Putting the 'role' back in role-playing games since 2002.
Donate to Codex
Good Old Games
  • Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.

Make elfs manly again

Cael

Arcane
Joined
Nov 1, 2017
Messages
20,515
It's the lack of beards. There's no good reason to portray elves without beards. I blame lotr movies.
Look at TES or Serpent in the Staglands. The elves are good. They have beards.
Elves lacking beards was in DnD long before the LotR movies. You named yourself well ;)
 

Shadenuat

Arcane
Joined
Dec 9, 2011
Messages
11,966
Location
Russia
It's the lack of beards. There's no good reason to portray elves without beards. I blame lotr movies.
Look at TES or Serpent in the Staglands. The elves are good. They have beards.
latest
 

Turjan

Arcane
Joined
Mar 31, 2008
Messages
5,047
IIRC, weren’t wood/forest elves pretty ruthless to outsiders? Like they were just plain mean.

Maybe I’m thinking about Warhammer Fantasy Battles though.
That's mostly in "The Hobbit" though. Those wood elves were more like the elves from Irish fairy tales: mean, dangerous and generally unpleasant. It's in LotR where Tolkien's tone changes.
 

Roguey

Codex Staff
Staff Member
Sawyerite
Joined
May 29, 2010
Messages
35,792

Serus

Arcane
Patron
Joined
Jul 16, 2005
Messages
6,699
Location
Small but great planet of Potatohole
For the record, I present You the elves from "The Hobbit" (1977) animated movie:

h-2-1216-wood-elf-king.jpg

h-2-1305-elf-guard.jpg

h-2-1121-wood-elves.jpg


If you haven't seen it, do it. It's a great adaptation of The Hobbit, you just need to forget about LOTR or any preconception and think of the source material as if it was fully self-contained.
 

vota DC

Augur
Joined
Aug 23, 2016
Messages
2,267
tolkien elves were not effeminate, they were noble and refined. that just seem effeminate to barbaric brainlets

A single tolkien elf is just a tall human that doesn't age. We have barbarian axe elves in fist age and even a bearded elf in lotr.
As a group it depends on the enviroment. For example Valinor elves are faggots "omg ar whatever is invading Valinor, please Eru sunk Numenor because even with the help of an entire army of Maiar and some Valar we are too gay to fight a tiny island full of half real men and half manly elves".
 

Hassar

Scholar
Joined
Dec 6, 2016
Messages
208
Most RPGs that have elfs are basically sissy versions of humans.

Reasons to support my point
  • Really long life means less reasons to have kids. This mean they don't try to have sex or copulate. They are sexual virgins compared to Chad humans that wanna fuck all day errday.
  • Effeminate features: long hair and skinny af. These guys looks like walking pencils. They would be recorded on snapchat to be made fun of at the gym for how pathetic their muscles look. Human women have more testosterone.
  • Elf language: most of elf language is the girliest shit I have ever heard. Like I'm the type that gets embarrassed to order at Starbucks for how girly their shit sounds but ELF LANGAUGE? Ain't gonna speak that

Now elfs didnt use to be this way. Tolkien elves although effeminate were actually strong af. WoW night elves look like Chads that would steal your gf. Who is to blame mostly?

Bioware

tolkien elves were not effeminate, they were noble and refined. that just seem effeminate to barbaric brainlets


Yeah, Tolkien used to be mad when he heard people think that Legolas was slender and not strong:


He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgul, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship
The Book of Lost Tales, II, The History of Eriol or Aelfwine, Ballantine Books, 1992, p.333“

And Beleg Strongbow was a beast. It was really D&D and perhaps Irish mythological descriptions of elves and fairies that made them slender and graceful. Nordic elves were somewhat different.
 
Self-Ejected

IncendiaryDevice

Self-Ejected
Village Idiot
Joined
Nov 3, 2014
Messages
7,407
Some images of Elves from Fighting Fantasy (early 80s):


iyUvgwK.jpg
yPdpNBb.jpg
latest


1st two are Dark Elves & third one is a Blackheart (Elf/Ork hybrid). Elves in FF weren't just Elves, they had to have a descriptor before the word Elf, such as Black, Dark, Wood, Mountain, etc.

Their generic picture for Elves on that page was:

Odprjkq.jpg


But it doesn't say which type these are. [I had to take a photo & upload this last one as I couldn't find it on-line, hence the weird page & blurring distortions]
 
Last edited:

DJOGamer PT

Arcane
Joined
Apr 8, 2015
Messages
7,486
Location
Lusitânia
tolkien elves were not effeminate, they were noble and refined. that just seem effeminate to barbaric brainlets

A single tolkien elf is just a tall human that doesn't age.

Elves in Tolkien's legendarium are like the elves of Celtic mythology, in the sense that they are better than humans in pretty much anything (more beautiful, more intelligent, more skillful, more noble and possessing stronger will and physical abilities).
 

vota DC

Augur
Joined
Aug 23, 2016
Messages
2,267
tolkien elves were not effeminate, they were noble and refined. that just seem effeminate to barbaric brainlets

A single tolkien elf is just a tall human that doesn't age.

Elves in Tolkien's legendarium are like the elves of Celtic mythology, in the sense that they are better than humans in pretty much anything (more beautiful, more intelligent, more skillful, more noble and possessing stronger will and physical abilities).
Yep, taller means bigger so stronger. The structure is the same, it just change the scale and the spirit connection. Long life means better skill, the sight is better from the birth.
Dwarves have different structure. More than orcs. Orcs have a twisted human/elf structure dwarves instead are famous for their resilience, there is a quote about orcs train to be resilient as dwarves. It means dwarves have something similar of chimps that are smaller than humans but have more dense muscles. They aren't human at all while elves, hobbits and men have stronget ties.
No idea where uruk-hai get their ability to march tireless outmarching even the fellowship.
 

Cael

Arcane
Joined
Nov 1, 2017
Messages
20,515
tolkien elves were not effeminate, they were noble and refined. that just seem effeminate to barbaric brainlets

A single tolkien elf is just a tall human that doesn't age.

Elves in Tolkien's legendarium are like the elves of Celtic mythology, in the sense that they are better than humans in pretty much anything (more beautiful, more intelligent, more skillful, more noble and possessing stronger will and physical abilities).
Yep, taller means bigger so stronger. The structure is the same, it just change the scale and the spirit connection. Long life means better skill, the sight is better from the birth.
Dwarves have different structure. More than orcs. Orcs have a twisted human/elf structure dwarves instead are famous for their resilience, there is a quote about orcs train to be resilient as dwarves. It means dwarves have something similar of chimps that are smaller than humans but have more dense muscles. They aren't human at all while elves, hobbits and men have stronget ties.
No idea where uruk-hai get their ability to march tireless outmarching even the fellowship.
Urak-Hai are selectively bred for extra buffness, IIRC.

Can't remember if there are added human genetics in there.
 

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.
Back
Top Bottom