- True turn based combat
- Good combat
Shit combat = shit game.
I too would like the phone number of an overly attached sex addicted billionaire model that loves cooking, gaming, and back rubs.
- True turn based combat
- Good combat
Shit combat = shit game.
Being allergic to RTwP is just a shame, it excludes lots of combat focused games. I honestly don't understand what causes this in people,
Great game. Still party-based though. I prefer solo characters or solo with AI henchman or two.Knights of the Chalice
Tried the Spiderweb stuff many years back, couldn't get into it for some reason, but it's about time I gave him another shot.Geneforge series definitely and maybe Space Rangers 2.
I enjoyed the Dark Sun games but iirc they are real time. Am I missing something?Dark Sun: Shattered Lands, Voidspire Tactics
I will play any good game, but I can still be a graphics whore in the sense that I prefer Fallout 1 graphics or better. Truly great games can exceed their graphical limitations but it is a factor. For example I liked Wizardry but prior to 7 it was just too primitive of a look.Well, I see people are recommending games from the 90s. I thought you meant recent and already knew about all the good old ones.
I cannot, generally speaking.If you can deal with strategy/RPG mashups...
Are you high right now?Mark of the Ninja
OKI'm assuming you played Arcanum (in TB mode, which has just as bad combat as FO 1 and 2) so that leaves the following-
- F0 1.5 - very good, high production value. Consider it the real but more indie FO3.
Finished it, pretty decent. Still party based but decent.- WL2 DC, 4 party character creation, can have 2 recruited companions. Best party based crpg since ToEE. Hands down, only pederasts would not see it this way.
Isn't that a strat/rpg mashup?- Expedition Vikings - it is a good crpg with some strategy elements. But scratches the itch. The combat is decent, chardev is decent+, it is worth the money and playing
I thought the consensus was that this was fucking awful and full of bugs and unfinished aspects. Did they fix it all up?- RoE BoD remake with all the DLC - awesome. Only for people with sophisticated crpg tastes. Not for sophomores or usual fake rpg loving philistines. Also Star Trail is in EA.
Played it- MMX if you haven't played that (you mentioned MM and Wiz but figured I'd throw it out there).
Yeah I played them and enjoyed them, but pretty simplistic. Also nearly complete lack of real C&C- The Shadowrun games are okay. I really enjoyed the mmo version called Boston Lockdown - I think it has better combat and better chardev and better itemization.
Very mixed reviews on this one, including from my GF who looked forward to it since it was announced and then ended up hating it. I'll give it a shot.- Blackguards 1 is a great crpg but isn't 100% traditional. It isn't a strategy game either. It has town maps like Wiz&Warriors instead of real towns. Blackguards 2 is a dumbed down version for idiots who whined about the first one being to much game for them to handle and developers were dumb enough to listen to them. It has great combat and great chardev and your small party is all recruited.
AoD is one of my favorites, hundreds of hours into it. So yes I have Dungeon Rats. Bit light on RPG aspects, as intended, but I do love this simplistic combat engine somehow.- Dungeon Rats since you didn't list it
Own it, about halfway done. Something is missing from this one, including the combat. But the setting is so fucking perfect I deal with it.- T:ToN - fits you like a glove. I am with you with everything you said for the most part, and I I am the one who started the shit combat = shit game. That is me and has always been me. I dislike PST as a game because of the combat and other shitty game features of the IE engine, but TToN is a great crpg with better than average TB combat and chardev and even itemization. You are dumb if you don't give it a try. Don't listen to the real rpg haters on this site. They like children's games more than real rpgs or even rpg lite games. Real children games like pokeman and shit. They also love Asian rpg-lite games more than anything else besides Asian children games. Don't listen to these philistines.
Sadly lacking in Chardev. Small number of skills, of which a subset is not worth taking.-Lords of Xiluma - Just look at the steam page. Non-traditional crpg with all the traditional elements. Good game, even better with mods that change the combat system in my opinion.
Yeah, not nearly as good as Arcanum's TB combat amirite? j/k Drog.LOL @ asking for games with good TB combat and listing FO1/2 as good examples of such
Nope, all yours. I like what I like, any portrayal of elitism is strictly intentional. And tongue in cheek. I do think Underrail's combat is at the top of the heap though.If you want to pass as a TB RPG connoisseur....
Have you tried Heroes of Steel?My favorite games are RPGs with small party sizes and turn based combat. That means Fallout 1/2, Underrail and AoD are my all-time tops. I am looking for something I haven't played with the following very particular features:
- An RPG, not one of the trillion RPG recommendations on Steam that turns about to be yet another Strategy game.
- True turn based combat, not RTwP. It was hard to even type it, so much do I hate the latter. Not a huge fan of "simultaneous" TB engines such as Balrum either. There are a few full-party exceptions I enjoyed such as ToEE but yeah.
- Very small party size or else party members controlled by AI, scripted or otherwise. Ideally only a single character
- Isometric or top-down, ideally. I enjoyed the MM and Wizardry series but very few do that type well. Excepting Cleve, ofc
- Good combat, and lots of it. I have hundreds of hours into Underrail. Blah blah blah Planescape Torment best game evar blah. No, no it isn't. Shit combat = shit game.
Have I played them all, all 5 or 6 of them? Seems this type of game is extremely rare. Numenera was underwhelming, although the setting was fantastic.
I enjoyed the Dark Sun games but iirc they are real time. Am I missing something?
Isn't that a strat/rpg mashup?
Very mixed reviews on this one, including from my GF who looked forward to it since it was announced and then ended up hating it. I'll give it a shot.
I thought the consensus was that this was fucking awful and full of bugs and unfinished aspects. Did they fix it all up?
TOME4 was made for this thread. Blackguards one of the best games I ever played, but not sure how it would be with 1 character or if it even lets you. But it would be worth playing either way. Also Baldur's Gate 2 with a single character! It has a turn based mode but you have to unlock it by pressing spacebar every 5 seconds. It is worth it.
Tried the Spiderweb stuff many years back, couldn't get into it for some reason, but it's about time I gave him another shot.
Also Baldur's Gate 2 with a single character! It has a turn based mode but you have to unlock it by pressing spacebar every 5 seconds. It is worth it.
- True turn based combat
- Good combat
Shit combat = shit game.
I too would like the phone number of an overly attached sex addicted billionaire model that loves cooking, gaming, and back rubs.
Yeah, I mentioned it but seemed like I was ignored because of simultaneous TB combatTOME4 was made for this thread.
Heroes of Steel.Thinking more about this, I also prefer a tile or grid system. It's not necessary by any stretch, and the tiles can be hidden, but replaying Dark Sun I realized this. The freeform movement isn't ideal in this game, because it's conducive to mistakes and sloppy combat. Still a good game, but yeah. I like thoughtful combat...precise. That's what makes Underrail so awesome. I've played it dozens of times and each time I find another facet to be exploited.
Thinking more about this, I also prefer a tile or grid system. It's not necessary by any stretch, and the tiles can be hidden, but replaying Dark Sun I realized this. The freeform movement isn't ideal in this game, because it's conducive to mistakes and sloppy combat. Still a good game, but yeah. I like thoughtful combat...precise. That's what makes Underrail so awesome. I've played it dozens of times and each time I find another facet to be exploited.
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