Beamdog working on a new D&D CRPG (cancelled)

[GarfunkeL]

With the rest you wrote I agree more or less I guess. Still scary to think how non-private our lives are becoming

Especially since after the Boston Bombing, 4chan and Reddit detectives fingered two innocent men as the bombers. Because they carried same-looking backpacks as the actual bombers had. Luckily neither man got shot by some overexcited /k/ommando and FBI actually investigated properly.

 

[Klarion]

A thought just crossed my mind - they are releasing NWN:EE soon which could mean that this new CRPG could easily be NWN3. It really might just be that. More probable than new Baldur's Gate or Planescape.

 

[ArchAngel]

A thought just crossed my mind - they are releasing NWN:EE soon which could mean that this new CRPG could easily be NWN3. It really might just be that. More probable than new Baldur's Gate or Planescape.

Does not matter the name as long it is faithful to 5e rules and done well.

 

[Roguey]

A thought just crossed my mind - they are releasing NWN:EE soon which could mean that this new CRPG could easily be NWN3. It really might just be that. More probable than new Baldur's Gate or Planescape.

User friendly toolsets take a lot of work, more work than the Beampups seem capable of doing.

 

[Cross]

A thought just crossed my mind - they are releasing NWN:EE soon which could mean that this new CRPG could easily be NWN3. It really might just be that. More probable than new Baldur's Gate or Planescape.

Beamdog has only ever produced rereleases. It's not exactly difficult to predict what their next project will look like:

1. Think of a D&D game.
2. Then think of various ways to make it worse.

Considering they've exhausted the Infinity Engine (IWD2's source code was lost), I predict their next release will be an 'enhanced' edition of ToEE or NWN2 or maybe some sort of remake of the Gold Box games.

 

[ga♥]

Does WOTC own the rights of TOEE too?

 

[Lilura]

KotOR would have been next on the list to soil, muddle and blaspheme, but:

NWN2 is an Obsidian game and Beamdog don't like the direction it took, anyway (too monocled). They are also on the record as wanting NWN:EE to be NWN2, 3, 4...

ToEE is a Troika game. There is no precedent for enhancing it. Still, they might see Temple+ and go "Ooh, work is done!"

Now, with Gaider gone...

... I don't see them releasing their own RPG anytime soon using Unity/proprietary engine. They will milk NWN:EE as much as possible, releasing their own modules and OC overhauls in an attempt to keep some cash-flow going.

 

[Klarion]

A thought just crossed my mind - they are releasing NWN:EE soon which could mean that this new CRPG could easily be NWN3. It really might just be that. More probable than new Baldur's Gate or Planescape.

Beamdog has only ever produced rereleases. It's not exactly difficult to predict what their next project will look like:

1. Think of a D&D game.
2. Then think of various ways to make it worse.

Considering they've exhausted the Infinity Engine (IWD2's source code was lost), I predict their next release will be an 'enhanced' edition of ToEE or NWN2 or maybe some sort of remake of the Gold Box games.

Except that's not possible because they're making a brand new game, not a enhanced edition of anything.

 

[agris]

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And Beamdog haven't shown they can make a game on their own (interquel expansion doesn't count).

I thought that the encounter design of SoD was quite good, as was the pseudo-random encounters during fast travel. I haven't finished SoD, but I liked what I saw aside from some of the dialogue. The first dungeon in SoD makes Chateau Irenicus look like Bally in Cancún by comparison though.

Also, that Safana v. Corwin dialogue is leagues better than the poorly written tripe above it. For a second, I thought it was original IE.

I know that agendas were acknowledged in the creation of the EEs, but it's equally important to point out what works as well as what doesn't.

 

[Rolo]

It's both in this case, which is a deadly combination. You can have some SJW views, but it won't bother people that much if you are actually a competent writer.

Exactly. See: The Witcher.

 

[fantadomat]

It's both in this case, which is a deadly combination. You can have some SJW views, but it won't bother people that much if you are actually a competent writer.

Exactly. See: The Witcher.

I have miss it,what are the sjw views in the witcher? I am serious mate .

 

[Dzupakazul]

It's both in this case, which is a deadly combination. You can have some SJW views, but it won't bother people that much if you are actually a competent writer.

Exactly. See: The Witcher.

I have miss it,what are the sjw views in the witcher? I am serious mate .

It's a book/video game series about a guy who lives in a prejudiced world that doesn't really like him for his otherness, but he continues to drudge on, and although nobody really likes him, everyone just kinda tolerates him because he's important to society. Elves and dwarves carry on some real-world stereotypes pertaining to cultures, making the stories that focus on their prejudices somewhat parallel to the issues of our world. Stories (such as "Eternal Flame") very often touch up on how wrong it is to judge books by their cover, and that there's surprising depths to things that are often deemed barbaric, savage or ignorant to the "standard" man, and Geralt often has to question what measure is a man and what measure is a monster. Geralt and Yen's ultimate fate at the end of the books is brought upon by a knee-jerk reaction from the intolerant world and they have a "last stand" of sorts at a massive pogrom. Women are strong, capable, and somewhat liberalized; farmgirls go all over the rugged handsomeness of the Witchers, especially since it lets them get rawed without any consequences; Geralt's love interests often dominate him in spite of his machismo, and then there's Ciri.

At least, that's one interpretation.

 

[DavidBVal]

It's both in this case, which is a deadly combination. You can have some SJW views, but it won't bother people that much if you are actually a competent writer.

Exactly. See: The Witcher.

I have miss it,what are the sjw views in the witcher? I am serious mate .

It's a book/video game series about a guy who lives in a prejudiced world that doesn't really like him for his otherness, but he continues to drudge on, and although nobody really likes him, everyone just kinda tolerates him because he's important to society. Elves and dwarves carry on some real-world stereotypes pertaining to cultures, making the stories that focus on their prejudices somewhat parallel to the issues of our world. Stories (such as "Eternal Flame") very often touch up on how wrong it is to judge books by their cover, and that there's surprising depths to things that are often deemed barbaric, savage or ignorant to the "standard" man, and Geralt often has to question what measure is a man and what measure is a monster. Geralt and Yen's ultimate fate at the end of the books is brought upon by a knee-jerk reaction from the intolerant world and they have a "last stand" of sorts at a massive pogrom. Women are strong, capable, and somewhat liberalized; farmgirls go all over the rugged handsomeness of the Witchers, especially since it lets them get rawed without any consequences; Geralt's love interests often dominate him in spite of his machismo, and then there's Ciri.

At least, that's one interpretation.

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

 

[Dzupakazul]

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

Hence the disclaimer that this is just one interpretation.
And even the most barbarous facets of the demihuman races is contrasted with how they're more humane than humans themselves at times.
Like, not-Dainty Biberveldt from the aforementioned short story ended up spared by Geralt because he was just a sentient creature trying to survive, even though by all monikers he should have been executed.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

Hence the disclaimer that this is just one interpretation.
And even the most barbarous facets of the demihuman races is contrasted with how they're more humane than humans themselves at times.
Like, not-Dainty Biberveldt from the aforementioned short story ended up spared by Geralt because he was just a sentient creature trying to survive, even though by all monikers he should have been executed.

Geralt tends not to kill sentients in the short stories (which is why he don’t kill no vampires); it’s only once the war starts that he really gets down with killing people.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

Hence the disclaimer that this is just one interpretation.
And even the most barbarous facets of the demihuman races is contrasted with how they're more humane than humans themselves at times.
Like, not-Dainty Biberveldt from the aforementioned short story ended up spared by Geralt because he was just a sentient creature trying to survive, even though by all monikers he should have been executed.

Geralt tends not to kill sentients in the short stories (which is why he don’t kill no vampires); it’s only once the war starts that he really gets down with killing people.

Oh yeah, that's exactly why he's called the Butcher of Blaviken.
Of course, he was doing it reluctantly, but in short stories he kills people when he needs to, and without much moral self-flagellation.

 

[Bohrain]

farmgirls go all over the rugged handsomeness of the Witchers

The books point it out pretty blatantly that Geralt initially tried to act like a knight in shining armor, but quickly dropped the act because he is basically a mutant pest controller in a world that no longer needs much pest controlling. I don't remember which book it was, but Geralt states that soon after he finished his training he saved a merchant's daughter from bandits, which resulted in the girl throwing up in front of him in the sight of blood and telling him to fuck off.
While there is plenty of instances of him shagging women, most of them do so because they want to use him, especially the witches.

 

[Storyfag]

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

Hence the disclaimer that this is just one interpretation.
And even the most barbarous facets of the demihuman races is contrasted with how they're more humane than humans themselves at times.
Like, not-Dainty Biberveldt from the aforementioned short story ended up spared by Geralt because he was just a sentient creature trying to survive, even though by all monikers he should have been executed.

Geralt tends not to kill sentients in the short stories (which is why he don’t kill no vampires); it’s only once the war starts that he really gets down with killing people.

He definitely kills a bruxa, and is implied to have killed more types of vampires. You maybe meant dragons? But their intelligence is not the deciding factor, their harmlessness is.

 

[fantadomat]

Honestly, I think SJWism has made you a bit paranoid (I can hardly blame you though...). I've only read the first two Witcher volumes but there's plenty of stuff post-modernists would find disgusting. Elves as a minority are not "poor victims" but rather violent and murderous of innocents, female characters are actually feminine and sometimes very dependant (even Yen), etc.

Hence the disclaimer that this is just one interpretation.
And even the most barbarous facets of the demihuman races is contrasted with how they're more humane than humans themselves at times.
Like, not-Dainty Biberveldt from the aforementioned short story ended up spared by Geralt because he was just a sentient creature trying to survive, even though by all monikers he should have been executed.

Well humans are pretty violent creatures and civilization is a dress that we wear from time to time. Also i do agree with DavidBVal that sjw have made you paranoid,sadly i have become paranoid to. I see the Witcher as sociopathic mercenary that specialises in killing monsters and people from time to time. I see the elfs and dwarfs as refugees like the one that fill EU now,only whiter and more attractive. Racial problems exist everywhere in the real world,i didn't see to be treated any differently in the games. I did kill a bunch of elfs without any problems. Also you do have choice most of the times. As for sorceress ....they are old good looking whores that get impaled from time to time because of their greed and stupidity.

 

[dragonul09]

KotOR would have been next on the list to soil, muddle and blaspheme, but:

Why are you talking like David Gaider was the mastermind writer behind those games? We known damn well he and Amber Scott were the ones that pushed those ''controversial'' statements in Dragonspear. Also he clearly is trying to push an agenda and he's not shy talking about it in interviews either.

''Gaider deliberately attempted to incorporate better 'minority content', as he describes it. He originally aimed for an even split of two gay romance options, two lesbians, and two bisexual characters - although he paused to clarify that, although Josephine is bisexual"

"Helped create studio's first gay party member"

" David Gaider reminds everyone that sexual and gender minority characters are rare and are thus especially important"

"BioWare writer David Gaider has gone on the record before talking about privilege and all the baggage that comes with it to fans who didn't quite understand.
The problem he says, stems from people being unable to recognize their own privilege. With limited context, people don't generally look beyond themselves, they don't reach out and try to view things from a different perspective"

I think Beamdog really got the message from their community ''Either they go away or we go away'' and it was clear the moment Amber Scott left, David Gaider wasn't going to stay there for long and I was right from the beginning, he's a rotten apple with a rotten attitude and that was the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Dzupakazul]

As for sorceress ....they are old good looking whores that get impaled from time to time because of their greed and stupidity.

They're also two of Geralt's love interests, fleshed out characters of their own, and I frankly don't see the correlation between "wanting to stir up your genitals with other genitals" and "stupidity", especially given the titular character's lax attitude towards sex. You might be ultimately pursuing Triss or Yennefer (as in, either of the two "stupid/greedy whores") while having a sizable Yu-Fucked-Her! trading card collection, after all.

There's, of course, the question of what you consider "SJW" themes. Is Arcanum an "SJW" game because your Half-Orc or Half-Ogre gets called names or is mistaken for a servant and life is tough like that? Would you consider BIS Fallout's writing SJW because it has one of the most prosperous cities in the world ruled by a woman who is a descendant of a swarthy-looking man who came from a vault explicitly engineered to contain as many people from radically different backgrounds as possible to see what happens? You asked what ideas pertaining to whatever social justice is can be found in The Witcher, and the game (and the book) does seem to talk a wee bit about otherness and prejudice.

Ofc, doesn't mean that The Witcher concerns itself with virtue signalling or anything of the sort. But you can interpret some of the themes in it as being a condemnation of xenophobia, for instance. Note that you don't have to, and you're free to put it under whichever lens you consider appropriate.

 

[santino27]

KotOR would have been next on the list to soil, muddle and blaspheme, but:

Why are you talking like David Gaider was the mastermind writer behind those games? We known damn well he and Amber Scott were the ones that pushed those ''controversial'' statements in Dragonspear. Also he clearly is trying to push an agenda and he's not shy talking about it in interviews either.

Gaider's hire was announced roughly a month before SoD was released, and he isn't cited as a writer on it at all. I'm not saying he didn't have any impact on it, but I suspect we can safely blame the actual writers (including Amber Scott) for most of it.

 

[dragonul09]

KotOR would have been next on the list to soil, muddle and blaspheme, but:

Why are you talking like David Gaider was the mastermind writer behind those games? We known damn well he and Amber Scott were the ones that pushed those ''controversial'' statements in Dragonspear. Also he clearly is trying to push an agenda and he's not shy talking about it in interviews either.

Gaider's hire was announced roughly a month before SoD was released, and he isn't cited as a writer on it at all. I'm not saying he didn't have any impact on it, but I suspect we can safely blame the actual writers (including Amber Scott) for most of it.

Either way, nothing of value of lost, I remember his rancid attitude toward people on Bioware forums, always snapped at people who criticized his ''work'', he has always been distasteful to the people that truly supported that company from the beginning.

 

[Lilura]

How is what I said not clear? While I don't think he's a great or even a good writer (I can cite the bad writing everywhere in BG2), he is leagues ahead of those credited as lead writers on Siege.

 

[Tacgnol]

I'm pretty sure it was mostly Amber Scott to blame for the dumb shit in SOD.

There was extremely similar retardation in the parts of the Wrath of the Righteous Pathfinder adventure path that she wrote. Similar to SOD, it was all extremely forced and out of place.