Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[luj1]

I just noticed that the elder brain CR has been reduced from 25 in 3E to 14 in 5E. Coincidence? I think not.

When I saw Larian going all in with the Illithid, putting them everywhere, slapping an Illithid face over the company logo, coming up with Illithid paladins, flying (?) Illithid in the skies in the trailer, I knew they are going to ruin it.

I'm not surprised Swen can't handle intellectual property at all, because he has no sense of measure. But I'm surprised WotC care so little about preserving what took decades to flesh out and are helping Larian bring down D&D's stock. Guess money and green ruin everything.

 

[Shrimp]

Wasn't the Illithid paladin a Beamdog creation for their draft of BG3?

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Spoiler

 

[fantadomat]

Looking at the trailer i don't expect them to be lore friendly. It looked really retarded to me,very popamole.

 

[Lacrymas]

5Е doesn't have alignment restrictions on classes, so mindflayer Paladin is technically not that of a stretch. You can be a Paladin of Ilsensine now. It doesn't make much sense, but there you go.

 

[Melcar]

But do they make sense in Illithid society?

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[undecaf]

"You miss a lot in D&D - if the dice are bad, you miss," he says. "That doesn't work well in a game. If I do that, you are going to review it and say it's shit."

It's going to be so shit. Damn.

So it seems.

 

[luj1]

But do they make sense in Illithid society?

It's but normal for a paladin to eat brains to survive, why even ask?

 

[Mr. Hiver]

I would venture to say how thats not a paladin in the trailer... but who am i kidding? Go wild into that paranoia codex, it may turn out to be true anyway.

Because how better to show the dev studio is not Ilithid bigot and racist "punching down" other races as 2 dimensionally evil but by making one a companion. Step by little step.

 

[Shrimp]

But do they make sense in Illithid society?

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Illithids sufficiently far away from their elder brain could be separated from the hive mind which would let them adopt their own personalities and create their own colonies, but they'd return to the hive mind once they re-entered the elder brain's area of influence. I guess that means they'd technically be a possibility in those sub-societies, but it seems rather far fetched to me. Especially if we're talking about the possibilities in the context of the BG3 game. Since the game's going to be all about Illithids it'd seem like a major asspull to coincidentally have some area within the game just out of reach.

 

[Mr. Hiver]

Easily solved with a magical tiara of +2 elder brain resistance, which we will need anyway to destroy it.

A poor renagade Illithid, only looking for freeeeeedom! and some friends, and not to be marginalized and oppressed.

 

[Melcar]

He was a good boy.

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[fantadomat]

Ahhh guys,you will be killing tentacle monsters,not play as one. Tho i am pretty sure that they will have some good mindflyaers that want to change their society or some such garbage. Don't mix the beamdog dead baby with this soon to be abomination.

If you blow up the elder mind,what happens to the rest of the mind flayers?

 

[trimethylsilyl]

Not gonna read through this massive clusterfuck, so this has probably been posted before;

Spoiler

 

[Shrimp]

Not gonna read through this massive clusterfuck, so this has probably been posted before;

Spoiler

To add to this - BG3's WIP title before the official reveal was 'Project Gustav'
I remember coming across that dialogue when I played the game and I thought it was meant to set up a potential expansion/DLC, but considering Larian acquired the BG3 license shortly before Original Sin 2's launch so I guess they wanted to include an obscure reference to their upcoming game.

 

[fantadomat]

I just read that useless wiki on mf,but i am confused. It says that they live in the underdark,which is kind of strange. From what i remember they were interplanetary specie that have an empire and enslaves prime worlds. The one in the underdark is just a colony and not their main base. Am i confused or the wiki is retarded?

 

[Shrimp]

I just read that useless wiki on mf,but i am confused. It says that they live in the underdark,which is kind of strange. From what i remember they were interplanetary specie that have an empire and enslaves prime worlds. The one in the underdark is just a colony and not their main base. Am i confused or the wiki is retarded?

From the forgotten realms wiki:

Sometime around −11,000 DR, illithid refugees from the planet Glyth arrived on Toril and founded the city of Oryndoll in the Underdark.

 

[Neanderthal]

I just read that useless wiki on mf,but i am confused. It says that they live in the underdark,which is kind of strange. From what i remember they were interplanetary specie that have an empire and enslaves prime worlds. The one in the underdark is just a colony and not their main base. Am i confused or the wiki is retarded?

For mind flayers a low profile is always preferred, lest they have a few red dragons and a bunch of Gith turn up. The hunt is still on.

Gith species an option, Yanki, pirate or Zerai?

 

[fantadomat]

I just read a little more on them and it is disappointing at best. It seems that it was written by very uneducated person,it feels the same as star trek retardation where they save a population of a whole colony by beaming it in the cargo hold . It really makes no fucking sense. Splashing grandiose statements like "the biggest empire the multiverse has seen" just show lack of knowledge and imagination. Seeing how big the multiverse is,it implies quite a lot,yet it fell in a day because gith got resistance buff. This is pretty strange since gith are limbo dwellers and their stick was the power of willpower. Sooo their ultra mega evil huge empire was killed by an obscure slave race that most of the prime planes have never even heard about........yeah....no. That is retarded as they come. Planescape torment did a lot better job describing the material than this shit i read. In PST gith just managed to free themself and now are still fighting the MFs and killing them when they see them.
I don't know,is the wiki written by retards or the D&D writers are retards? And if the D&D writers are,why people are still buying that garbage? It feels like they decided to throw logic and proportions out the window and just splash some random big words and numbers.

 

[Cael]

I just read a little more on them and it is disappointing at best. It seems that it was written by very uneducated person,it feels the same as star trek retardation where they save a population of a whole colony by beaming it in the cargo hold . It really makes no fucking sense. Splashing grandiose statements like "the biggest empire the multiverse has seen" just show lack of knowledge and imagination. Seeing how big the multiverse is,it implies quite a lot,yet it fell in a day because gith got resistance buff. This is pretty strange since gith are limbo dwellers and their stick was the power of willpower. Sooo their ultra mega evil huge empire was killed by an obscure slave race that most of the prime planes have never even heard about........yeah....no. That is retarded as they come. Planescape torment did a lot better job describing the material than this shit i read. In PST gith just managed to free themself and now are still fighting the MFs and killing them when they see them.
I don't know,is the wiki written by retards or the D&D writers are retards? And if the D&D writers are,why people are still buying that garbage? It feels like they decided to throw logic and proportions out the window and just splash some random big words and numbers.

When in doubt, always pick fucktards of the coast hirelings.

 

[Neanderthal]

I haven't read the wiki but I never thought of the illithid empire as the biggest the multiverse has seen, but a loose multi planar tyranny that fell when its slaves rose and old enemies (which they must have had) struck back at a weakened foe.

The empire of the mind flayers would also be quite transitory due to their nature, the creatures dominate and use flesh as their tools, they are almost parasites leeching off their slaves and leaving less than other civilisations that build and leave for future generations.

I also wouldn't underestimate the Githyanki of the Astral plane, the Githzerai of Limbo or each factions hunt. Gith herself was a general for the Illithid and defeated them at the height of their power, by turning their own strength upon them, her children of the Astral plane are a feared species who can survive in a place few dare venture to or even find. Zerthimon and the Githzerai we already know, and they seek to know and master themselves in one of the most dangerous places in the multiverse.

The prime planes have mostly not heard of the Gith because they are backwaters, ignorant isolated locales that rarely see beyond their own worlds, their petty little gods, and their struggles. Clueless primes as a Sigil native would say.

Gotta admit I don't know modern lore as WotC utterly raped the setting.

 

[jf8350143]

The whole "the biggest the multiverse has ever seen" shit is what the elder brain believes, it might be true, it also might be completely bullshit. The only certain part is their empire get destroyed by Gith and they are still hunted by them.

 

[fantadomat]

I haven't read the wiki but I never thought of the illithid empire as the biggest the multiverse has seen, but a loose multi planar tyranny that fell when its slaves rose and old enemies (which they must have had) struck back at a weakened foe.

The empire of the mind flayers would also be quite transitory due to their nature, the creatures dominate and use flesh as their tools, they are almost parasites leeching off their slaves and leaving less than other civilisations that build and leave for future generations.

I also wouldn't underestimate the Githyanki of the Astral plane, the Githzerai of Limbo or each factions hunt. Gith herself was a general for the Illithid and defeated them at the height of their power, by turning their own strength upon them, her children of the Astral plane are a feared species who can survive in a place few dare venture to or even find. Zerthimon and the Githzerai we already know, and they seek to know and master themselves in one of the most dangerous places in the multiverse.

The prime planes have mostly not heard of the Gith because they are backwaters, ignorant isolated locales that rarely see beyond their own worlds, their petty little gods, and their struggles. Clueless primes as a Sigil native would say.

Gotta admit I don't know modern lore as WotC utterly raped the setting.

I totally agree with you mate. Still you can't have the biggest empire in the verse yet nobody knows about you or the slave race that defeated you. That was my point that the writing was retarded at best. A lot of that lore feels very sterile and not interactive,it feels like a bunch of people wrote different things/stories and then decided to force them together. The whole focus on fayrun is also very annoying. You would think that people would move from it and develop the whole universe,yet all is about this shit place.
Good example for the stupid sterile writing is the Atropus part in their history. They have intergalactic empire but have never heard about an undead planet that eats other planets .

 

[Shrimp]

I haven't read the wiki but I never thought of the illithid empire as the biggest the multiverse has seen, but a loose multi planar tyranny that fell when its slaves rose and old enemies (which they must have had) struck back at a weakened foe.

The empire of the mind flayers would also be quite transitory due to their nature, the creatures dominate and use flesh as their tools, they are almost parasites leeching off their slaves and leaving less than other civilisations that build and leave for future generations.

I also wouldn't underestimate the Githyanki of the Astral plane, the Githzerai of Limbo or each factions hunt. Gith herself was a general for the Illithid and defeated them at the height of their power, by turning their own strength upon them, her children of the Astral plane are a feared species who can survive in a place few dare venture to or even find. Zerthimon and the Githzerai we already know, and they seek to know and master themselves in one of the most dangerous places in the multiverse.

The prime planes have mostly not heard of the Gith because they are backwaters, ignorant isolated locales that rarely see beyond their own worlds, their petty little gods, and their struggles. Clueless primes as a Sigil native would say.

Gotta admit I don't know modern lore as WotC utterly raped the setting.

I totally agree with you mate. Still you can't have the biggest empire in the verse yet nobody knows about you or the slave race that defeated you. That was my point that the writing was retarded at best. A lot of that lore feels very sterile and not interactive,it feels like a bunch of people wrote different things/stories and then decided to force them together. The whole focus on fayrun is also very annoying. You would think that people would move from it and develop the whole universe,yet all is about this shit place.
Good example for the stupid sterile writing is the Atropus part in their history. They have intergalactic empire but have never heard about an undead planet that eats other planets .

It is exactly that. It's the same type of problem that apparently plagues capeshit and many other types of series that have existed for a long enough timespan for multiple writers to influence the canon: A whole load of different people with different ideas and visions for the medium each write their own fanfiction entries that end up being added to the lore even though the final result is full of conflicts and general inconsistencies. Earlier when I was looking at Illithids/Elder Brains in the manuals I couldn't help but feel the two entries were written by different people who each had their own ideas of how the two monsters should behave. Initially the Illithid entries refer to how they're all a part of a hive mind that stores, shares knowledge etc. between all the different Illithids, yet they all specialise in something even though they already possess the knowledge of the others in their colony. The Elder Brain entries goes all-in on cementing the Elder Brain as the big boss of the Illithids' hive mind and how every thing the Illithids see and sense is INSTANTLY picked up by the brain, yet all the different Illithid entries also mention how the Illithids can choose to keep secrets from each other and even the brain.

Generally the manuals and rule books are full of inconsistencies and grey areas that appear to be more obvious and frequent the more you look into them. Probably also one of the reasons some people adamantly insist on being rules lawyers while others prefer to leave certain descriptions and statements open to interpretation based on whatever would make sense in the situation their tabletop game is in.

 

[Neanderthal]

You can't have the biggest empire in the verse yet nobody knows about you or the slave race that defeated you.

Personally as a GM I had the Illithid empire as a still functioning organism, hidden in the darkness, ruling from the shadows through mind controlled pawns. Rumours of it were known by the wise, and the planar travelling powerful knew more, but that knowledge was dangerous. Most primes were utterly ignorant even if they were on Mind Flayer controlled worlds, while the Gith were utterly alien.

It was not a big thing though this empire, not on a planar level, and compared to the Blood War, the Elemental Princes and their domains or the sheer size and number of the planes, it was small, a few dozen worlds and planes unknowingly ruled by the Illithid.

I suppose you could argue that the Illithid are spreading false rumours of their might, or obscuring their trail, but honestly I think it's mostly lore rape by WotC.

 

[anvi]

I liked someone's idea earlier about having different stats for male and female characters. I guess it would be like this:

Male
STR 12
DEX 12
CON 12
AGI 12
INT 12
WIS 12
CHA 12
Luck 5

Female:
STR 6
DEX 6
CON 6
AGI 6
INT 6
WIS 6
CHA 6
Luck 45

But I doubt any of that would be possible though. There would need to be all 35 genders or there would be outrage. And also the stats will probably be streamlined down to Stamina, Awesomeness, and Magicka.