Warhammer Total War: Warhammer 2

[Olinser]

I have literally NEVER seen a Vampire Coast army with more than 2 or 3 Bloated Corpse and I've played quite a number of games of all different factions (although sure some of them produce some not-good armies, that's because they think some units are 'good' when they clearly aren't).

It's well known that a number of mods screw up the AI.

 

[Fedora Master]

I have literally NEVER seen a Vampire Coast army with more than 2 or 3 Bloated Corpse and I've played quite a number of games of all different factions (although sure some of them produce some not-good armies, that's because they think some units are 'good' when they clearly aren't).

It's well known that a number of mods screw up the AI.

Things like Rocklobba Only stacks have plagued the game since WH1.

 

[GrainWetski]

I have literally NEVER seen a Vampire Coast army with more than 2 or 3 Bloated Corpse and I've played quite a number of games of all different factions (although sure some of them produce some not-good armies, that's because they think some units are 'good' when they clearly aren't).

It's well known that a number of mods screw up the AI.

I have only ever encountered those garbage armies in the vanilla game.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The army composition AI depends on building availability and prioritisation. For example, if the army is raised in a lvl 3 province with a Tinkerer as the main recruitment building, you'll see armies made up purely of Rocklobbas. The AI doesn't stop to think 'wait, this doesn't make sense, I'll build a barracks before I raise this army', it will try to put together a stack with whatever units are available for recruitment.

 

[Parabalus]

I've also encountered 15+ Steam Tank, Mammoth and Dragon armies from the various factions.

All of this is pretty rare though, like once per 100 turn campaign, nice for a chuckle.

 

[A horse of course]

Has anyone noticed a change in the mid-game balance since the Vampirates were added? It's tough for me to say since I only play unmodded campaigns the first time I play a faction, but it seems like the doughnut gets spitroasted by Sartosa and Nocty in early game, with most of Caledor, Tiranoc and all of eastern Ulthuan turning into vampire ruins. It seems as if Tyrion and Alarielle eventually get their act together and wipe out or minimize Sartosa, but it certainly delays the usual Helf snowball by turn 100. I suppose this is a good thing for gameplay, though from a lore perspective it annoys me to see a bunch of pirates nuking half the island whilst Alarielle genocides the minor Elf factions.

Also it seems like the rogue pirate factons constantly declare war on nearby player factions but ignore the AI, which is irritating. Not that they ever seem to raid the coastline or anything.

 

[Olinser]

Has anyone noticed a change in the mid-game balance since the Vampirates were added? It's tough for me to say since I only play unmodded campaigns the first time I play a faction, but it seems like the doughnut gets spitroasted by Sartosa and Nocty in early game, with most of Caledor, Tiranoc and all of eastern Ulthuan turning into vampire ruins. It seems as if Tyrion and Alarielle eventually get their act together and wipe out or minimize Sartosa, but it certainly delays the usual Helf snowball by turn 100. I suppose this is a good thing for gameplay, though from a lore perspective it annoys me to see a bunch of pirates nuking half the island whilst Alarielle genocides the minor Elf factions.

Also it seems like the rogue pirate factons constantly declare war on nearby player factions but ignore the AI, which is irritating. Not that they ever seem to raid the coastline or anything.

It kind of depends how big a foothold the AI actually gets on the island. I've seen Sartosa wiped out by the AI by turn 30, and I've seen them take over the entire island.

But in general it actually feels to me like Sartosa's presence makes the High Elf confederations FASTER, because they're under immediate, direct threat, and just after losing armies is when AI tend to confederate.

 

[Fedora Master]

The army composition AI depends on building availability and prioritisation. For example, if the army is raised in a lvl 3 province with a Tinkerer as the main recruitment building, you'll see armies made up purely of Rocklobbas. The AI doesn't stop to think 'wait, this doesn't make sense, I'll build a barracks before I raise this army', it will try to put together a stack with whatever units are available for recruitment.

Hence why I was wondering they they didn't give the AI templates to work off off, so it doesn't have to make decisions like that to begin with. It already cheats with regards to money, just give it a couple of province design templates so it can actually recruit the units it needs and be done with it.

 

[Lone Wolf]

It does have templates, but they're conditional. Like, if the army recruitment buildings are there, it will build a balanced army. However, if they're not, it will go with whatever's available, so that it doesn't just sit there with a lord and a couple of units (which would be an even worse outcome).

 

[A horse of course]

Reddit's favourite Findom Queen claims that CA have absolutely nothing to announce until the release of of Three Kingdoms in March 2019. So enjoy one last Lords pack for the worst factions in late spring/early summer and then they'll probably announce Warhammer III. Sad!

edit: wrong year

 

[Aemar]

Hard to believe the second game will remain at only 6 races. If I were to nominate the next DLC faction then that would definitely be Araby. I doubt Warhammer III will be announced before the end of summer, and it's a long time until then.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Three Kingdoms releases in March 2019, not 2020.

 

[Raghar]

A team is working hard on three kingdoms, and don't have time to make new things of WH 2. B team is less competent and screwed WH 2 in comparison to WH.
And then likely A team might work on WH 3, thus WH 2 would still be less relevant than 3K, or WH 3. Thus WH 2 would still likely get only cash grab DLC, nothing important.

 

[Raghar]

How fucking hard is it to give the AI a couple of pre-determined army builds that it tries to follow? Look at this retarded shit.

Is this a special army? Independents occasionally had weird armies in Eye of vortex campaign. Like that hordes of missile launchers and one captain.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Their structure is more like this:

Historical Team - Three Kingdoms

Three Kingdoms New Content Team - Yellow Turbans (3K)

Historical New Content Team - Rome 2 DLC

Saga Team - Thrones of Brittania (patch)

Arena Team - Arena (shutting down)

Fantasy New Content Team - Festag Patch

Fantasy Team - Pre-production (obviously TW3, though technically not confirmed)

In other words, any new DLC for WH2 is coming from the Fantasy New Content Team, and they are probably only now (in the next few weeks) starting production of content for 2019. Meaning, the earliest announcement will probably be ~April. I'd expect one more race pack release and one lord pack (for Lizardmen/Skaven).

Money's on Arabia or Dogs of War for the last race release.

All info is from their blog, which does monthly updates on what the different teams are working on: https://www.totalwar.com/blog/what-the-teams-are-working-on-november-2018

 

[Olinser]

It does have templates, but they're conditional. Like, if the army recruitment buildings are there, it will build a balanced army. However, if they're not, it will go with whatever's available, so that it doesn't just sit there with a lord and a couple of units (which would be an even worse outcome).

Correct. If they just built everything regardless of buildings people would bitch about the AI cheating and not needing the buildings to make troops.

 

[A horse of course]

The Nazi mod solves this by having all main settlement buildings (village, town etc.) unlock the most basic Tier 1 units for recruitment, so no matter how fucked a province's infrastructure, armies can always be filled out with non-meme troops. Still, part of the problem is that AI makes decisions based on Auto-Resolve weighting, which heavily favours artillery units.

 

[thesheeep]

So, I finally started playing TW: Warhammer 2 and the "mod problem" kinda solved itself for me.
SFO 2 simply would not let me start any campaign. Immediate crash to desktop, no matter which faction I chose. Alright, then...
Radious worked. After 5-7 turns I was swimming in so much money I was thinking "wtf is this nonsense". Easy mode? On to the next...
Lucky's Overhaul. Works fine, plays fine (so far), I dig the veterancy selections and the fact that battles last longer, giving you more time for fancy maneuvers. Off to a promising start. If that one would have failed, I'd just have gone vanilla.

Doing sieges as Skaven is pretty funny. Usually, with an early-game army, you wouldn't stand a chance against Dwarves. I sent my entire two armies of clanrats and a few stormvermin at the walls and by the end of the fight, I had lost 2000 units while the Dwarves had lost 120. Even Dwarven ranged units wouldn't go down to an assault of three units of (non-spear!) clanrats. If that isn't lore friendly, I don't know what is.

Thankfully, given enough food, you can "summon" obscene amounts of rats out of the tunnels anywhere on the map. So while my actual army was keeping busy dwarves at and on the walls, another summoned army of 10 units held the objective area long enough to win, as the Dwarves just didn't have the numbers to hold both objectives. And thankfully, it was stupid enough to try and hold the walls instead of the actually important area.

 

[Lone Wolf]

SFO 2 doesn't work yet with the Festag patch, if that's what you're using (having opted into the beta).

 

[Maculo]

I came back briefly to start a Bretonnia campaign. Beforehand, I had Choices and Consequences mod installed, but now I see Lucky's Overhaul? Did the mod change names, or did I drunkenly shift my mods around at some point?

 

[rashiakas]

So, I finally started playing TW: Warhammer 2 and the "mod problem" kinda solved itself for me.
SFO 2 simply would not let me start any campaign. Immediate crash to desktop, no matter which faction I chose. Alright, then...
Radious worked. After 5-7 turns I was swimming in so much money I was thinking "wtf is this nonsense". Easy mode? On to the next...
Lucky's Overhaul. Works fine, plays fine (so far), I dig the veterancy selections and the fact that battles last longer, giving you more time for fancy maneuvers. Off to a promising start. If that one would have failed, I'd just have gone vanilla.

Doing sieges as Skaven is pretty funny. Usually, with an early-game army, you wouldn't stand a chance against Dwarves. I sent my entire two armies of clanrats and a few stormvermin at the walls and by the end of the fight, I had lost 2000 units while the Dwarves had lost 120. Even Dwarven ranged units wouldn't go down to an assault of three units of (non-spear!) clanrats. If that isn't lore friendly, I don't know what is.

Thankfully, given enough food, you can "summon" obscene amounts of rats out of the tunnels anywhere on the map. So while my actual army was keeping busy dwarves at and on the walls, another summoned army of 10 units held the objective area long enough to win, as the Dwarves just didn't have the numbers to hold both objectives. And thankfully, it was stupid enough to try and hold the walls instead of the actually important area.

Why not use CTT?

 

[thesheeep]

I might, at some point.
For now, I'll see how Lucky's turns out.

 

[A horse of course]

Mods=Cheats

 

[Lone Wolf]

I came back briefly to start a Bretonnia campaign. Beforehand, I had Choices and Consequences mod installed, but now I see Lucky's Overhaul? Did the mod change names, or did I drunkenly shift my mods around at some point?

Name change.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I know I'm late to the party, but I wanted to give this game a serious spin and found out that the ME campaign for II actually has shitton of updates/improvements for I content (additional regions, starting positions, unique building and even new units and mechanics). Like the Vampires having one completely new starting position, the blood kiss mechanic and access to some human ranged units. And none of this stuff is actually present in WH I, so you have to play the slow ass, cumbersome ME with turn times from hell to get access to it. Wtf, why? Are there any plans to update I with this stuff?