Game News Paradox announce Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 with Brian Mitsoda onboard as narrative lead

[luj1]

If someone told me 20 years ago that video games would become a political battleground I would have burst into laughter. Its no coincidence this is happening as the internet meshes itself into society and the world.

We live in decadent times, indeed.

 

[Benthran]

I was a bit optimistic when they first announced it, but holy shit this will suck so bad.

 

[Grotesque]

we're going to approach subjects a little differently and with a lot more research and respect than was done back then."

So how did Troika approached subjects with disrespect back in the day?

 

[Arthandas]

Don't get your hopes up, the game was merely announced and already there's a season pass, preorder dlc, cosmetic dlc and story dlc. I bet they'll also sprinkle it with some microtransactions for good measure. It's not even being made by the same studio but a bunch of randoms who released only two small mediocre games: chivalry and blacklight retribution. Mark my words, it will be shit with even more bugs than original vtmb.

 

[Goral]

In fairness, given the ways Kindred and mortal society overlap, this is basically what I expect the Anarchs to be in 2019 (assuming the World of Darkness correlates to real world developments).

sort of, if we treat it with cynicism, but without it Rudi doesn't sound like an Anarch, he sounds like he's in charge of Google's HR department, or any other company for that matter

it's power speaking, oblivious to itself

do you think jews have anything to do with this state of affairs

Florian (((Schwarzer))), senior product manager at Paradox Interactive promises that the choices in Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 will go deeper than offering basic binary options [there will be 67 genders for one].

There are more jews in Paradox of course.

 

[Roguey]

But... will you be able to argue with a stop sign? *That* is the better question.

I find these nostalgia-pandering callbacks annoying, so it seems likely.

 

[Duraframe300]

67 genders



Hopefully that only applies to non-spoken dialouge. If they actually spent all those resources on 67 genders this game is already fucked compared to what could be.

Is there a source?

 

[Gruncheon]

Why does anyone care about the so-called 'SJW' things in a game. If something as much as mentioning of transgenderism irks you the wrong way, then why let it bother you? A group of people want to convey their creative message across in a form of a vampire game. I do not think it is so much of a big deal. I find it similar to the way how people got mad at Wolfenstein 2. There were a few political sayings but not enough to even care about. It's just a way for other people to enjoy games if they want to feel the inclusivity of it. I think some people are looking too much into it in that every character will want collectivism of the society in a type of Democratic or National Socialism, or they will be a transgender individual. Let a group of people make their game the way they want to. It is not going to be overblown. SoD had one sentence of it, and did not change the narrative of the game. Without that one sentence, the game would not have been any better or worse. Just enjoy the game that it is trying to bring VtMB into a new game. It can hopefully be that simple. I hope that people can read this even-mindedly and if they have any concerns please reply civil and I will try to clear up anything I have said. We can also have a nice dialogue about it. Thanks.

Because an open agenda of 'SJW'ism ends up with you writing characters like "Rudi the intersectional gay black Muslim" who'll totally beat the shit out of you if you ask how he reconciles his queer, anarchistic anti-patriarchal stance with being a practicing Muslim. Badass!!!

The crux of the problem with 'SJW'ism is that progressive ideology relies on an axiom that anyone who disagrees with progressivism is a retrograde monster. Progressives literally cannot understand that there is a perfectly coherent conservative worldview. Conservatives must be motivated by self-interest at best and racist, misogynistic malice at worst. So I don't have confidence that the writing team on Bloodlines could even begin to understand how someone who believes in tradition or homogeneity could be a complex - or even decent - person who has actually reflected on their worldview. A good writer needs to be able to take in the sweep of human experience without judgment; the alternative is bad characters.

 

[Grotesque]

Why does anyone care about the so-called 'SJW' things in a game. If something as much as mentioning of transgenderism irks you the wrong way, then why let it bother you?

It's not the fact that transgengerism (and other similar subjects) is mentioned, it's the way it is brought up that irks people and the fact that the implementation of author's social agenda is similar to preaching to us lowly monkeys a higher level of morals and a more elevated way of being. Bringing SJW subjects in a game is as hard as making good romance in a game, nearly impossible.

A group of people want to convey their creative message across in a form of a vampire game. I do not think it is so much of a big deal.

Creative message, dumbass? There is nothing creative about the SJW when they want to convey a mesage and NOT A STORY.
SJWs will always be confined in their "creativeness" by their clear cut concepts, they are unable to write engaging characters with humanity , real flaws, shame, characters that embark on a journey which result in personal growth or further departure in their personal abyss.

SJW fictional characters are born to fulfill the author's power fantasy and feed on author's SJW biases and that's why their writing level will never leave the quality realm of fan fiction.

Let a group of people make their game the way they want to

Yes, they can make their own game filled with uni-dimensional characters, play it among themselves with you in tow but leave beloved franchises alone and stop perverting them.

Just enjoy the game that it is trying to bring VtMB into a new game

"Sorry". I have lots of well-interconnected neurons that prevent me from doing that (if SJW obnoxious agendas were implemented)

 

[Humanity has risen!]

Is that Rudi character real or just something someone made up? Can we have an answer?

 

[Goral]

Our worries were premature it seems, preordering now:

 

[Duraframe300]

Can't find the tweet.

 

[Roguey]

That tweet doesn't exist, Goral's making stuff up to troll.

 

[Duraframe300]

That tweet doesn't exist, Goral's making stuff up to troll.

I don't think stuff needs to be made up on this game.

Weak.

 

[Goral]

I don't think stuff needs to be made up on this game.

That's the joke, the point is this tweet is so plausible and in character with Brian's spouse that you can't tell whether it's fake or not. This is how bad things are right now and you can be sure that with every new info it will get worse. At one point Annie will make a real tweet and you will think "oh, another troll job, lol" but then the reality will hit you, mark my words.

 

[Herald of Durance]

67 genders



Hopefully that only applies to non-spoken dialouge. If they actually spent all those resources on 67 genders this game is already fucked compared to what could be.

Is there a source?

So, more genders than clans?

 

[Goral]

67 genders



Hopefully that only applies to non-spoken dialouge. If they actually spent all those resources on 67 genders this game is already fucked compared to what could be.

Is there a source?

So, more genders than clans?

Remember the Paradox survey where we were asked which gender we belong to and most Codexers answered "attack helicopter"? It looks like Paradox took that into account.

 

[Ocelot570]

Why does anyone care about the so-called 'SJW' things in a game. If something as much as mentioning of transgenderism irks you the wrong way, then why let it bother you? A group of people want to convey their creative message across in a form of a vampire game. I do not think it is so much of a big deal. I find it similar to the way how people got mad at Wolfenstein 2. There were a few political sayings but not enough to even care about. It's just a way for other people to enjoy games if they want to feel the inclusivity of it. I think some people are looking too much into it in that every character will want collectivism of the society in a type of Democratic or National Socialism, or they will be a transgender individual. Let a group of people make their game the way they want to. It is not going to be overblown. SoD had one sentence of it, and did not change the narrative of the game. Without that one sentence, the game would not have been any better or worse. Just enjoy the game that it is trying to bring VtMB into a new game. It can hopefully be that simple. I hope that people can read this even-mindedly and if they have any concerns please reply civil and I will try to clear up anything I have said. We can also have a nice dialogue about it. Thanks.

Because an open agenda of 'SJW'ism ends up with you writing characters like "Rudi the intersectional gay black Muslim" who'll totally beat the shit out of you if you ask how he reconciles his queer, anarchistic anti-patriarchal stance with being a practicing Muslim. Badass!!!

The crux of the problem with 'SJW'ism is that progressive ideology relies on an axiom that anyone who disagrees with progressivism is a retrograde monster. Progressives literally cannot understand that there is a perfectly coherent conservative worldview. Conservatives must be motivated by self-interest at best and racist, misogynistic malice at worst. So I don't have confidence that the writing team on Bloodlines could even begin to understand how someone who believes in tradition or homogeneity could be a complex - or even decent - person who has actually reflected on their worldview. A good writer needs to be able to take in the sweep of human experience without judgment; the alternative is bad characters.

Just because they want to have transgender people does not mean that they do not have a need to have a conservative people. I bet there will be a monarch of sort in a clan who wants to preserve the things of his realm. There will probably be different types of government with the clans, but so far as we know there is not the as you say 'axiom' of barbary which will have no tolerance. Also, I personally do not agree with much at all or any of progressivism, but that does not mean it can have interesting thought experiments. I am always interested in new points of view or stories that can convey those types of messages. If the author wants to say how he or she believes that conservatism is wrong, and leftism is the right way to go then they should have it done in a correct and well thought out manner. If I do not agree with it, then I would not agree with it. I would not lose any sleep over it. I am not saying that you would, but I think some people on this forum really get irked on things like this. I would just try to understand it from their perspective as best as possible. Also, we live in a democracy, so we may as well try to have it be as democratic as possible even if it has many, many inherent problems.

 

[Raziel]

I'm not as worried about the SJW boogeyman as I am of Brian Mitsoda being cucked. His comment on how Troika approached mental illness and how it's a point of consideration for Paradox and him is at the very least worrying.

What's important is that the player can call out any bullshit he is fed, as long as that's the case they can put in any kind of agendas they want.

Look at KotoR2, Kreia is Avellone's self-insert and he uses her to shit on SW and how the force works--but the player is always given the choice to agree|be neutral|disagree. Usually you're 'punished' for disagreeing with Kreia, but not always. Avellone makes it work, because he wrote the character well but he was also considerate of the player's view(s).

 

[Ocelot570]

Why does anyone care about the so-called 'SJW' things in a game. If something as much as mentioning of transgenderism irks you the wrong way, then why let it bother you?

It's not the fact that transgengerism (and other similar subjects) is mentioned, it's the way it is brought up that irks people and the fact that the implementation of author's social agenda is similar to preaching to us lowly monkeys a higher level of morals and a more elevated way of being. Bringing SJW subjects in a game is as hard as making good romance in a game, nearly impossible.

A group of people want to convey their creative message across in a form of a vampire game. I do not think it is so much of a big deal.

Creative message, dumbass? There is nothing creative about the SJW when they want to convey a mesage and NOT A STORY.
SJWs will always be confined in their "creativeness" by their clear cut concepts, they are unable to write engaging characters with humanity , real flaws, shame, characters that embark on a journey which result in personal growth or further departure in their personal abyss.

SJW fictional characters are born to fulfill the author's power fantasy and feed on author's SJW biases and that's why their writing level will never leave the quality realm of fan fiction.

Let a group of people make their game the way they want to

Yes, they can make their own game filled with uni-dimensional characters, play it among themselves with you in tow but leave beloved franchises alone and stop perverting them.

Just enjoy the game that it is trying to bring VtMB into a new game

"Sorry". I have lots of well-interconnected neurons that prevent me from going that (if SJW obnoxious agendas were implemented)

Ok. I did not mean to offend you with the statements. I personally would find better things to worry about if a video game that hasn't even come out yet really hurts you that much. Do not pay attention to it then, and I promise you that the world will not collapse with a transgender vampire. I will hold your hand through it if it will help.

 

[Duraframe300]

I don't think stuff needs to be made up on this game.

That's the joke, the point is this tweet is so plausible and in character with Brian's spouse that you can't tell whether it's fake or not. This is how bad things are right now and you can be sure that with every new info it will get worse. At one point Annie will make a real tweet and you will think "oh, another troll job, lol" but then the reality will hit you, mark my words.

Its happening right now considering Mitsoda himself is spouting worse nonesense.

 

[Roguey]

Look at KotoR2, Kreia is Avellone's self-insert and he uses her to shit on SW and how the force works--but the player is always given the choice to agree|be neutral|disagree. Usually you're 'punished' for disagreeing with Kreia, but not always. Avellone makes it work, because he wrote the character well but he was also considerate of the player's view(s).

People do criticize Avellone-penned characters for the way he doesn't allow the player character the means to ever out-argue them. Fensty had to add that option to Durance in PoE.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

Conservatives must be motivated by self-interest at best and racist, misogynistic malice at worst.

True. You have a point there.

 

[Zeriel]

Haha, they really DID do the stop sign pandering. As a fucking paid collectible.

 

[Q]

I'm playing Vampyr game and feminism is just forced on the player there. I'm really hoping B2 will be better. MCA was on the project right, he can teach those hippies how to wright right?