to me.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Now that Josh Sawyer isn't held back by Sega, a bad engine or grognards, he can design the perfect game and be the designer off in the clouds he's always aspired to be

Sawyerism cannot fail, it can only be failed by people who are not Josh Sawyer.

And now it's literally every one else's fault except Sawyer's that the system Sawyer designed is shit? Quite a stark contrast to your previous statement. Unless this is your way of saying that unregulated Sawyerism boils down making shit games for casuals with poor taste? After all you've said that you like the gameplay of his previous games and that your and Sawyer's perception of what constitutes good gameplay or a good video game is not that of normal people/people who actually play RPGs and enjoy them.

 

[Sam Ecorners]

So uhhh, what are the chances of Obsidian pulling a WL2? Wl2 was hated in beta, people talked about it having no soul, generic, shit blah blah

Now, all of a sudden it's super incline, old-skewl and

What are the chances of same shit happening here, cuz it's kkkodex and

 

[Ulminati]

I still hate WL2. It's mediocre at best. Wait for the honeymoon buzz to wear off. The Codex fapped to Dragon Age as well.

 

[Infinitron]

What are the chances of same shit happening here, cuz it's kkkodex and

I would say that chances are high, but not as high, because it's RTwP.

 

[Weirdstuffinspace]

Obviously the only way to eleminate outside influence destroying sawyer's pure vision is for him to work alone.

Sawyer must become the new Cleve.

 

[Bubbles]

He's still young enough to do that Darklands-style game on his own.

 

[Ulminati]

Obviously the only way to eleminate outside influence destroying sawyer's pure vision is for him to work alone.

Sawyer must become the new Cleve.

To make an Epic for the ages, you must take ages to make it!

 

[Ninjerk]

I still hate WL2. It's mediocre at best. Wait for the honeymoon buzz to wear off. The Codex fapped to Dragon Age as well.

SRR, too (somewhere between mediocre and decent, imo).

Obviously the only way to eleminate outside influence destroying sawyer's pure vision is for him to work alone.

Sawyer must become the new Cleve.

To make an Epic for the ages, you must take ages to make it!

What prosperous wisdom

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

P:E will not even play similar to IE games, but a sordid hybrid of Sawyerism and RTwP

 

[Bradylama]

RTwP can suck my chode. I only hope all of this gorejuss 2D technology can be repurposed for a proper turn-based RPG.