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Decline 16: The Banalcing

sqeecoo

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Not an alt, he's Malakal's friend he brought in for D33 from somewhere in the great internet wilderness beyond the walls of the Codex. Since he backstabbed me in D33 we naturally struck up a friendly conversation over steam.
 
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Hey, it's a mod game. People who thought they picked overpowered nations will be disappointed! I'm counting on a hot fix from Johannes just before the game starts.
 

sqeecoo

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Ermor! Interesting. Do you consider it weak/strong/mediocre? I like the theme but can't figure out how to play it at the level where it can compete with elves/giants/blood. Guess I'll see :D
 

Johannes

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Hard to rate them power-wise, there's a lot of things you can do with Ermor but none are particularly strong alone. And you're relying on unarmored human mages, which always can be problematic later on. They're not among the strongest nor the weakest nation, but somewhere in the ambiguous middle - like most nations.
 

Malakal

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No summons and complete reliance on recruitable stuff is one thing. Good D access gives you some late game tho.
 

sqeecoo

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How does good D give you a late game? I mean, spells (there's decent stuff, that I know) or summons? Not enough to get Tarts, so I'm not sure that there's anything gamechanging with the summons, I mean Spectres and such are decent I guess but nothing amazing :)
 

Malakal

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How does good D give you a late game? I mean, spells (there's decent stuff, that I know) or summons? Not enough to get Tarts, so I'm not sure that there's anything gamechanging with the summons, I mean Spectres and such are decent I guess but nothing amazing :)

Tarts obviously, good D gives you good site searching ability and allows to amass D needed for tarts. Also good summons in D, spectres, wraiths, liches.
 

sqeecoo

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Oh, so you'd empower one lich or such for Tarts? Guess that makes sense, I think I did it as well, and I agree that those summons are good. Ok, glad I wasn't missing anything. Now pick a nation Malakal!

I hate Lanka in my test games :D
 

Johannes

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How does good D give you a late game? I mean, spells (there's decent stuff, that I know) or summons? Not enough to get Tarts, so I'm not sure that there's anything gamechanging with the summons, I mean Spectres and such are decent I guess but nothing amazing :)

Tarts obviously, good D gives you good site searching ability and allows to amass D needed for tarts. Also good summons in D, spectres, wraiths, liches.
I don't think Tarts are a big consideration unless you can cast GoH as well. Getting mages / boosters to repeatedly cast a D7 spell just takes too much effort and the effect comes so late, more ofte than not the game's already decided by the time you'd get a proper return on the investment.

Massing Wights, Ghosts, casting Ghost Riders etc. is usually a better use of the endgame D mages / gems / boosters.
 

Malakal

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How does good D give you a late game? I mean, spells (there's decent stuff, that I know) or summons? Not enough to get Tarts, so I'm not sure that there's anything gamechanging with the summons, I mean Spectres and such are decent I guess but nothing amazing :)

Tarts obviously, good D gives you good site searching ability and allows to amass D needed for tarts. Also good summons in D, spectres, wraiths, liches.
I don't think Tarts are a big consideration unless you can cast GoH as well. Getting mages / boosters to repeatedly cast a D7 spell just takes too much effort and the effect comes so late, more ofte than not the game's already decided by the time you'd get a proper return on the investment.

Massing Wights, Ghosts, casting Ghost Riders etc. is usually a better use of the endgame D mages / gems / boosters.

Thats why its called LATE game.
 

Zzz

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Malakal you still too afraid, or will you join up?
Zzz when will you be getting back?

Also, nation picks if one / both of you are in.

I pick Ermor myself.
I'm back late on 3rd April. Edit: I'll try out Pangaea.
 
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Dayyālu

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Is there an interesting nation left?

Maggot - Niefelheim
Anhur - Caelum
Mondblut - Vanheim
Johannes - Ermor
Sqeekoo - Lanka
Shas - Mictlan
coldcrow - Yomi
KoolNoodles - Kailasa
Harpsichord - TNN
Zzz - Pangaea
4th July - Hinnom

Al UW (but the mod is sadly lacking in UW options). Sauro, Mictlan, Pans, Xibalba are still open and they are all "fun". Xibalba particularly so.
 

KoolNoodles

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Is there an interesting nation left?

Maggot - Niefelheim
Anhur - Caelum
Mondblut - Vanheim
Johannes - Ermor
Sqeekoo - Lanka
Shas - Mictlan
coldcrow - Yomi
KoolNoodles - Kailasa
Harpsichord - TNN
Zzz - Pangaea
4th July - Hinnom

Al UW (but the mod is sadly lacking in UW options). Sauro, Mictlan, Pans, Xibalba are still open and they are all "fun". Xibalba particularly so.

Mictlan and Pan taken, but there's Berytos? If there's any way to do coastal start. You got Agartha, Fomoria, TC, Abysia.....what is interesting though?
 
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Initial draft done. Rate my pretender design!

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