KickStarter Underworld Ascendant is a disaster

[Tramboi]

But you have Unreal Engine and Unity now, which puts you in a quite good situation for bootstrapping and hiring, so I think it balances out.

 

[Tramboi]

His dancing around whether Elite Dangerous would be/not be always online and have a dedicated single-player was cunt-ish for sure

Might be but he does know how to program, manage a project and ship stuff.

 

[Heretic]

They don't have it.
They've never had it.

The best shitstarters I ever threw money at were games by nobodies and unknowns

• The Way
• Lords of Xulima
• Dex
• Celestian Tales
• and Kingdom Come, ok, that one was made a known dev

The worst shitstarters?

• "Project Eternity"
• Tides of Numanuma
• Dead State, remember that?
  
• Underworld Ascendant

Notice anything?
The best ones are from Europe and Celestian Tales from fking Indonesia.

The horrid and smelly shitstarters are all from USA, created by "renowned" devs who promised the world.

Shitstarter has been a Californian conspiracy to extract money from gullible retards like me from all over the world.
They've been laughing all the way to the bank with their cynical videos about oppressing publishers and a few years later selling their company to the biggest publisher in the world.

Never more.

 

[Grauken]

But you have Unreal Engine and Unity now, which puts you in a quite good situation for bootstrapping and hiring, so I think it balances out.

Sure, if you have good programmers as you say, but if you only have designers and newbie programmers, even unity or unreal engine isn't the all-end, as recent kickstarters have shown

 

[J_C]

Still ranting about the Codex

I haven't played this game, but to be honest, knowing how big Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex and Thief fan Razorfist is, I'm inclined to believe him more, than the Codex. At least in this particular instance, untill I haven't checked out the game myself.

 

[thesheeep]

Still ranting about the Codex

I haven't played this game, but to be honest, knowing how big Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex and Thief fan Razorfist is, I'm inclined to believe him more, than the Codex. At least in this particular instance, untill I haven't checked out the game myself.

Well, you don't get a 37% positive ratings score for being a good game.
Games in that score area just suck, there's no talking around it.

Look at how messed up Pathfinder: Kingmaker was at release (and hell, still is) - yet that never went under 60%, afaik.

 

[Jinn]

I haven't played this game, but to be honest, knowing how big Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex and Thief fan Razorfist is, I'm inclined to believe him more, than the Codex. At least in this particular instance, untill I haven't checked out the game myself.

Honestly, it kind of just sounds like a fan-boy who's convinced himself everything is fine. Interested to read your thoughts on the game though.

 

[skacky]

I haven't played this game, but to be honest, knowing how big Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex and Thief fan Razorfist is, I'm inclined to believe him more, than the Codex. At least in this particular instance, untill I haven't checked out the game myself.

I'm also a huge LGS fanatic and I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that UA was nowhere near ready for a release and even if it shipped without any technical issues, it would still be an average game considering it is nothing remotely like what they pitched on KS, and the result isn't particularly interesting even as an immersive sim.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

This game has fucking scoreboards at the end of a quest. Why? This isn't DMC or Thief, scoreboards don't make sense outside games that encourage (or only have) one specific way of playing them or one challenge to them.

I anticipated Razor would say the game is fenomenal and call anyone who said otherwise retarded. But this, this is gold. I can already see him making a 30 minute review only to spend half the video sperging about how we are all a bunch of autistic dumbfucks. His butthurt will be delicious. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was lurking this thread.
Also when did we claimed Witcher 3 was the pinnacle of player agency? But despite all the bugs and gliches, W3 was at least playable on launch.

I haven't played this game, but to be honest, knowing how big Ultima Underworld, Deus Ex and Thief fan Razorfist is, I'm inclined to believe him more, than the Codex. At least in this particular instance, untill I haven't checked out the game myself.

Honestly, it kind of just sounds like a fan-boy who's convinced himself everything is fine.

And it is. He's just deluding himself.
J_C you can go on Youtube or even Twitch rigth now and see for yourself how fucking bad this really is. This game needed at least 1 more year.

Legendary, award-winning RPG designers and game industry veterans Brenda Brathwaite and Tom

The only thing Brenda Brathwaite did was carrying coffee to the designers she blowed and work on the manuals. Tom Hall did nothing of value after Doom.
The only thing legendary about ''developers'' like this is how they're still taken serious enough to have jobs.

 

[Funposter]

"Alternate reality" lol. I had text prompts not disappearing after they were supposed to, hanging around on my screen and flickering. The brightness and sound settings I selected at the main menu did not carry over when I started a new game. Momentum on movement, especially through a small puddle, was such that my character would continue moving forward even without me holding the 'W' key for several seconds.

The game is completely fucked.

edit: also adjusting the field of view on the main menu causes the FOV of the main menu itself to change because the game is really, really good.

 

[Funposter]

razorfist just blocked me for quote-tweeting him and asking "Is this cope from a Looking Glass fanboy?"

 

[Zep Zepo]

Classic example of senile old men in a circle jerk, high fiving each others 20+ years ago accomplishments, jet-setting around holding each other's cocks doing PR interviews and none of them keeping tabs on (Jr.) Programmer who had never seen Unity before and was practically jizzing himself when making SO COOL vids of default Unity physics.

They suckered KS backers and most likely suckered 505 to give them money and publish what looks to be utter shit. Italian businessmen aren't the brightest bulbs on the planet, apparently.

Once they pull each others limp dicks out of their mouths after realizing they created an utter failure, they need to slink off to the farthest corners of the Earth, never to be heard from (or make games) again.

Zep--

 

[Elex]

But you have Unreal Engine and Unity now, which puts you in a quite good situation for bootstrapping and hiring, so I think it balances out.

both unity and UE require TONS of work(money) for good result.
for example UE is good "as is" only for make an arena fps game.

Of course is cheaper than create a game engine from zero, but is not free.

 

[Elex]

18189 - Deadfire?

And Battle Brothers are only 670?



My opinion of Humankind just lowered. Generic BG-wannabe with bland-as-it-can-be story and game mechanics is much more popular than deep, truly original and fun game.

pathfinder kingmaker: 22,643

 

[PhantasmaNL]

Also when using an of the shelf engine it is probably wise to hire a developer with a solid proven track record using said engine, -if you dont already have such a person- as an engine tech lead.

My guess is that some of these Unity or UE failures are by companies that assume 'of the shelf' equates to 'any programmer can use it'.

 

[Alec20]

Does this have any hope of being decent if the devs put some effort in it and continue to fix it up?

 

[CyberWhale]

Also when using an of the shelf engine it is probably wise to hire a developer with a solid proven track record using said engine, -if you dont already have such a person- as an engine tech lead.

My guess is that some of these Unity or UE failures are by companies that assume 'of the shelf' equates to 'any programmer can use it'.

Or even better, if you really are a good designer (not some manager who just stole other peoples ideas and fame) and don't know how to program yourself, a partnership with a smaller studio that has actually managed to release a solid title or two.

Making a team and necessary organization is the job of a competent manager and not a role anyone can fill. The same is true for finance and marketing as well, which was proven again and again by these Kickstarter wannabe developers that "don't need no evil publishers" holding reins over their heads.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

But you have Unreal Engine and Unity now, which puts you in a quite good situation for bootstrapping and hiring, so I think it balances out.

both unity and UE require TONS of work(money) for good result.
for example UE is good "as is" only for make an arena fps game.

Of course is cheaper than create a game engine from zero, but is not free.

They had 10 developer x 4+ years to learn & create. I don't know how big were the teams that created Ultima Underwold and Thief, but I will be surprised if they were bigger. And they even pioneeringly created their 3D engines & tools from scratch (in the case of UU there was a superposition with the team that was working a flight simulator however).

 

[BEvers]

More dev quotes from the Discord:

We understand the majority of the UWA frustrations and are still working on things, such as the save system, to heart

"I notice "DLC" on the menu. Will there be an option later on to purchase a "season pass" for all the DLC including future DLC?"

I believe we were thinking of this, yes
Will confirm with our publisher tomorrow
some DLC is free for backers, and some is extra content, iirc

 

[udm]

Classic example of senile old men in a circle jerk, high fiving each others 20+ years ago accomplishments, jet-setting around holding each other's cocks doing PR interviews and none of them keeping tabs on (Jr.) Programmer who had never seen Unity before and was practically jizzing himself when making SO COOL vids of default Unity physics.

They suckered KS backers and most likely suckered 505 to give them money and publish what looks to be utter shit. Italian businessmen aren't the brightest bulbs on the planet, apparently.

Once they pull each others limp dicks out of their mouths after realizing they created an utter failure, they need to slink off to the farthest corners of the Earth, never to be heard from (or make games) again.

Zep--

STFU Infinitron!

Spoiler

 

[J_C]

Honestly, it kind of just sounds like a fan-boy who's convinced himself everything is fine.

And it is. He's just deluding himself.
J_C you can go on Youtube or even Twitch rigth now and see for yourself how fucking bad this really is. This game needed at least 1 more year.

I dunno. I watched some of the game, and it doesn't look that bad to warrant a 37% steam score, and I believe that Razorfist likes it for be a true immersive sim. On the other hand, I know it is hard to take this guy seriously with his asshole attitude. (Really, parroting that Glither 3 "joke", yet not acknowledging that Underworld is a big glitchfest? Come the fuck on...)

 

[Funposter]

Honestly, it kind of just sounds like a fan-boy who's convinced himself everything is fine.

And it is. He's just deluding himself.
J_C you can go on Youtube or even Twitch rigth now and see for yourself how fucking bad this really is. This game needed at least 1 more year.

I dunno. I watched some of the game, and it doesn't look that bad to warrant a 37% steam score, and I believe that Razorfist likes it for be a true immersive sim. On the other hand, I know it is hard to take this guy seriously with his asshole attitude. (Really, parroting that Glither 3 "joke", yet not acknowledging that Underworld is a big glitchfest? Come the fuck on...)

Watching the game doesn't give you a good idea of just how bad it "feels".

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Is the game GUT?

 

[Jenkem]

Friendly reminder that Arx Fatalis is $4.99 on Steam and $5.99 on GOG.

 

[Infinitron]

If you want to understand Razorfist, watch this video from 2012: https://youtu.be/J1nqdKiLnTU?t=262

He's an immersive sim fanboy who is angry at people for rejecting Deus Ex: Invisible War because it hurt the genre.