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RPG Codex's Top 50 vs. Age of Incline Poll

Which are the best cRPGs of all time? (select up to 25)


  • Total voters
    172

Lady_Error

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You're right, I updated it. So it's the battle for fifth place that is very close.
 

Momock

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Where are the Legend of Heroes games!? Trails of Cold Steel was the best game of 2017 and it isn't in the list! WTF?

Also, which is "Vampire: the Masquerade", Bloodlines or the shitty one?
 

Lady_Error

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Results after one week:
  1. Fallout (107)
  2. Planescape: Torment (103)
  3. Arcanum (84)
  4. Fallout 2 (80)
  5. Baldur's Gate II (71)
  6. Deus Ex (71)
  7. Vampire: The Mascarade (67)
  8. Age of Decadence (66)
  9. Gothic 2 (55)
  10. Fallout: New Vegas (54)
  11. Baldur's Gate (42)
  12. Gothic (42)
  13. Icewind Dale (41)
  14. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (40)
  15. Jagged Alliance 2 (39)
  16. Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer (39)
  17. System Shock 2 (38)
  18. Underrail (37)
  19. The Temple of Elemental Evil (35)
  20. The Witcher III (35)
  21. Betrayal at Krondor (34)
  22. Shadowrun: Dragonfall (33)
  23. The Witcher (33)
  24. Dark Souls (32)
  25. Darklands (29)
  26. Ultima Underworld (29)
  27. Dark Sun (26)
  28. Might & Magic VI (26)
  29. Pool of Radiance (26)
  30. Wizardry 8 (26)
  31. Arx Fatalis (25)
  32. King of Dragon Pass (23)
  33. Divinity: Original Sin (20)
  34. Might & Magic: World of Xeen (20)
  35. Wizardry VII (20)
  36. Icewind Dale II (18)
  37. Ultima VII (18)
  38. Wizardry VI (18)
  39. Alpha Protocol (17)
  40. System Shock (17)
  41. Ultima IV (17)
  42. Divinity: Original Sin 2 (16)
  43. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (16)
  44. The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall (16)
  45. Grimoire (15)
  46. Anachronox (14)
  47. Dragon Age: Origins (14)
  48. Might & Magic VII (14)
  49. Mount & Blade (14)
  50. Realms of Arkania II: Star Trail (14)
  51. Wasteland (14)
  52. Dragon's Dogma (13)
  53. Ultima V (13)
  54. ADOM (12)
  55. Divine Divinity (12)
  56. Dungeon Master (12)
  57. Geneforge (12)
  58. Star Control II (12)
  59. Ultima Underworld II (12)
  60. ELEX (11)
  61. FTL (11)
  62. Knights of the Chalice (11)
  63. Might & Magic III (11)
  64. Pools of Darkness (11)
  65. Mass Effect (10)
  66. Shadowrun: Hong Kong (10)
  67. The Witcher II (10)
  68. Battle Brothers (9)
  69. Dark Heart of Uukrul (9)
  70. Legend of Grimrock II (9)
  71. NEO Scavenger (9)
  72. Neverwinter Nights 2 (9)
  73. Nier: Automata (9)
  74. Pillars of Eternity (9)
  75. Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire (9)
  76. Risen (9)
  77. Dark Souls II (8)
  78. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (8)
  79. Fallout 1.5: Resurrection (8)
  80. Wasteland 2 (8)
  81. Wizardry I (8)
  82. Wizards & Warriors (8)
  83. Albion (7)
  84. Blackguards (7)
  85. Dark Souls III (7)
  86. Lords of Xulima (7)
  87. Quest for Glory IV (7)
  88. Expeditions: Conquistador (6)
  89. Shadowrun Returns (6)
  90. Valkyria Chronicles (6)
  91. Expeditions: Viking (5)
  92. Lands of Lore (5)
  93. Might & Magic X: Legacy (5)
  94. Drakensang (4)
  95. Invisible, Inc. (4)
  96. Legend of Grimrock (4)
  97. Wizardry IV (4)
  98. Heroine's Quest (3)
  99. Dungeon Rats (2)
 

Allyriadil

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I have no idea why Age of Decadence is so high up, it does have some interesting ideas but the game is pretty mediocre overall.
The first Baldur's Gate is also pretty mediocre, the rest of the list I can pretty much agree with though.
 

mfkndggrfll

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I have no idea why Age of Decadence is so high up, it does have some interesting ideas but the game is pretty mediocre overall.
The first Baldur's Gate is also pretty mediocre, the rest of the list I can pretty much agree with though.

The first BG is still a timeless masterpiece and remains better than BG2 in many aspects. Codexers are just sequelfags.
 

Trashos

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Great list. People who are complaining about "popularity contests" have a point, but when obscure/very old games get some votes, Codexers should understand that such games are definitely worth checking out.

Lady Error, I suggest that games with the same number of votes are not separated. For example...

5. Baldur's Gate II 71
6. Deus Ex 71
7. Vampire 67

...should become...

5. Baldur's Gate II 71
- Deus Ex 71
7. Vampire 67

(there is no 6th game. There are two 5ths and the next one is 7th)
 
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IncendiaryDevice

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The fundamental flaw in this voting system is clearly exampled by both Blackguards and Lords of Xulima being so low, 84 and 86 respectively.

What you've done, Lady Error , and possibly felipepepe is ask people to vote for their top 25 RPGs. By only allowing people to vote for 25 your asking people to provide a top 25 poll, not a top 100 poll. As a result, pretty much every game, other than the usual 20 to 30 suspects, will be competing for the remaining 15 to 25 places. So you get the usual top 10-20 and then the rest of the poll is ranking the leftover over votes.

You're asking if Blackguards or Lords of Xulima are top 25 RPGs. Even if someone really liked these games, it's going to be hard for someone considering 40 years of RPGs to put them firmly in their own personal top 25, but many people might have put them at 26-30.

So, many top 25-50 games are being unfairly penalised by being 25-50 ranked games.

Let's say someone plays and enjoys just one RPG per year for 40 years, they're not being asked to vote for games they like, they're being asked not to vote for games they like. They're being asked to eliminated some favourites.

Meanwhile, someone who barely ever plays RPGs, but some RPGs are their favourite games, might only have played 25 RPGs in their entire life and just vote for all 25 of those, even if they didn't really like them that much, in their head their 25th is the crap one they only voted for because at least they'd played it. Someone's shittiest RPG might be their personal 25th, where as someone who's enjoyed lots of RPGs, many more than 25, and who wants to give positive results to more than 25 games, and who's 25th game is still, in their eyes, really great, is being forced to stick to the same old games year in year out.

That was a major factor in what made me make my poll exhaustive rather than exclusionist.
 
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IncendiaryDevice

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The fundamental flaw in that voting system is that half the listed games arent even RPGs.

Oh indeed, but raising that issue just results in people shitposting ad-nauseum and going full-retard into autismal philosophy. However, just getting the mechanics of a poll right in the first place, before you even go down that road, would be a lot more useful than consigning modern classics like Blackguards or Lords of Xulima to the relative junk pile just because you don't know how polling works/don't care how polling works.
 

Lady_Error

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That was a major factor in what made me make my poll exhaustive rather than exclusionist.

You're such a whiner, ID. The point of this poll is to see how many of the Age of Incline games make it into the Top 50 that was established in 2014. 8 of them did, which is pretty good. And three even made it into the Top 20, with Age of Decadence firmly in the Top 10.
 
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IncendiaryDevice

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That was a major factor in what made me make my poll exhaustive rather than exclusionist.

You're such a whiner, ID. The point of this poll is to see how many of the Age of Incline games make it into the Top 50 that was established in 2014. 8 of them did, which is pretty good. And three even made it into the Top 20, with Age of Decadence firmly in the Top 10.

If that was all you cared for, then just write the list yourself...
 
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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
Umm, only 27% of the Codex want Mask of the Betrayer on that list?
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Sigourn

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The fundamental flaw is that we need everyone to vote on everything.

It would be much better to have all these games polled with score options from 1 to 5. Just like the Age of Incline poll was (the best poll, IMO). Legend of Grimrock ranking the place it ranks now gives me very little information.
  1. It could be because few people played it.
  2. It could be because few people liked it.
  3. It could be because few people thought it was worthy to be included in a "25 best RPGs".
It's better to know stuff such as "200 people played it, the average score was 3.8, the most popular score was 5". The Age of Incline poll gives much more info too.
 

Lady_Error

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Go create a poll outside the forum and link to it. As far as forum polls go, this is all you can get without involving DU or Taluntain.
 

Lady_Error

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So what's the magic number of votes? And again, nobody is stopping you from doing your dream poll.
 

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