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Gort replies to update: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...rid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=253#post495672223
GZ replies to bort: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...rid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=254#post495673270
Jesus fucking christ. Why can't he just let it die?
That update is basically a collection of varying degrees of deception and hot air. This is ridiculous. This is somehow becoming a worse nightmare. I have to warn GZ not to look at it or he might hork so hard that he dies on the spot.
I'm not sure I even know what to say anymore.
The worst thing is that somehow all of a sudden people in the KS comments are eating it all up, hook, line, and sinker. If this would have just died off, it would have ended in a wet fart. Now it's headed for a total catastrophe because the house of cards is being rebuilt on sand.
Me and GZ talked a lot about how to bring this thing to completion over the years, and if it even could be completed, especially near the end of 2018 before it all fell apart. We both agreed that drastic measures and cuts were needed. Had GZ been given the helm it would have taken us year or two years of work to get it done, with a lot of cuts made. With the rate of work being done on this since me and GZ left it would take literal centuries to complete. This is not a hyperbole. The amount of code that needs to be typed in there, the amount of writing that needs to be done, the amount of graphics and audio that need to be figured out is staggering, and the GIT log has these gaps of several days and weeks, almost a month, when no work whatsoever is done. When there is an entry in GIT it's small potato stuff, something you can do in 15 minutes at most.
Also who is going to code all these things and fix all these issues? Me and GZ are gone and we are so fucking salty we are never coming back to Barkley. I'm not bringing this up to say that hey we are some master game developers, no one else can do it but us. I'm bringing this up because we were there for years and know what systems there are, where most of the problems lay and that no one is allowed to fix them unless it's done 100% like it was envisioned in some fever dream. Who would ever volunteer, and then stay on board this project after this debacle was brought to light?
I have to re-read this update just to make sure I'm not hallucinating.
GZ replies to bort: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...rid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=254#post495673270
• Bhroom agrees, and says there is no need for conversation or additional design or re-design or changes or reinventing the wheel because these same topics have been talked and documented to death and it just requires someone to have commitment in some direction, and he would like to have input before nearly-functioning parts of the game are scrapped for new ones, which would jeopardize the “GZ is the best chance of finishing the game” part. [ymmv]
• GZ says he’s an idiot and a clown and a liar and a … etc. … and he cannot bear to have a conversation with him again, he essentially needs to fuck off and die in order for GZ to begin work [dude]
Hey Brian. What does it tell you when strangers can tell that both you and Liam really have no idea what you're talking about? You couldn't even read this thread correctly. Your version of events aren't accurate either.
Neither you or Liam could be reasoned with. You should have never had any authority on this project via design and neither should Liam via control. Yet you think Liam should have control over how the game proceeds going forward when I was unable to continue "working with" him? The options on the table were: Me and Laz take control, or Liam holds on the game with no ability or plan to make the game happen. He's had all this time to make this game happen and failed. But you thought it was a fair compromise when Liam asked me for a design document and road map that he had to approve of? Why would I jump through those hoops for the honor of me and Laz to finish the mess you guys started? I'll repeat: I'm not interested in what that clown has to say.
An offer was even floated of: Me and Laz get 1 year to finish the game. If we don't, Liam gets all control back plus the progress we made. Guess what? That was rejected too.
Do you really think my fued with Liam went from 0 to 100? Me and Liam got along fine for a very long time as you already know because he did push for work to get done. I was not under a spell. It wasn't until learning what this project truly is that I understood work I previously had done was pointless or not needed for this game to move forward. Any work I did was offset by more work added to "keep to the vision". It escalated very quickly because I realize Liam had always been lying to me about having control when I tried to limit this nonsense. It's not hard to understand.
This started falling apart when I told him that I would continue working on the game with Laz, and he could do map tweaks and any writing that he felt like. Do you know what he told me? He has no interest in doing any of that without having control over the direction of the game. I specifically mentioned tons of quests in the game that needed to be finished. I said he could do stuff like the wedding quest, and he responded with "FUCK the wedding quest". He didn't care about getting work done. He just wanted to be the ideas guy and have this game be this mystical vision he had.
Liam is not a realible narrator because he lies. Neither are you because you have been fed second hand information by Liam or largely been absent from the project. So why throw your two cents in on this?
Also man, you're prediction of me isn't very good either. I do have something against you. You abandoned Barkley 1, then Barkley 2, then you didn't go to bat for me when there was a final effort made to try and salvage this game. That's shitty of you. Do I hold bad blood for eternity of this? No. I stopped caring... Back in January! Read the thread better to find out why I posted now. Take some criticism, have some humility, and realize it's way easier for you to "be cool" with me than it is for me to "be cool" with you because you've never made the situation better.