New Civ V Expansion Announced: Call Everyone Else Heretics and Fill Their Cities With Spies

[Whisky]

I remember the one time I played Civ 5 before quitting in disgust. I was playing as Babylon and all I did was shoot people with archers. That's all it took to kill the AI. I don't think I lost a single unit during that one game.

Civ 5 was a fucking embarrassment. They dumbed it down so bad, they didn't even have government options. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

 

[circ]

Heh archers. I once destroyed every other civ with two scouts. They kept making units... to attack barbarians as I was capturing their cities.

 

[IDtenT]

Pre-orders are up for those Codexian enough to play it 7 times.

Thing is, a sequel would be good because SMAC is pretty well know today, it would sell well to almost any 4X fan. There would be more stimulus for them to make a new SMAC and for people to buy it than for a sequel.

When I first heard about this whole crowd-funding outburst, I've got hopeless thought of Brian Reynolds also jumping on bandwagon.
This way brand recognition wouldn't be such a problem.
Any 4x from him would be much expected.

Not going to happen. He doesn't seem like a fellow that sits still for very long, because well he's never sat still for very long. Highly doubt he'll ever supply to the niche market again. He's not the only one, by a long shot. Then again, we've got Wasteland II, so I dunno. Developers coming back to do what they did?

 

[circ]

Reynold's later output has been pretty much just 4x. Civ 2, SMAC, Rise of Nations, Rise of something else (sec, wiki) Legends, some add-on for AoE 3. A lot of those are his own designs too, so I don't know, I'd say he hasn't given up on 4x entirely.

 

[UF6]

Promotions added micromanagement to a series that was already overloaded with micromanagement.

Promotions added micromanagement to a series that was already overloaded with micromanagement.

My main issue with promotions was that they added almost nothing to the game. They were simply way too weak to matter usually and also a no brainer choice so no real way to specialize...

I suggest you look into Caveman to Cosmos as a megamod for Civilization IV.

 

[UF6]

I deeply dislike Civilization V, I could rant about my dislike for the game. I won't rant much since I'm sure many here have the same issues and complaints as I had.

As for this expansion pack, I find this funny it not just a watered down DLC like everything these days. That said I doubt adding extra stuff will fix a game already bugged with issues to a game engine that is not mod friendly.

I'm always been baffled why they added Theodora I over Justinian I in most games. I mean Civ III: Theodora I , Civ IV: Justinian I, and finally Civ V: Theodora I. Not to mention how she lacked the total authority that Justinian I had, although she was large influence on him. I still find this odd.

 

[attackfighter]

Must be hard finding female rulers.

 

[Don Peste]

Is there any multiplayer turn-based alternative to the Civ series?

 

[sser]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.


I'm sure the marketing crew at Firaxis put another sales trophy on their wall for that shit.

 

[ScottishMartialArts]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.

They've had mythical leaders in past games. Gilgamesh comes to mind. And if you're going to have a female ruler for Carthage, then Dido is a pretty recognizable choice. She would have been a pretty decent queen too, if Venus didn't force her to fall in love with Aeneas.

 

[TheEntitledOne]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.

They've had mythical leaders in past games. Gilgamesh comes to mind. And if you're going to have a female ruler for Carthage, then Dido is a pretty recognizable choice. She would have been a pretty decent queen too, if Venus didn't force her to fall in love with Aeneas.

Still there is no excuse to replace Anibal with her.

 

[OSK]

Still there is no excuse to replace Anibal with her.

Simply put: They needed more female leaders.

Hannibal already shows up in the game as a great general. He's known more as a general than a leader anyway.

 

[Lyesmith]

When I first heard about this whole crowd-funding outburst, I've got hopeless thought of Brian Reynolds also jumping on bandwagon.

Not going to happen.

Can't destroy my dreams, I want to believe etc.

 

[Renegen]

Promotions added micromanagement to a series that was already overloaded with micromanagement.

Promotions added micromanagement to a series that was already overloaded with micromanagement.

My main issue with promotions was that they added almost nothing to the game. They were simply way too weak to matter usually and also a no brainer choice so no real way to specialize...

I suggest you look into Caveman to Cosmos as a megamod for Civilization IV.

I just wanted to add that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD YOU EVER PLAY CAVEMAN 2 COSMOS. It's terrible, I just came out from a pretty heavy binge and I don't want to get into the million reasons what makes it so bad suffice it to say it's so bloated it makes Civ 4's AI look just as bad as Civ 5's AI. There has been no balancing of any kind, specialists still give +1 science or production except here your city will generate hundreds of production... by the classical period. The game forums consist of old timers pitching new techs and nothing else, some of them thought that MMOs or FPS were good tech trees to research, no joke. It's a horrible putrid shit, if you play it I guarantee you won't even make it to the medieval age.

 

[Malakal]

I generally dislike mods with bloated content and it seems like one of those. Even the name suggest its bad: caveman really? What interesting things can you do in the stone age? For me its a clear sign of having to click through hundreds of turns of nothing.

While civ 4 had a lot of places where adding stuff could really work it wasnt in the time before the start of the game, not even after its end. Its in new game mechanics limiting expansion, punishing large empires and adding more units for more eras. So that one unit advance isnt enough to completely dominate the battlefield.

 

[kris]

Realism invictus is good. Lacks the problems Renegen talks about and the AI is really good.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.

They've had mythical leaders in past games. Gilgamesh comes to mind. And if you're going to have a female ruler for Carthage, then Dido is a pretty recognizable choice. She would have been a pretty decent queen too, if Venus didn't force her to fall in love with Aeneas.

Jarl_Frank

Expertise requested.

 

[Malakal]

Realism invictus is good. Lacks the problems Renegen talks about and the AI is really good.

Thanks, I'll try it. Hopefully it doesnt increase difficulty by adding more bonuses for the AI (which works but is very annoying in a fair game sense).

I tried playing Master of Mana but was put off by how easy it was.

 

[JarlFrank]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.

They've had mythical leaders in past games. Gilgamesh comes to mind. And if you're going to have a female ruler for Carthage, then Dido is a pretty recognizable choice. She would have been a pretty decent queen too, if Venus didn't force her to fall in love with Aeneas.

Jarl_Frank

Expertise requested.

You just failed at summoning me. My name is written as JarlFrank. You're lucky I clicked this thread.

Also, I gotta agree with SMA. Dido is a very recognizable character. She's the mythical founder of Carthago, who fled from her brother and landed on the coast of Tunis, where a local chieftain offered her as much land as she can enclose with a large cow's hide. She cut the hide in narrow stripes and enclosed a large amount of land, where she then founded the city of Carthago.

She's a mythical ruler who probably didn't exist (or at least did not have the role the myths put her in) and the main sources that mention her are Vergil (in his Aeneis) and Junianus Justinus. She's pretty well-known as founder of Carthago, but maybe it depends on whether you've studied ancient history/Latin or not. Someone who's never had Latin at school is probably more likely to know Hannibal than Dido, I guess.

Also, I'd consider Gilgamesh to be at least semi-historical instead of purely mythical, based on the Sumerian king lists that mention him as a ruler. Of course, we don't know much about the historic person, but I think there was a real-life Gilgamesh who served as a basis for the myth.

 

[JarlFrank]

Also, while I like content bloat, the main problem with something like Caveman 2 Cosmos is that when you play on a large map, it will consume so much RAM when you've reached about the Renaissance age that the game will crash upon you at almost every second turn.
And the game takes 5+ minutes to even start. As in, there's 5 minutes between clicking the shortcut and the game actually opening.

Damn Civ4's shitty engine.

 

[TheEntitledOne]

Also, while I like content bloat, the main problem with something like Caveman 2 Cosmos is that when you play on a large map, it will consume so much RAM when you've reached about the Renaissance age that the game will crash upon you at almost every second turn.
And the game takes 5+ minutes to even start. As in, there's 5 minutes between clicking the shortcut and the game actually opening.

Damn Civ4's shitty engine.

I don't know the caveman mod, but it sounds a lot like the one of Rise of Mankind. The game becomes too fucking slow even with 8gb. I rather play fall from heaven II (even if the poor AI hurts it a lot).

 

[JarlFrank]

Yeah, Rise of Mankind is great fun and I love it... but it takes up so much RAM at some point during the game that it becomes virtually unplayable. I guess the problem is something in the engine, which sucks.

 

[sser]

Yeah well they made the leader of Carthage a historically unrecognizable woman instead of the guy who almost sacked Rome with a band of babel-speaking misfits.

They've had mythical leaders in past games. Gilgamesh comes to mind. And if you're going to have a female ruler for Carthage, then Dido is a pretty recognizable choice. She would have been a pretty decent queen too, if Venus didn't force her to fall in love with Aeneas.

Jarl_Frank

Expertise requested.

You just failed at summoning me. My name is written as JarlFrank. You're lucky I clicked this thread.

Also, I gotta agree with SMA. Dido is a very recognizable character. She's the mythical founder of Carthago, who fled from her brother and landed on the coast of Tunis, where a local chieftain offered her as much land as she can enclose with a large cow's hide. She cut the hide in narrow stripes and enclosed a large amount of land, where she then founded the city of Carthago.

She's a mythical ruler who probably didn't exist (or at least did not have the role the myths put her in) and the main sources that mention her are Vergil (in his Aeneis) and Junianus Justinus. She's pretty well-known as founder of Carthago, but maybe it depends on whether you've studied ancient history/Latin or not. Someone who's never had Latin at school is probably more likely to know Hannibal than Dido, I guess.

Also, I'd consider Gilgamesh to be at least semi-historical instead of purely mythical, based on the Sumerian king lists that mention him as a ruler. Of course, we don't know much about the historic person, but I think there was a real-life Gilgamesh who served as a basis for the myth.

I completely disagree that she is recognizable to most people, but my point was that she has no basis in history and it is highly likely that without Hannibal's own existence she, or her myth since I don't believe she existed at least in any seat of real power, would never be known in the first place. She is not a good leader pick if you're into having leaders who had actual, real impact on history and civilizations. She's a nice pick if you're part of the marketing crew at Firaxis, though. That's it.

 

[JarlFrank]

If you disagree that she is recognizable, why would she be a good marketing pick?

 

[commie]

They just wanted more 'wimmin' as rulers to balance it out. That's the marketing bit...CIV V, A GAME FOR ALL (TRANS)GENDERS!!!!