Assassin's Creed Odyssey, set in ancient Greece - it's definitely an RPG now

[Bocian]

the ancient greeks were insanely gay though

They weren't. Most Greek poleis outlawed sodomy. If anything, it was platonic love, not physical. Greek homosexuality is massively over-exaggerated.

Of course it was.

Congratulations, you have discovered a painting equivalent to modern pornography. Using a few examples of such art to determine the whole culture, that's very logical.

 

[Tito Anic]

Congratulations, you have discovered a painting equivalent to modern pornography. Using a few examples of such art to determine the whole culture, that's very logical.

Outlawed sodomy but you could buy a vase with pederastic motives...

 

[Bocian]

Outlawed sodomy but you could buy a vase with pederastic motives...

You can buy child porn today despite it being illegal everywhere.

 

[Doctor Sbaitso]

The level of discourse here is pretty bad.

 

[Jarmaro]

The level of discourse here is pretty bad.

IMRPOVE IT YOURSELF.

 

[Tito Anic]

You can buy child porn today despite it being illegal everywhere.

So Ancient Greek society was as degenarate as ours?

 

[DeepOcean]

You can buy child porn today despite it being illegal everywhere.

So Ancient Greek society was as degenarate as ours?

People tend to look to other ages with rose tinted glasses but the reality is that humans are pretty fucked up and that didn't start nowdays, if some important people at that time condemned the practice of homosexuality, this isn't exactly saying that homosexuality didn't exist. You don't condemn what doesn't exist.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

The greek were the no homo civilization by definition

 

[Serus]

You can buy child porn today despite it being illegal everywhere.

So Ancient Greek society was as degenarate as ours?

Possibly, in some periods, some of it. Consider this: Antiquity is a very long period of time. We talk many centuries here. Societies are bound to change drastically over such long periods of time so even talking about "ancient Greek society" doesn't make much sense. Which one society? When? The sole fact that you talk about "ancient Greek society" as if such entity existed in reality says a lot.
Another thing to consider: You had famous homosexuals in the West for a long time. Famous people whose conduct was public knowledge and tolerated if they weren't too obnoxious about it. But you wouldn't say that before late 20th century our civilization was accepting of homosexuals. And yet it can be easily imagined in 2000 years, if the knowledge of our times will become limited, there will be people arguing: "These guys were all so gay, here you have some source saying that this artist from early/mid 20th century was a homosexual, and he was famous and had a career - clearly a sign it was a widely accepted norm!".

 

[Mark.L.Joy]

People assume civilizational degeneration of the acient-Greeks was permanent in all their 400 or so years of recorded history worse still people assume a bunch of fags can build a civilization which is a biological impossibility, such retardation completely wrecks any understanding about the world.

 

[abnaxus]

Zeus has tiny hands.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Zeus has tiny hands.

I guarantee you there’s no problem. I guarantee it.

 

[Atlantico]

it is seriously jarring that nobody acknowledges that it's the tiniest bit odd for a woman to be a mercenary.

No more than it's jarring in the Forgotten Realms. Did you miss the memo? This isn't historical Greece.

The way Spartans are portrayed is really dumb.

They're portrayed like in the movie 300. Because this is fantasy.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

I've bought the game. One question, Can I put a bikini armor on Kassandra?

 

[Modron]

Zeus has tiny hands.

Be careful he might start sending you yearly gold sharpie outlines of his hand.

 

[glass blackbird]

Yep, we are gayer than the Greeks.

speak for yourself bro

 

[MicoSelva]

 

[Prime Junta]

tru dat

With this kind of level mechanics you might as well get rid of character advancement completely. The only thing it achieves is that it lets the designers funnel the player where they want while retaining the illusion of an open world (and of course sell them "timesaver packs" and give hollow instant-gratification rewards of seeing numbers go up).

 

[Markman]

Is it better than OG Origins setting where leveling of enemies was setting based?

Later on they added option of level scaling if someone found the game too easy and Nightmare mode. Never used it tho,no need imo, had dudes at lv 58 coming at me eventho max level for Bayek was 55.

 

[Belegarsson]

I saw Exploration mode's description and thought "man this is awesome, it's like high puzzle difficulty in the newest Tomb Raider where handholding is completely removed". What I got is samey directions that requires you to look at compass and check region on the world map, that's it. Get near objective and the game literally screams at you "POSSESS YOUR EAGLE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE FUCKERS ON YOUR MAP"

5 hours in and I'm quite enjoying this game. It has this leisure-ish flow similar to Far Cry 5 with noticably more busyworks and checklists but not to the point that makes me feel overwhelmed (yet). The amount of animation for NPC's body language in conversation is quite impressive too.

... then I found out there's 11 romance options in this game and none of them is Hippocrates? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[Prime Junta]

Is it better than OG Origins setting where leveling of enemies was setting based?

no, still setting based

except that lower-level settings scale up to your level automatically

Later on they added option of level scaling if someone found the game too easy and Nightmare mode. Never used it tho,no need imo, had dudes at lv 58 coming at me eventho max level for Bayek was 55.

I commend your stamina. I finished the game around lv 37 and would rather stick splinters under my fingernails than go back to that grind.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

I saw Exploration mode's description and thought "man this is awesome, it's like high puzzle difficulty in the newest Tomb Raider where handholding is completely removed". What I got is samey directions that requires you to look at compass and check region on the world map, that's it. Get near objective and the game literally screams at you "POSSESS YOUR EAGLE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE FUCKERS ON YOUR MAP"

Yep. I was excited when I saw that the first mission was finding a certain character, and the only indicator you got was that the character was placed somewhere in the south of the Zeus giant statue. After finding him I started to get floating markers and stuff. Using the eagle's vision to finding objectives is cool, but that glowing circle makes it just too easy for making it feel rewarding.

 

[Prime Junta]

BTW I restarted with Alexios. Couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of nobody acknowledging Kassandra's gender. It's better this way, the story plays out much better as a very traditional male one and the genderswapped setting isn't quite as blatant.

 

[Atlantico]

BTW I restarted with Alexios. Couldn't handle the cognitive dissonance of nobody acknowledging Kassandra's gender. It's better this way, the story plays out much better as a very traditional male one and the genderswapped setting isn't quite as blatant.

No. There's no cognitive dissonance in a fantasy setting. This is not Greece. Not ancient Greece, not modern Greece, it's fantasy.

I get AC games are created for retards, which is why I just never could get into them before. Now that they've given up on the historical *pretense* (which was always, always stupid as bread) and always just superficial and dumb, you're sperging over it.

There was never historical accuracy or anything similar in *any* AC game. They were all bullshit and full of cognitive dissonance if you took them as history sims.

You have no point.

 

[Prime Junta]

I respectfully disagree Atlantico.

AC: Origins had a lot of thought put into the setting. Of course it was historical fiction but it was good historical fiction. The departures were there for a reason, not out of ignorance or to pander. The Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians behaved and related to each other more or less like I'd expect historical Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians to behave and relate to each other, given the context of the fiction. They could easily have have-assed the setting but they didn't. I give them a ton of respect for that.

So basically Origins set expectations which Odyssey fails to meet. It was easy to suspend disbelief where necessary in Origins, whereas in Odyssey it's a lot harder, and more so when playing as Kassandra when one particular aspect of it is continuously rubbed in my face.

Simply put, I'm more irritated by this kind of thing than Vavra's 100% white and inexplicably Judenrein Bohemia. Vavra's simply being a caveman, and it would be unfair to expect anything better from an East European backwoods nationalist. These guys OTOH have demonstrated that they know better and can do better, they just choose not to. They have to be held to a higher standard.