Grauken
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In general people and companies that create goods turn less profit then freeloaders ( taxes ) and distribution
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In general people and companies that create goods turn less profit then freeloaders ( taxes ) and distribution
We are not contrarian for the sake of it, we are just reasonable
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We are not contrarian for the sake of it,
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I don't fucking care if you hate all these clients. Why are you even here, anyway? You trying to play devil's advocate with the others just because you hate Steam with your very own guts makes you looks like a fool, or worse, a fucking cuck. I'm pretty sure no one here are saying Steam is a literal saint who cared for every single need of every type of consumers, but just because Steam made mistakes it doesn't excuse Epic's bullshit. And there are many way to compete with Steam without leaving the consumers in the dust, strong arming products and signing exclusivity deals ain't one of them.Dude I hate all these fucking clients, you're not paying attention. If I'm a fanboy of anything it's GOG, but they have like a 4% market share. I can't pretend people give a shit about stuff they don't give a shit about.
See, this is what I hate the most from people like you who hates Steam with their guts and, allegedly, ((((not)))) defending Epic at all. It's okay that you as a consumer act like a king you are, but you and I are just as king as the other. You might not have gotten this through that thick skull of yours which houses a sorry ass piece of rotting meat you call brain, but just so you know there are a bazillion people out there, like me, who lived in third world country and have meager access to physical copies of video games. And what games available for purchase, will burn through our wallet especially for those who consistently buy games. Steam literally cured my piracy when I discovered its existence as a storefront in 2013-2014, which is also fortunately around the time they began implementing regional pricing that's also reasonably adjusted based on the country so they're cheaper based on where I live. Since I discovered that Steam didn't exactly sell me the actual games, and instead selling me the right to play the games (except for DRM-free ones, of course) I almost always buy there only during sale, and only buy stuff full price from promising indie developers and those who don't use Steam DRM. I'd like to shift to GOG completely, in fact I'm keeping a close eye on what games I can transfer to my GOG account via GOG Connect, but as of now they don't have reasonably adjusted regional pricing like Steam do so I rarely buy games from GOG.If I had my way all these bullshit clients and social features would be shot into the sun, but I can't have my way. Consumers gonna consumers, and they like clients and Facebook shit, and so here we are.
Console exclusivity are fundamentally different, because as others already pointed out which you just conveniently ignored, they make you buy a piece of hardware with which they lure customers to buy more stuff there. Why would it work for Epic in the long run when there are legitimately better storefronts out there? And if you still think all Epic really need is improving their service, well it's already way too fucking late. They had all the time in the world to just take a glance at how Steam and GOG run their stores, or they could've spend more time doing their research and implementing all the essentials, but they didn't. I don't know if a shopping cart is part of their future plan, but if it is, the fact that it didn't made it in time for their Mega Sale should've been a big red sign for anyone having second thoughts about going there at all.My only points in this thread have been: 1) exclusives work, and you guys are fucking stupid if you don't think Epic is doing the one thing that could take market share from Steam, and 2) I don't really care which bullshit client I have to use and ignore while I play my singleplayer shit, because they're all bullshit.
You're right, exclusives really make people do something they don't really want to. Steam made me put down the black flag, but thanks to Epic, as Grauken pointed out, it actually makes me want to raise the black flag once more and sail the Seven Seas.The point is more that exclusives make you do something you don't really want to do in order to play them. No one WANTS to spend another $400 on a console when you already own a modern one. They do it to play X and Y game they can't play otherwise. If a console doesn't have enough exclusives then it doesn't sell as well, because less people feel the need to buy it. There's a shit-ton of other factors going on of course, but these companies wouldn't bankroll exclusive games if they weren't essential to success.
Epic wants you to get games on their store instead of Steam, something most people don't want to do for various reasons. Exclusives will push people to do it.
I just think it makes business sense, and was the only way to compete with Steam.
I doubt anyone disagrees with that but, as noted, it's only half the story.Epic wants you to get games on their store instead of Steam, something most people don't want to do for various reasons. Exclusives will push people to do it.
I don't fucking care if you hate all these clients. Why are you even here, anyway?
Metro Exodus publisher says the Epic store is its “leading digital platform” in unit sales
May 23, 2019 THQ Nordic’s CEO says PC launches on the Epic Store have exceeded expectations.
During its latest financial results, THQ Nordic noted that Metro Exodus sales made it “the largest game launch” in the company’s history, but that the “absolute majority” of those sales were on console. Many fans of the historically computer-focused series took that to mean PC players had abandoned the game over its Epic store exclusivity, but CEO Lars Wingefors says that’s not the case.
“Epic Games store has exceeded our expectations in terms of sales in actual units of both Metro Exodus and Satisfactory during the quarter,” Wingefors tells us. “Epic Games store is in fact the group’s leading digital platform in terms of revenue generated by units sales in the quarter ending March.”
In other words, direct game sales through the Epic store brought in more money for THQ Nordic in the quarter than sales on Steam, PlayStation Network, or Xbox Live. That can be partially attributed to the higher revenue cut developers receive through Epic, but it takes more than a few percentage points to compete against the big install bases on console.
Wingefors adds “my statement yesterday” – that ‘absolute majority’ bit noted by many on Twitter – “about console share of Metro Exodus sales was referring to the two console platforms combined – both physical and digital revenue. This is still the majority of the revenues of Metro Exodus.”
There’s a lot we don’t know about the sales numbers – including any actual numbers. Back at GDC, Epic said during its keynote that Metro Exodus had sold more than 2.5 times as many copies on the Epic Games store than Last Light did on Steam back in 2013, but the PC market has gotten a lot larger since then.
So let me see if I understand this correctly: they made a press release to clarify that Metro: Exodus and Satisfactory sold more on the Epic store than they did on another digital store where they were never available for purchase (apart from being able to pre-order Metro for a few days before it was removed)?“Epic Games store has exceeded our expectations in terms of sales in actual units of both Metro Exodus and Satisfactory during the quarter,” Wingefors tells us. “Epic Games store is in fact the group’s leading digital platform in terms of revenue generated by units sales in the quarter ending March.”
In other words, direct game sales through the Epic store brought in more money for THQ Nordic in the quarter than sales on Steam
You can still resell physical console games.Somewhat surprised by that just because I thought consoles were very quickly going just as digital as PC. If Epic has the highest digital revenue though, while consoles combined sold more overall, then a lot of people got it on disc.
Except it doesn't makes sense in long run. Aside from what has been listed so far, you also need to consider that it wasn't only Epic who pissed off a lot of people. Do notice that most of the games being signed exclusivity deals with are also crowdfunded, mostly from Fig. Now, if you tell me all these people who participated in helping the games possible to be developed in the first place to just shut their mouth and accept this anal fuck quietly, you gotta be really fucking kidding me.I'm here to shoot the shit about the big PC news. I'm here to say "all these clients are bullshit I ignore so who cares, but I think this makes sense from a business perspective for Epic" because that's how I feel about it. You guys can get as butthurt as you want about that, and write me ten paragraphs about how growing up in potato Steam found you as a little orphan and raised you into a man, but it doesn't really change my perspective.
You can still resell physical console games.
PS5 will have a disk drive.You can still resell physical console games.
Tick-tock on that being a thing though. MS already released a digital-only XBone and I'll be surprised if the next gen consoles offer physical at all.
PS5 will have a disk drive.You can still resell physical console games.
Tick-tock on that being a thing though. MS already released a digital-only XBone and I'll be surprised if the next gen consoles offer physical at all.
It's a possibility, although I don't think so. It wouldn't make sense from a cost perspective. We'll see.PS5 will have a disk drive.You can still resell physical console games.
Tick-tock on that being a thing though. MS already released a digital-only XBone and I'll be surprised if the next gen consoles offer physical at all.
inb4 its only for backwards compatibility with previous gen titles
It's a possibility, although I don't think so. It wouldn't make sense from a cost perspective. We'll see.PS5 will have a disk drive.You can still resell physical console games.
Tick-tock on that being a thing though. MS already released a digital-only XBone and I'll be surprised if the next gen consoles offer physical at all.
inb4 its only for backwards compatibility with previous gen titles