KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Cael]

what's the point of the altertness feat when it's just a gimp version of skill focus - perception?

Alertness in 3.5 gave +2 bonus to 2 skills while skill focus gave +3 to 1 skill. I guess Paizo changed one and forgot about the other.

 

[fantadomat]

Buahahahahahahahaha it seems that this game is pure proof of grognards inclining power . Without any marketing,shilling,twitch whoring and youtube jizz this game is fucking Sawyar's crippled abominations sideway!

My retarded nephew that plays mainly online games like fortnight and mount and blade,just asked me if kingmaker is good game because he is seeing it everywhere and people are talking about it. I was just dumbfound that the fortnight community and his retarded friends had even heard about the game.

Take that obsolete shit snuffing podobear degenerate sjw journo scum !

 

[Cael]

Except in pathfinder there is the Oracle which is a spontaneous divine caster. Right now i can't remember if it can use heavy armours, but it's pretty similiar to the favored soul. No idea why it wasn't included, though.
It's also being recognized as a tier weaker than the cleric, in the same way that the sorceror is recognized as a weaker wizard.

Spontaneous casters are always a tier lower due to the limited spells known. However, spontaneous casters in a computer game are not as far back in power as they are in PnP.

I actually prefer it in cRPGs because of the flexibility of casting whatever you know whenever you want and the very limited spell selection in cRPGs.

Charisma also dovetails nicely into some of the more insane builds I have in PnP 3.5, most of which abuses the hell out of the Charisma stat (Charisma to AC twice? Turn Undead of Doom? Divine Metamagic abuse? Oh, yes, please!).

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Buahahahahahahahaha it seems that this game is pure proof of grognards inclining power . Without any marketing,shilling,twitch whoring and youtube jizz this game is fucking Sawyar's crippled abominations sideway!

My retarded nephew that plays mainly online games like fortnight and mount and blade,just asked me if kingmaker is good game because he is seeing it everywhere and people are talking about it. I was just dumbfound that the fortnight community and his retarded friends had even heard about the game.

Take that obsolete shit snuffing podobear degenerate sjw journo scum !

People on reddit aren't convinced it's a good game.

 

[m_s0]

I thought I'd give it a few patches, but I may be having too fun with it to postpone.

It's very much a first impression, but - bugs aside - it's spiky in all the right ways, and it embraces the levity that should come with this type of setting. Built to be fun, and a really nice surprise.

 

[pm_675]

Buahahahahahahahaha it seems that this game is pure proof of grognards inclining power . Without any marketing,shilling,twitch whoring and youtube jizz this game is fucking Sawyar's crippled abominations sideway!

My retarded nephew that plays mainly online games like fortnight and mount and blade,just asked me if kingmaker is good game because he is seeing it everywhere and people are talking about it. I was just dumbfound that the fortnight community and his retarded friends had even heard about the game.

Take that obsolete shit snuffing podobear degenerate sjw journo scum !

People on reddit aren't convinced it's a good game.

Yes, but people on reddit are redditors.

 

[Mojobeard]

I love bugs that aren't evil.
So apparently my main character can have a longsword on the first weapon set, two-hand it, and a shield on the second weapon set. This gives bonuses from both, I checked the logs and everything. I don't know what causes it, but I didn't manage to make it work on other characters.

 

[Cael]

Buahahahahahahahaha it seems that this game is pure proof of grognards inclining power . Without any marketing,shilling,twitch whoring and youtube jizz this game is fucking Sawyar's crippled abominations sideway!

My retarded nephew that plays mainly online games like fortnight and mount and blade,just asked me if kingmaker is good game because he is seeing it everywhere and people are talking about it. I was just dumbfound that the fortnight community and his retarded friends had even heard about the game.

Take that obsolete shit snuffing podobear degenerate sjw journo scum !

People on reddit aren't convinced it's a good game.

Yes, but people on reddit are redditors.

Redditors, retardos. Eh, half a dozen of one, six of the other.

 

[SerratedBiz]

I'm loving this motherfucking game, can't believe it's taken this long to get the DnD character creation / RTwP experience right again.

Game is buggy, some mechanics are unclear/bugged and the writing is pulp fantasy at best. Still, it hearkens back to the good old days of RPG choices and consequences (the real kind, the kind where you choose how your character plays), progression feels great and having the ability to create your own party members is oh god its heavan.

And I like that little blurb for RPGCodex (and some other unknown sites) whenever you open the game.

 

[m_s0]

That's what's good about the writing: it's pulp and it knows it. Completely unpretentious.

 

[Kaldurenik]

does your capital ever get more vendors/do the existing ones get more stuff to sell btw?

I'm sitting on a ton of gold with nothing to do with it

Yes you will have some that are temporary (i think).

 

[Serus]

Harrim is sort of offensive cleric though, so that is like comaring oranges vs potatoes.


I only played BG/IWD/ToEE when it comes do D&D and i realize that my knowledge maybe lacking.
So, can you share please?
I'd really like to see a lvl2 character with 6-7 more AC than a fighter in full plate armor with a fucking tower shield.

You won't be using a full plate with Valerie at level 2 though. Even if you bought it for her (and there are better ways to spend your early money - like getting a good custom character) with her 14STR she would crumble under the combined weight of a full plate + tower shield.

On a tower shield specialist with reasonable starting stats and feats compared to Valerie:
- switch Toughness and Bastard Sword proficiency for Dodge and Heavy Armor focus = +2AC. On a tank you want to stack AC not a few more HP and she is not meant to be a primary damage dealer so that bastard sword is pointless, use a longsword instead.

- add more DEX, she only starts with ridiculous 13DEX and only +1 modifier becasue of that. The best she can do at the start is banded armor with +1AC from DEX = 8AC total iirc? With 16DEX she could do breastplate for 9AC (which is also lighter and with her 14STR that's a good thing) another 1AC difference, for a total of 3 more AC compared to Valerie.

In addition with levels she could use even more DEX for AC but because her STR is so low you might want to raise that first which means that with levels the difference between Valerie's AC and a min-maxed Tower Shield specialist's AC will be even bigger later on.
Still not 6 or 7 points difference but even 3AC early is a big difference.


I'm a 3.5/Pathfinder amateur at best - so if I wrote something stupid, please anyone correct me.

 

[you know what time it is]

Are there any estimates on how long this game is?

Well, I got flu at a very opportune moment (right at the game release) and been at it pretty much non-stop with a few breaks to get some sleep and sneeze my brains out. So far, I think i'm about 2/3 in (give or take), so yeah it's pretty lengthy, especially if you factor in difficulty and wrestling bugs.

 

[aweigh]

Serus

So change her stats by editing game files. Someone said how to do this earlier in the thread.

 

[Serus]

Serus

So change her stats by editing game files. Someone said how to do this earlier in the thread.

Sure, I agree. That's an option for someone who wants to use Valerie but doesn't like her stats.
I only wanted to show that she is indeed poorly made for a tank and what the actual difference in AC between her and a properly made Tower Shield user is. But because my knowledge of the ruleset is very limited I might have missed something. Maybe someone can come up and add something to what I said.

 

[you know what time it is]

Ok, so instead of letting go for a while and wait for it to get patched like a normal person. I'm gonna start on Unfair instead.

Wish me luck boys, I'm going in dry.

 

[Cael]

Harrim is sort of offensive cleric though, so that is like comaring oranges vs potatoes.


I only played BG/IWD/ToEE when it comes do D&D and i realize that my knowledge maybe lacking.
So, can you share please?
I'd really like to see a lvl2 character with 6-7 more AC than a fighter in full plate armor with a fucking tower shield.

You won't be using a full plate with Valerie at level 2 though. Even if you bought it for her (and there are better ways to spend your early money - like getting a good custom character) with her 14STR she would crumble under the combined weight of a full plate + tower shield.

On a tower shield specialist with reasonable starting stats and feats compared to Valerie:
- switch Toughness and Bastard Sword proficiency for Dodge and Heavy Armor focus = +2AC. On a tank you want to stack AC not a few more HP and she is not meant to be a primary damage dealer so that bastard sword is pointless, use a longsword instead.

- add more DEX, she only starts with ridiculous 13DEX and only +1 modifier becasue of that. The best she can do at the start is banded armor with +1AC from DEX = 8AC total iirc? With 16DEX she could do breastplate for 9AC (which is also lighter and with her 14STR that's a good thing) another 1AC difference, for a total of 3 more AC compared to Valerie.

In addition with levels she could use even more DEX for AC but because her STR is so low you might want to raise that first which means that with levels the difference between Valerie's AC and a min-maxed Tower Shield specialist's AC will be even bigger later on.
Still not 6 or 7 points difference but even 3AC early is a big difference.


I'm a 3.5/Pathfinder amateur at best - so if I wrote something stupid, please anyone correct me.

Tanks are great, but unless the AI is completely retarded (not that unusual in cRPG, mind you), you need the tank to be a threat. This is something that Dragon Age did well in that monsters ignored the heavily armoured, high HP fellow who wasn't doing much damage to them and beelined the ones who were. Managing threat is something that needed to be taken into account.

That said, assuming a big, fat, dumb AI, you really need both for tanking. AC is great in the beginning, when everyone is running around with +1 or +0 BAB. But when you start getting to the stage where you run into trolls, you are looking at an attack bonus of, what? In the +10 region easy? You'd need to have AC in the mid-late 20s when facing them or you are in deep doo-doo with a low HP character. It is not that easy to get your AC up to that level at the beginning.

BUT! Toughness is a pretty crap feat, and bastard sword proficiency is a waste. The difference between the bsword and the lsword is an average of 1 damage a blow. Why blow a feat on that??? I'd go with Tower Shield Focus for the +2 AC and Weapon Focus Lsword instead. Bonus to hit and to AC.

Stats-wise, 13 Dex is fine for a tank. You need Strength, however, and Con. I'd max those and drop her Human bonus stat into Strength. If you want an example of a well-built tank, take a look at Khelgar from NWN2. I always have him in Mithral Full Plate and Adamantine Tower Shield, eating the -2 to-hit for the increase AC and DR.

 

[bataille]

Not sure how people have underestimated the troll menace. It even gets its own 'illustrated book' sequence with Linzi lamenting how their newborn kingdom may be nipped in the bud by them--kinda like intro sequence to chapters in IE games. An asterisk in the journal entry would be a welcome addition, though..

 

[Sheepherder]

What's a good fighting style to complement Monster Tactician's summons? Ranged, s&b or pure caster?

 

[fantadomat]

LoL that retarded barbarian Amiri is intolerable in her quest. Really want to challenge her in duel and gut her like the dishonourable pig she is! Death to all sjw scum!!!



Also Cael ,you being a manual,what the fuck is natural weapons????

 

[bataille]

what the fuck is natural weapons????

Bites, claws, and such.

 

[Cael]

LoL that retarded barbarian Amiri is intolerable in her quest. Really want to challenge her in duel and gut her like the dishonourable pig she is! Death to all sjw scum!!!



Also Cael ,you being a manual,what the fuck is natural weapons????

Natural weapons are things like claws, bite, gore and wing buffet. Attacks made by the natural physical weapons of creatures.

They shouldn't really be a point of note for you, unless you have a Druid in the party...

 

[L'Montes]

I think Barbarians have rage-options for bites/claws as well, and *most* of us have one of those hanging around.

e.g. - this stuff: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/Barbarian/rage-powers

 

[rusty_shackleford]

LoL that retarded barbarian Amiri is intolerable in her quest. Really want to challenge her in duel and gut her like the dishonourable pig she is! Death to all sjw scum!!!



Also Cael ,you being a manual,what the fuck is natural weapons????

I like to imagine you write your posts in your native language first and they're very eloquent, but simply mangled when translated.

 

[Cael]

What's a good fighting style to complement Monster Tactician's summons? Ranged, s&b or pure caster?

If you have the choice, always go for caster. However, as an Inquisitor, you are only as good a caster as a Bard, with very restricted spell levels, and given you already require Wisdom to a reasonable level, adding more stat requirements to the toon is a bad idea. I'd say caster with a big side of ranged. Let the summons do the melee and tanking for you. Concentrate on Dex, Wis and Con in that order.