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Developer's Wives Strike Back!

bat_boro

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The wives of Rockstar San Diego's employees post their concern with the working conditions in the company. From what they say, it looks like a terrible place to work for, but I guess this is nothing less than expected from an evil, evil corporation. Personally, I blame capitalism for that, but I'll let you judge for yourself:

To whomever it may concern,

In response to the unfortunate circumstances, some wives of Rockstar San Diego employees have collected themselves to assert their concerns and announce a necessary rejoinder, in the form of an immediate action to ameliorate conditions of employees.

The turning for the worse came approximately in the month of March of 2009. Till present, the working conditions persists to deteriorate as employees are manipulated by certain hands that wield the reigns of power in Rockstar San Diego. Furthermore, the extent of degradation employees have suffered extends to their quality of life and their family members. Though it is presumed, this unfortunate circumstance is due largely to ignorance and unawareness of most, with enlightened knowledge, action must be taken to protect the rights of employees and those who depend on them. Realizing that such broad claims could hardly spark any interest to take a stand, a better illustration of the wrongs made unto Rockstar San Diego workers is necessary. Futhermore, the detailed descriptions about to be given can serve as a starting point as it will provide a clearer direction for change.

Initially, as work pressure in the office increases, so do the stress levels of employees. Recently, with the amount of stress that has been built up, there have been physical manifestations caused by stress making health a concern. It is known that some employees have been diagnosed with depression symptoms and at least one among them is acknowledged to have suicidal tendencies. These will not be ameliorated with a full time masseuse and will only worsen if no change to improve conditions take place and managers continue with their dishonesty of deadlines. There are understandably times when crunching in work is needed and extended working time is expected. However; as with all systems known to man, there must always be an effort for balance. Ergo, where there are times of acceleration, there are other times of deceleration in order to recuperate. This is not being practiced though, and instead of valued employees, a sentiment grows that they have lost not only the sense of being valued but turned into machines as they are slowly robbed of their humanity. The managers at Rockstar San Diego continue in their dishonesty, pushing their employees to the brink promising temporariness fully equipped with the knowledge of another deadline just around the corner. The reigns whip again, and it becomes mandatory to work close to twelve hours a day including Saturdays, regardless if an employee has finished all his duties prior. These, yes all these are horrendous, yet what makes it unacceptable has yet to come. The fact that these conditions, the same ones that have been proven time and time again to worsen the mental, physical and emotional parts of employees, are also met with further obstruction of employees rights. That of even any effort to retain any health still owned by the employee by seeking medical attention on a Saturday, because on Sundays most medical offices are closed, they must call in sick. Furthermore, not only is it not received with sympathy and understanding rather the must endure an attitude presented to them that they pose a hindrance! No, such core hours step outside the law and will not be accepted as the norm!

In the last years, there have also been many cuts on benefits despite the increasing demands on employees. After dedicated hard work on a project, weeks of comp time were offered as a reward and illustration of appreciation and understanding. Far from what is currently being met by the employees after nearly a year of constant strenuous activity. Little is there to motivate continuation as they also have lost a free vacation week between Christmas and New Year. Without time to recuperate and no efforts made to alleviate the stress of such conditions would procure on an employee after a period time, serious health concerns. Yet, now the health concern becomes another financial concern as the stripping of medical benefits surfaces to realization. It becomes rather worse rather than better as employees gain experience and become "senior". Instead of appreciation, numerous non-exempt designers and artists have had their overtime pay cut as a result for being "too senior". Looking to upper management provides no comfort rather the contrary. With unsuitable behavior from a newly promoted studio manager that vulgarly speaks the F word in most sentences and those who refuse to look at the workers' faces as they pass in the hall, it is clear their attempt to ignore the injustice they have implemented on their once valued and appreciated employees. Perhaps it should be them who explain to our children and loved ones the absence of their increasingly frustrated fathers.

Yet and still, there is more to be said of the working conditions that Rockstar San Diego employees have had to suffer. While managing to endure through the trying times, they still were hit with more blows. Again balance is denied, as working conditions worsened with no appreciation. Working harder, longer, faster, yet there was never a guarantee of a bonus nor if there was any earned, when they will be received! Moreover, bonuses could significantly be reduced based on ANYTHING management comes up with, while the employee would have no way to know about it. Thus bringing to light, the current Rockstar management has grown a thirst for power as it enables itself to grow in the Rockstar's structure. Besides bonuses, financial appreciation has lacked in other aspects as well. For four consecutive years, salary raises have not adjusted properly to cover inflation. This is especially unjust to those who significantly contribute to projects. Further than unappreciative, employees are disrespected when lied to as a whole on how Rockstar games does not generate money and as claims of justification for unappreciated employees are made pointing to the deficit, meanwhile the last Grand Theft Auto game made over a billion dollars of revenue. “Over a billion dollars of revenue”, so where is the recognition and appreciation to those of whom, without them, such success would not have been made?

Conclusively, if these working conditions stay unchanged in the upcoming weeks, preparation will be made to take legal action against Rockstar San Diego. This is the course that naturally presents itself, as either these conditions were manufactured from unawareness and actions to improve conditions will prove such innocence. Or if no action is seen after this letter, it clear that other aspects are the cause of the deteriorated conditions of Rockstar San Diego employees and must be further addressed. Rest assure, all that is desired is compensation for health, mental, financial, and damages done to families of employees.

With all due respect,

Determined Devoted Wives of Rockstar San Diego employees.
 

Pablosdog

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that's pretty fucked up. The smart thing would have been to bring their lawyers in WHILE this was happening, and collect enough evidence to support a civic case.
 

KalosKagathos

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some drama queen said:
Yet and still, there is more to be said of the working conditions that Rockstar San Diego employees have had to suffer. While managing to endure through the trying times, they still were hit with more blows. Again balance is denied, as working conditions worsened with no appreciation. Working harder, longer, faster, yet there was never a guarantee of a bonus nor if there was any earned, when they will be received! Moreover, bonuses could significantly be reduced based on ANYTHING management comes up with, while the employee would have no way to know about it.
No bonus? Does it mean that poor game designers and progammers are forced, FORCED to live on pathetic 3000 dollars or so of official salary a month? What is this world coming to?
 

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it becomes mandatory to work close to twelve hours a day including Saturdays, regardless if an employee has finished all his duties prior
This part really makes sense to me. I used to work as a business consultant in one of the big 4. Quite a stressful job, but well paid indeed. One thing really seemed odd at the time: my coworkers used to end their day much later than me although they had obviously quite the same amount of work as me.
Two explanations:
a) I was smarter and thus more efficient
b) they stayed at work late to show their commitment
While a) isn't completely to be set aside, I firmly believe that b) was the main reason for their staying late. And quite logically, those who worked later than me were most often exhausted and stressed to the point of mental instability.
So, yes, I can understand those wives plea. I could leave my job and find another well paid one, but I doubt it's that easy in the gaming business.
 
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Law firms where I'm from had a really unhealthy attitude - once they hit a certain size the impression of billing large hours seemed to matter more than actually billing large hours (and I'm sure that more than a few, possibly most, would 'find' unnecessary work to do to increase their billing hours to match). Thing is, there'd be nothing in the contracts saying that you 'had' to work 60+ hour weeks, it would just be an understanding that if you didn't then you would be made redundant with a sudden decision that the firm could no longer (temporarily) support that many lawyers in that part of the office. That would be an absolute clear-cut case of unfair dismissal (calling something a redundancy doesn't actually make it a redundancy rather than a dismissal), but that would seriously jeapordise your chances of getting a new job elsewhere.

Or at least enough people would assume that it would - no-one would actually try to push it, and so it was just standard practice. Of course, lawyers get paid pretty well for those long hours - though less comparatively (vs other professions) than in the UK or US. But you compare it to, say, engineers who over here have a collective attitude of 'I didn't go to uni to have to work hard, so I'm off at 5 unless you pay me overtime, and if you don't like it then you can f*** off because every other engineer you could hire thinks the same way I do', and they get paid about the same as lawyers while working a flat 40 hour week. Sometimes an industry can get screwed over by its own dedication - when everyone wants to be the megastar super-powered hard-working rise-up-the-ladder type, then they all cancel each other out and end up doing absurd hours without the payoff you'd expect.
 

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Destroid said:
Unpaid overtime makes me RAAAAGE I should work for a union or something.
Unions have no power in these kinds of structure, it seems.
 

Zed

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Wives want new cars and jewelry.

Heh... jew..elry.
 

Hory

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If I was a Rockstar dev's wife I'd be concerned that he takes no pride in his work, doing unbelievably shitty PC ports.
 

Dnny

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KalosKagathos said:
some drama queen said:
Yet and still, there is more to be said of the working conditions that Rockstar San Diego employees have had to suffer. While managing to endure through the trying times, they still were hit with more blows. Again balance is denied, as working conditions worsened with no appreciation. Working harder, longer, faster, yet there was never a guarantee of a bonus nor if there was any earned, when they will be received! Moreover, bonuses could significantly be reduced based on ANYTHING management comes up with, while the employee would have no way to know about it.
No bonus? Does it mean that poor game designers and progammers are forced, FORCED to live on pathetic 3000 dollars or so of official salary a month? What is this world coming to?

Fuck you. I don't see why developers shouldn't get rich from the WORK they do while the middle men that don't actually create any value whatsoever earn ten times the amount devs do. No developers, no software, bitch.
 

saenz

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Big Nose George said:
Its like that time when Spartacus asked his wife to write a letter to the Senate.

Exactly, how fucking pathetic is this shit? What's next, a note from their mom?

They're being treated like shit because they're sad sack pussies who let themselves get pushed around. If your wife is the one negotiating with your boss, there's the root of the problem right there.
 
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Ogg said:
Destroid said:
Unpaid overtime makes me RAAAAGE I should work for a union or something.
Unions have no power in these kinds of structure, it seems.
Yes, we have enough blood suckers in the publishers, we don't need unions to leech on as well.
 

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KalosKagathos said:
No bonus? Does it mean that poor game designers and progammers are forced, FORCED to live on pathetic 3000 dollars or so of official salary a month? What is this world coming to?

$36,000 a year before deductions?

For a 12 hour day, 6 days a week.

In a major city?

San Diego

"Personal income

In 2000, the median income for a household in the city was $45,733, and the median income for a family was $53,060.[54] Males had a median income of $36,984 versus $31,076 for females. The per capita income for the city was $23,609.[54] About 10.6% of families and 14.6% of the population were below the poverty line, including 20.0% of those under age 18 and 7.6% of those age 65 or over. SANDAG estimates that, by 2008, the household median income rose to $66,715.
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Zed said:
Wives want new cars and jewelry.

Heh... jew..elry.

Yeah, you know how every couple of years Hollywood pushes out the same film under a different name, with marginal script changes, about the 'workaholic' father whose family is being alienated by his misplaced dedication to his job? And how in the end he always realises that spending more time with family is what really matters, and tells his boss to shove it before sliding into some deus ex machina solution to any financial problems that might arise (usually by starting his own business, ignoring the fact that doing so would almost certainly result in a massive increase in working hours).

Just once, just once I'd love to see Hollywood make the opposite movie: 'workaholic' father agrees to spend more time with his family, and gets sidelined or made redundant from his work as a result. Consequently his family gets increasingly alienated by their lack of holidays and threat of mortgage foreclosure, and then in the happy disney finish the father realises the true value of working silly hours for the sake of his family and goes back to working long office hours rather than playing football in the back yard with his kids who would much rather that he could still afford that xbox 360 and swimming pool that he promised them last christmas:)
 
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Redeye said:
KalosKagathos said:
No bonus? Does it mean that poor game designers and progammers are forced, FORCED to live on pathetic 3000 dollars or so of official salary a month? What is this world coming to?

$36,000 a year before deductions?

For a 12 hour day, 6 days a week.

In a major city?

San Diego

"Personal income

In 2000, the median income for a household in the city was $45,733, and the median income for a family was $53,060.[54] Males had a median income of $36,984 versus $31,076 for females. The per capita income for the city was $23,609.[54] About 10.6% of families and 14.6% of the population were below the poverty line, including 20.0% of those under age 18 and 7.6% of those age 65 or over. SANDAG estimates that, by 2008, the household median income rose to $66,715.
"

Even allowing for exchange rate and comparative buying power, $36,000 a year is awful for a skilled job, especially one where uni education is expected, even in Australia. And I say 'even in Australia' because despite being the only western country to continue booming through the global recession (gloat :D ), we're one of those semi-socialist places where the gap between professionals and non-professionals isn't nearly as high as the US or UK (though we're still way more capitalist than, say, anywhere in Scandinavia). A truck driver without any formal qualification or skilled training can earn around $120,000 (that's $92,450 US) on the mines, and that isn't the 'hot and difficult' mining work, that's the easy stuff. If you want to actually be doing physical work you can earn well in excess of $200,000 (or $184,900 US) on the mines without any skilled qualification or previous training.

If you want to live in a major city then it gets harder, but your average plumber or moderately skilled tradesman can expect to pocket around $80,000 to $100,000 once he reaches mid-career - and a whole lot more than that for high-skill trades like electricians or boiler-makers.

Not saying those guys don't earn their pay packet. They do, especially given that they're basically signing up for either bad backs by their mid 40s, or working in unpleasant conditions (like plumbers - no bad backs, but lots of working with filth). But those guys get good pay almost straight off the bat, whereas professionals have to spend a number of years at uni, then usually a period of low pay while they're learning the ropes after graduating. I don't think that necessarily should put them AHEAD of a good tradesman, and I really like the fact that in Australia a hardworking tradesman can get about the same as someone in a profession (we only pay a fraction of our uni costs, and it just gets added into your income tax, so you only pay it when your income hits a high enough level, so we don't have the 'must earn more to justify the education' that the US has), but I think it should at least put them on a par.

Now keep in mind the skillset that computer programmers are bringing on board. Not the designers mind you, the code monkeys and so forth. Good heads for mathematics, perhaps a degree down that line, can do repetitive work - it strikes me that the comparable career paths should be engineering or economics, as that's what plenty of them would have been suited for, and they're getting a ton less pay than those careers for a similar educational investment and longer working hours.

Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed if my spouse was working in those conditions as well.
 

Big Nose George

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saenz said:
Big Nose George said:
Its like that time when Spartacus asked his wife to write a letter to the Senate.

Exactly, how fucking pathetic is this shit? What's next, a note from their mom?

They're being treated like shit because they're sad sack pussies who let themselves get pushed around. If your wife is the one negotiating with your boss, there's the root of the problem right there.

Just imagine if all mothers said to their sons to stay home. There would be no war.
 

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Dnny said:
Fuck you. I don't see why developers shouldn't get rich from the WORK they do while the middle men that don't actually create any value whatsoever earn ten times the amount devs do. No developers, no software, bitch.
Fuck you. If they are unsatisfied with their salary they should ask for an increase. If the request is refused and if it's a big deal to them they should leave and search for a better employer. Whining about not getting a bonus is something that only drama queens like Itagaki do.
 

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They may be whiners and incompetent at basic social relations, hence they are unable to get paid what they deserve by regular means, but that doesn't change the facts that they should get paid according to their work and greedy useless management bloodsuckers should share their profit with the ones responsible for it.
 

ghostdog

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Welcome to the corporate world, where you get fucked while working as a company employee. Sure you could say you get a good salary if you actually worked 8 hours, but most likely you're working about 10-12 hours per day and there's no fucking way you'll get paid overhours. What, we're supposedly in the middle of an international financial crisis ? You get fucked twice and say: thank you sir.
 

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well if you complain nowadays they simply sack you and bring in someone else.
 

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