Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire + DLC Thread - now with turn-based combat!

[Yosharian]

As much as I prefer turn-based for games like this it will have to feel like a fully complete game that way for me to play it.

It pretty much is complete. I think it's much better than the RTWP mode.

Just because Dex is now a dump stat doesn't really change the 'completeness' of the game. Deadfire already had one dump stat - Resolve. Now, it's got two. Characters are just easier to build, now.

 

[DalekFlay]

Do you own the game already? If so, I'd recommend giving it a shot. It's a little rough around the edges, but it's still a lot of fun. Really opens up once you get a full party. Playing with turn-based has caused me to level my characters completely differently than I would have in RtwP, which is a good sign to me that it's different enough to not only showcase some of the strengths of the system that went unnoticed because of the cluster-fuck combat, and that it is its "own thing" enough to cater to a completely different approach with builds.

I bought it day one but still haven't played it because I'm an asshole. I'm hesitant to make turn-based my first run if the game doesn't feel like it was built for it, but if you guys think it's solid then maybe.

 

[Yosharian]

I think it improves the game substantially. There's a bit of added tedium, but what you get in exchange is fantastic. The game just shines so much more when you can see every ability firing off in detail.

 

[Jinn]

I think it improves the game substantially. There's a bit of added tedium, but what you get in exchange is fantastic. The game just shines so much more when you can see every ability firing off in detail.

Yep, 100% agree with this statement. PoE's system always felt like it wanted to be turn-based, but was shoved into real-time. Things make so much more sense and it's just more satisfying all around when you can actually see the result of all these crazy abilities and spell you're popping off.

 

[Haplo]

Well, it's a bloody shame they didn't go with a proper initiative system, though. Something along the lines of Heroes of Might & Magic V.

 

[Perkel]

So does it still have retarded round system ?

 

[Safav Hamon]

I've read the entire PnP guide and here are my impressions

• Getting rid of the class system
• Removing level based progression
• Fallout style background traits
• Point buy attribute system
• Phase based combat
• Ability and spell creation
• Customizable enchantments
• Bringing back endurance and wounds
• 5th edition DnD style tool system
• Moar skills (approaching GURPs level autism)
• Aging system, death march, and malady mechanics
• Affliction/inspiration changes

• Seperating ranged and magic damage from the might attribute
• Removing armor resistances and penetration mechanics
• Dice roll initiative checks

Verdict: PnP mechanics >>> Videogame mechanics. Although those three declines are infuritiating.

 

[Butter]

Is Sawyer autistic enough to have firearm and crossbow damage not scale with attributes, but have regular bow damage scale with might?

 

[Safav Hamon]

Is Sawyer autistic enough to have firearm and crossbow damage not scale with attributes, but have regular bow damage scale with might?

Might: Melee damage
Dexterity: Ranged damage
Resolve: Magic damage

I was hoping he wouldn't cave in on this. It destroys weapon versatility, encourages min/maxing, and makes dexterity a god stat again (since it also gives a deflection bonus).

 

[Infinitron]

No cave. Josh Sawyer's stated reason for having a single damage attribute was because otherwise there are attributes that are useful for some classes and useless/almost useless for other classes. This is a classless system, so that's not relevant anymore. Same thing happened in Tyranny.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Either way, not having to decide between melee, ranged, and magic weapons gave the combat system more versatility than a lot of RPGs.

Something he did cave in on was removing damage types and penetration mechanics. That's going to dumb down encounter design a lot.

 

[Roguey]

It's a chore to have to deal with that in every single fight rather than once in a while.

 

[FreeKaner]

Is Sawyer autistic enough to have firearm and crossbow damage not scale with attributes, but have regular bow damage scale with might?

That is what it should be. Unfortunately Sawyer the boring hack he is just copied the D&D STR/DEX. Even though it is mostly nonsensical and bad for gameplay too.

Why would anyone play this garbage PNP anyway?

 

[AwesomeButton]

I'm too lazy to read through that, but if you find evidence that Josh employed the same degenerate game design in his PnP that he criticized and avoided in his PoE rules, do let me know :D

 

[Safav Hamon]

That is what it should be. Unfortunately Sawyer the boring hack he is just copied the D&D STR/DEX. Even though it is mostly nonsensical and bad for gameplay too.

To be fair, many games copy from DnD. It's the most influential roleplaying system of all time.

If you actually bothered to read the guide, you would know there's a lot of novel mechanics in it that you can't find in most other RPGs. I guess that would be asking too much of you though...

 

[FreeKaner]

That is what it should be. Unfortunately Sawyer the boring hack he is just copied the D&D STR/DEX. Even though it is mostly nonsensical and bad for gameplay too.

To be fair, many games copy from DnD. It's the most influential roleplaying system of all time.

If you actually bothered to read the guide, you would know there's a lot of novel mechanics in it that you can't find in most other RPGs. I guess that would be asking too much of you though...

Yes, I am not known to read. Definitely not the guidebook of Sawyer, which likely is just a front for his fascist ideas.

Sawyer had all the opportunity to make an interesting and fun low fantasy PNP. Instead just made pathfinder 2.0, bravo sawyer.

 

[Rivmusique]

Put your interesting classless system in to a damn video game, I don't have friends to play table top with. This is a direct attack on me.

 

[Orma]

 

[Lacrymas]

Given Microsoft's recent infestation procural of Obsidian, I doubt we'll see Josh's dream game any time soon.

 

[vortex]

Inb4, Josh is teasing poe3 at E3.

 

[Quillon]

What was that PS game JohnGonzo wrote for? The ginger there is close copy of the one above.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

Horizon Zero Dawn!!!! One of the best rpgs ever!

Also Aloy never dresses in that much fur btw

 

[2house2fly]

Assassin's Creed is one of the biggest game franchises of all time, and its whole gimmick is taking place in different eras of history. A silver-tongued design director could surely use that to convince his boss that a historical game could sell

 

[FreeKaner]

They already took a look at Assassin's creed and decided direct sequels sell.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

Why would anyone play this garbage PNP anyway?

I’m legit planning to run a game with some of my friends at hockey camp this summer