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Where did this clueless idiot come from?
Sodomy said:Everyone on the internet is a genius who is a member of MENSA.
Too bad what you quoted had nothing to do with your "argument", such as it is.
And how do I know that card belongs to you? It's easy to find someone's MENSA card and upload it to your photobucket.janjetina said:Sodomy said:Everyone on the internet is a genius who is a member of MENSA.
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You were saying something, dumbfuck?
And in what manner does that post show that my intelligence limits how I can express my thoughts?Really? That post was what my argument was all about.
Sodomy said:Learn to understand context. Since DA didn't put a time-based penalty on the player, either, and he was comparing DA to BG2, your argument only makes you look like a dumbass.janjetina said:Sodomy said:lolwut?Soulforged said:In Baldur's Gate 2 you were not rushed to do anything so you could explore and disperse yourself in various tasks across a sprawning city .
Your sister being kidnapped, and, presumably, tortured, isn't a reason to hurry?
It is not, unless the game compels you to hurry, by imposing certain time based penalties. Otherwise, you are only LARPing that you have to hurry (this is the right context for the use of that word).
Too bad you're not given that option because you still, eventually, have to go fucking rescue her.EDIT: Also, perhaps you simply didn't care for her?
Mareus said:She got captured by the cowled wizards and there is a lot of lore in Amn about them to give you a hint that Imoen will be relatively safe with them.
Darth Roxor said:Mareus said:She got captured by the cowled wizards and there is a lot of lore in Amn about them to give you a hint that Imoen will be relatively safe with them.
Safe like in the cutscenes showing Irenicus escaping and slaughtering them?
Sodomy said:And how do I know that card belongs to you? It's easy to find someone's MENSA card and upload it to your photobucket.
a dumbass grasping at straws.
And in what manner does that post show that my intelligence limits how I can express my thoughts?
What, you mean aside from the dreams with Irenicus?Mareus said:1. From what part of your ass did you pull out this moronic tale how Imoen would be be presumably tortured?
1 requires giving a shit about Jaheria and Minsc (hint: I didn't). 2 means having to have known that he stole your soul (where the fuck did that happen? I only got to chapter 3- the game was too fucking bland to finish- but I never saw that). 4 gives just as good of a reason to hurry as 3 does.2. There are many motives that can motivate you to try and find your way into the Asylum, so rescuing Imoen might not be important to you at all. Motives in BG2:
- Killing Irenicus for killing and torturing your friends
- Killling Irenicus for stealing your soul and torturing you
- Rescuing Imoen
- Preventing Irenicus from spreading destruction upon the world
Because charging an archdemon that you don't even know how you're going to kill is a good idea?3. In DA, the sense of urgency is much greater than in BG2 for 2 main reasons.
- In BG2 you witness Irenicus' power, so it would be moronic to go after him unprepared and it would be even more stupid to charge the cowled wizard's asylum until you are very well prepared. Also, like I already mentioned the lore about cowled wizards hints you that Imoen will be relatively safe.
Did I ever claim that isn't a problem? Or are you coming up with a strawman so that you can argue more easily?- In DA, the Darkspawn are fucking attacking and killing evrything, yet for some reason after 30% into the game thay don't move an inch??? Fucking stupid!
Congratulations! You may have proven one tiny side point.janjetina said:Sodomy said:And how do I know that card belongs to you? It's easy to find someone's MENSA card and upload it to your photobucket.
a dumbass grasping at straws.
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OK, put the word "story-wise" in my claim (which should be obvious, given that it's the only way in which DA has any urgency). Yes, story-wise, the game's cutscenes DO act as though there is an urgency there. Yet we're going to do sidequests all over Athlakta? It's the exact same setup as DA.You try to establish the equality of the lack of urgency in the BG2 and DA quests (which I agree with). However, you try to do it by making a claim that can be interpreted as nothing else but a claim of urgency of the BG2 "save Imoen" quest, and when your mistake is pointed to you, instead of learning from your mistakes you enter the full dumbfuck mode. This makes me sad, as I would rather humiliate an ESF dumbfuck than someone who has similar taste in games as me.
The text I quoted was your "OMG, THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK IMOEN MIGHT BE TORTURED!!!" line. The dreams show that there is a reason to think that. Your first point failed, no matter whether it's a good idea to assault the asylum or not.Mareus said:Yeah, you get a few nightmares, so what? It doesn't change the fact it would be suicidal to try and rescue her unprepared. The nightmares only serve as a reminder that although she is in a prison guarded by the cowled wizards, she might not be safe for long. And still you get other motives to go into asylum.
Did I claim DA had other motives? No? Then I guess this is just yet another strawman, right?Great, you still get other motives to go after Irenicus, unlike in DA, where its just TEH BLIGHT! OMG! YOU ARE TEH ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE TEH WORLD!!
So finding a shitty RTS where you control 6 units at a time with no economic layer bland implies that one is a moron? Riiiight...BG2 can be bland only to morons.
You said that it would be unwise to charge Irenicus unprepared, thus giving the character a good reason to do other quests. I am saying that charging the archdemon would be would be similarly unwise.Are you fucking retarded or what? When did i mention the fucking archdemon?
Apparently you didn't play the game- once you start making progress, they start coming for you as you travel, rather than waiting passively.I only said its stupid that the "blight zombies" pose a serious threat to the whole world, yet after Ostergar, they only capture 1 town and then they wait for you to gather the army!
Never claimed otherwise. But it's also retarded in BG2.It's retarded no matter how you try to justify it.
Humans should still be far more common than darkspawn in the areas that haven't been taken over yet, so not particularly retarded.And even more retarded is the fact that when i was around 50% of the game i killed more bandits than blight monsters! How fucking retarded is that?
No more than you'd expect Irenicus to, you know, actually do something while you're pissing around Athlakta.Yes there is, cause you would expect the blight to spread from town to town, at least how dangerous it is portrayed in the beginning
Never claimed otherwise.And the fact that Denerim is bland, is only proof of lame design, nothing else.
More than half. Really, the only good ones were the alienage and the Landsmeet.Besides, half of the quests you got were lame as well there
Both games did it wrong.so its just lame design. BG2 did it right, DA didnt.
Kaanyrvhok said:The more I play DA the more amazed I am. The game gets most of the major things right yet it fails at the little things. The contradictions are amusing.
How do you spend that much time in development and end up with a unified inventory?
How do you produce a game thats built ground up for the PC thats so loaded with technical shortcomings and limitations?
Why such horrible encounters with such splendid qwest structure?
Didnt anyone see a problem with the scaling?
I'm not sure what "ant optimization" is. I know about the capability of the engine because I've played the game and I read through a great number of the scripts which give hints about this particular point. And no Dragon Age doesn't crawl while you respect that limit (which is about 30 creatures at once).Raghar said:They didn't have even procedurally generated rooms, nor ant optimization. And what do you know about the capability of the "engine" to have multiple characters on screen at once, and its ability to process AI for large numbers of characters? Bioware's games traditionally sucked when someone tried to place slightly more characters into the game. NWN2 crawls with 30? characters. DA is unlikely to be much better.
So they did nothing but were interesting nontheless? Sure, suit yourself. However we're talking about different things here, one thing is the creature which roams peacefully around a city and another is to have intelligent and reactive creatures fight back on the same screen.No time for dragons had a LOT of people in cities, which while they did exactly nothing were at least interesting element.
Nah, I have no problems with jews, niggers, or asians. Just fucking slavs.GarfunkeL said:Sodomy argues like Nomask (probably an old alt he has saved)
Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh... not like you were getting any special abilities when you had dreams. Not like the dreams in bg had "deep" meaning. Not like those dreams had anything to do with the story. Not like there's any gameplay in those dreams.Mareus said:"The text I quoted was your "OMG, THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK IMOEN MIGHT BE TORTURED!!!" line. The dreams show that there is a reason to think that. Your first point failed, no matter whether it's a good idea to assault the asylum or not."
OMF GOD! You are really grabbing the straws here! Its a fucking dream, a nightmare! Nothing else. Its not like the dreams were portrayed as a vision of what is actually happening.
Jesus fucking Christ, you guys are really tiresome. No one said that dreams weren't deep, or that they didn't impact the story or that they weren't meaningful. The argument here is if the dreams gave you the feeling: "GAAAWD, IMOEN IS PROBABLY BEING TORTURED! I MUST HURRY AND SAVE HER!!!"Black said:Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh... not like you were getting any special abilities when you had dreams. Not like the dreams in bg had "deep" meaning. Not like those dreams had anything to do with the story. Not like there's any gameplay in those dreams.Mareus said:"The text I quoted was your "OMG, THERE'S NO REASON TO THINK IMOEN MIGHT BE TORTURED!!!" line. The dreams show that there is a reason to think that. Your first point failed, no matter whether it's a good idea to assault the asylum or not."
OMF GOD! You are really grabbing the straws here! Its a fucking dream, a nightmare! Nothing else. Its not like the dreams were portrayed as a vision of what is actually happening.
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Completely irrelevant to the story and your character. Just like any other dream or nightmare, right?
I bet you guys all had those nightmares. Some wacky shit is happening, you wake up and BAM- you can transform into an avatar of destruction.
Not even OBEE or LD can beat that shit, I tell you.
Those are your fucking words and that's bullshit. Dreams DO show you what is actually happening in more or less bizarre way and they DO HAVE impact on the game's "reality".Its not like the dreams were portrayed as a vision of what is actually happening.
Yeah, dreams that grant you divine power. Using the word "just" here is dumb.But they remain just dreams and nothing else
Black has debunked you pretty well on this one, but I'd add that anyone who's remotely genre savvy knows that in an RPG dreams always reflect what's about to happen.Mareus said:OMF GOD! You are really grabbing the straws here! Its a fucking dream, a nightmare! Nothing else. Its not like the dreams were portrayed as a vision of what is actually happening.
At best, I can agree that the dream can make you want to hurry and save her, but even then only if you actually played a character who:
1. Either cares for her so much that he would do a suicide mission to save her
2. Or is retarded enough to charge the asylum unprepared based on a fucking dream!
If you play any kind of moderately intelligent character, you will guide yourself by the things you know for sure and not fucking dreams. And the things you know for sure are that Imoen is in a prison, guarded by a bunch of powerful mages which numbers are so great they managed to subdue even Irenicus. Dreams are just dreams for fuck's sake.
Furtermore there is a big difference between she might be tortured and as you said it the first time and I quote: is presumably tortured. When you look at the things you know for sure, the chances of her actually being tortured by Irenicus are very slim (so when you say she might be tortured, i can agree to that, because the possibility exists), but saying she is presumably being tortured would mean that it is probably already happening, and nothing in the game makes you think that, unless you are retarded enough to accept dreams as facts.
See, this is where you have to back your statement up with logic and facts, instead of just reiterating that you're correct. Not that I'd expect that level of discourse out of a BG2 fan.Calling one of the best RPGs ever created a shitty RTS is retarded. Sorry.
This has nothing to do with what you quoted, therefore, I can only assume you agree that charging the archdemon at the start of the game would have been suicidal and, if anything, counterproductive.Yes, I said that only because you are trying to impose a tale how in BG2 there is great feeling of urgency done wrong, completely ignoring the fact that BG2 does it right. It gives you motives and it gives you a reason to take your time. In DA, you have the blight, which is nothing more than a bunch of monsters who like to kill people, so if you take your time and do all the retarded "WOW" quests like deliver 3 letters to 3 morons, it feels out of place, since the monsters are running around and are presumably (see how to use the word ) killing thousands of people, thus the feeling of urgency is much greater than in BG2, where Irenicus and Imoen are safe behind bars.
The bandits never attack in camp. Is it the best way to portray an invasion? Of course not. But it does show that the darkspawn are at least doing something.Yeah, just like the bandits I guess that's how a blight invasion looks like Sorry to disappoint you, but for me this is still not an invasion, just retarded design.
There, fixed it for you.BG2 does it no better.
So, in an area where the invasion hasn't reached, you'd expect to see more darkspawn than humans? Really? This must be like that thing Cleve was talking about.It's very retarded considering there is a blight invasion happening.
Yeah, because you're given no reason to think that Irenicus might be powerful enough to escape, right?He was captured and imprisoned for fuck's sake. With your line of thinking, i guess you would find it more logical if he escaped the same day he was captured. LOL! On the other hand it doesn't make any sense for monsters in DA to stop for a lunch break considering they killed the king, wiped out most of the gray wardens, and the world being disunited.
Wrong.Nope. DA is miles behind BG2, on all accounts.
Maybe you should go back to Oblivion? I hear it's graphics are great!Fuck! Even the graphic sucks compared to Baldur's Gate 2.