A game with pure RNG combat

[Tavernking]

I am busy with my studies this time of year, but I intend to make a turn-based combat system in a few months time.

Here is my proposal...let me know if it's shit:

Two characters - a knight and a bandit - face off against each other.
The knight attacks the bandit. You calculate each characters Strength, Combat, Weapon type, etc. (whatever modifiers that are relevant) which are made into one single 'combat score' value.

The knight's combat score is 45 while the bandits is 20.

Now you take the sum of each character's combat scores, 60.

Then a random number generator generates a number between 1 and 60. If it is lower than or equal to 45, the knight lands a hit and kills the bandit.

I intend to include perma death too. Part of me just wants to read negative steam reviews from people mad that their Level 60 paladin that they invested 20 hours into got one-shotted by a peasant with a pitchfork.

 

[JarlFrank]

Sounds terrible.

 

[Tavernking]

Sounds terrible.

Haha surely you must be joking

 

[JarlFrank]

I mean, you might as well just go gambling.

 

[Jokzore]

I don't get it. The knight has a higher score yet it's harder for him to land a hit? Am I missing something or is this a troll?

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

I don't get it. The knight has a higher score yet it's harder for him to land a hit? Am I missing something or is this a troll?

OP is retarded. That is what you are missing.

Also lukaszek this thread needs your determinism.

 

[Tavernking]

I don't get it. The knight has a higher score yet it's harder for him to land a hit? Am I missing something or is this a troll?

That's a mistake sorry, I'll edit the OP

 

[Butter]

How is this turn-based combat? It sounds like you could auto-resolve every combat encounter if it's as simple as comparing two numbers and rolling a die.

 

[Void_Pickle]

I'm not sure how this really differs from any other system with RNG. The calculation used to arrive at the final hit % is simpler? How is that interesting or meaningful for the player?

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

OP nigger, just play diablo 2 as a lightning mage.

All Lightning spells in D2 do 1-x damage.

 

[Jamma]

Your system is fine if you design the game around it. A similar system was used in Desktop Dungeons (the combatant with more strength wins automatically), and it fun. Turn it into a game about preparing for combat (pre-buffing, luring enemy into preferable terrain, proper itemization), and the actual combat won't be important. I disagree with you on perma death since you want it to be luck based. Luck is fun, but losses should result in injuries that lower the "combat score", so that the player could gamble on a hard encounters with a huge rewards without fearing the punishment too much.

 

[luj1]

Two characters - a knight and a bandit - face off against each other.
The knight attacks the bandit. You calculate each characters Strength, Combat, Weapon type, etc. (whatever modifiers that are relevant) which are made into one single 'combat score' value.

The knight's combat score is 45 while the bandits is 20.

Now you take the sum of each character's combat scores, 60.

Then a random number generator generates a number between 1 and 60. If it is lower than or equal to 45, the knight lands a hit and kills the bandit.

Why the bolded part? It's unnecessary imo

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[luj1]

Your system is fine if you design the game around it.

I feel this is a bad generalization.

Some systems are just bad, period. Examples include "Endurance" in PoE, "Effort" in Numenera, etc. No matter what you do they are terrible systems. A system is either good or bad, you can't make a bad system, then construct the game around a bad system and it somehow remedies it (?).

 

[Jamma]

I feel this is a bad generalization.

It's not a generalization. I'm talking about his specific system. It's very similar to combat systems used in other games (Desktop dungeon, many many war sims like Panzer General). You tell one unit to attack the other and the outcome is based on a roll of dice, and the state of the attacking and defending units. It was fine in those games, it can be fine in his imaginary game.

A system is either good or bad, you can't make a bad system, then construct the game around a bad system and it somehow remedies it (?).

QWOP:
http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

You think this system is random, but in fact it is entirely the opposite. A single failure leads to your defeat. That means that as the number of encounters increases, the probability of overall success becomes vanishingly small.

Where N is the total number of encounters, P(x) is the probability of success for encounter numbered x, and for all P(x), 0 < P(x) < 1;
the probability of overall success S is:

S = P(1) ∙ P(2) ∙ P(3) ∙ ... ∙ P(N)

 

[rusty_shackleford]

this already exists, it's called battle brothers

 

[Tavernking]

Your system is fine if you design the game around it. A similar system was used in Desktop Dungeons (the combatant with more strength wins automatically), and it fun. Turn it into a game about preparing for combat (pre-buffing, luring enemy into preferable terrain, proper itemization), and the actual combat won't be important. I disagree with you on perma death since you want it to be luck based. Luck is fun, but losses should result in injuries that lower the "combat score", so that the player could gamble on a hard encounters with a huge rewards without fearing the punishment too much.

You think this system is random, but in fact it is entirely the opposite. A single failure leads to your defeat. That means that as the number of encounters increases, the probability of overall success becomes vanishingly small.

Where N is the total number of encounters, P(x) is the probability of success for encounter numbered x, and for all P(x), 0 < P(x) < 1;
the probability of overall success S is:

S = P(1) ∙ P(2) ∙ P(3) ∙ ... ∙ P(N)

Yeah perhaps I should have elaborated, the system is designed to discourage the player from going into combat. The whole point of the game is to get rich and to rise from peasant to king. If you die but you had children then you play as your descendant and he inherits your wealth and titles. Rarely the player will be ambushed by bandits when traveling between settlements so it's necessary to be very prepared for combat.