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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

Xunwael

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"I think I had the character say something like, ‘Oh, I’m not ugly anymore!’ And someone really considerate at the studio was implementing that [mission], and they got back to me and said, 'This line here? That’s really painful.'"
This game is going to be a disaster
You know those long bonding conversations you have with people about nothing? Like a friend or a family member or a partner? You feel good afterwards, but you didn't really say anything to each other. You were basically two chimps grooming each others' fur even though the fur didn't need any grooming.

I'm getting pretty sick of RPGs (and other media) taking on almost nothing but that tone. Like the purpose of more and more scenes and conversations is to make you feel good - or at least make whoever wrote it and the hypothetical ideal person they wrote it for (probably a clone of themselves) feel good.

Part of the reason why Disco Elysium, for all its flaws, including in the writing, still felt great. None of that shit to be found in that title. I guess I miss games, where I don't just feel treated like a monkey being groomed, so much that even one that tries its best to repeatedly kick me in the nuts is a preferable experience. Been a while since somebody kicked me in the nuts, and variety is the spice of life, as they say. I still hope Untitled Vampire Game will at least attempt to do a little of that.
 

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Wait, aren't writers of the game oppressing them digital hookers freedoms by telling them what to think?
Same kind of hypocrites who have been slut shaming pornstars and prostitutes from day one.

Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.
 

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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
 

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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
For the rare breed of feminist, maybe.

But for most, those statements are seen as compatible. See, it's objectification when the evil men do it, but it's liberation when the women do. The same situation, say a woman going out dressed very suggestively, is empowering from the point of view of the woman herself but depowering when subjected to the male gaze. The observer's (or bystander's) untold but suspected intentions have the power flip the meaning of the situation entirely, from liberation to domination.
 

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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
For the rare breed of feminist, maybe.

But for most, those statements are seen as compatible. See, it's objectification when the evil men do it, but it's liberation when the women do. The same situation, say a woman going out dressed very suggestively, is empowering from the point of view of the woman herself but depowering when subjected to the male gaze. The observer's (or bystander's) untold but suspected intentions have the power flip the meaning of the situation entirely, from liberation to domination.
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"I have written a mission that has to do with body issues,” she recalls. “And I’m interested in them because I have issues with my own appearance. So I have a little bit of body horror sometimes, or a feeling that I don’t quite fit in my body… so I thought it would be interesting to approach that. I think I had the character say something like, ‘Oh, I’m not ugly anymore!’ And someone really considerate at the studio was implementing that [mission], and they got back to me and said, 'This line here? That’s really painful.'"

You play as a fucking VAMPIRE, ya know, those undead creatures of the night that suck blood from the living ones to survive the next day? And, as if that was not enough shitty, there are vampric factions, constantly fighting each other for territory and power, and whether you like it or not you are involved. Who cares about body issues when your immortal life is always at stake? Why do you need to promote this unrelated teenager shit?
I am out of the loop, who....who is this degenerate? What is her part of the game development?
 

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"I have written a mission that has to do with body issues,” she recalls. “And I’m interested in them because I have issues with my own appearance. So I have a little bit of body horror sometimes, or a feeling that I don’t quite fit in my body… so I thought it would be interesting to approach that. I think I had the character say something like, ‘Oh, I’m not ugly anymore!’ And someone really considerate at the studio was implementing that [mission], and they got back to me and said, 'This line here? That’s really painful.'"

You play as a fucking VAMPIRE, ya know, those undead creatures of the night that suck blood from the living ones to survive the next day? And, as if that was not enough shitty, there are vampric factions, constantly fighting each other for territory. Who cares about body issues when your immortal life is always at stake? Why do you need to promote your personal agenda throguh videogames?
I am out of the loop, who....who is this degenerate? What is her part of the game development?
i know she's a blogger and that she was raped by miami hotline
 

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You play as a fucking VAMPIRE, ya know, those undead creatures of the night that suck blood from the living ones to survive the next day? And, as if that was not enough shitty, there are vampric factions, constantly fighting each other for territory and power, and whether you like it or not you are involved. Who cares about body issues when your immortal life is always at stake? Why do you need to promote this unrelated teenager shit?
Nosferatu Cleopatras certainly have body issues, but this doesn't appear related to that (or does it?)
 

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You play as a fucking VAMPIRE, ya know, those undead creatures of the night that suck blood from the living ones to survive the next day? And, as if that was not enough shitty, there are vampric factions, constantly fighting each other for territory and power, and whether you like it or not you are involved. Who cares about body issues when your immortal life is always at stake? Why do you need to promote this unrelated teenager shit?
Nosferatu Cleopatras certainly have body issues, but this doesn't appear related to that (or does it?)

Only the Eldest could permanently undo the fleshcrafting curse which Caine bid it to place upon Absimiliard and his line. Therefore no, I don't think it has anything to do with Nossies.
 

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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
For the rare breed of feminist, maybe.

But for most, those statements are seen as compatible. See, it's objectification when the evil men do it, but it's liberation when the women do. The same situation, say a woman going out dressed very suggestively, is empowering from the point of view of the woman herself but depowering when subjected to the male gaze. The observer's (or bystander's) untold but suspected intentions have the power flip the meaning of the situation entirely, from liberation to domination.

Nah, feminists are not a monolith. You have second wave feminists who believe that all sex is rape and you have third wave feminists who are sex positive and believe that being a porn star can be an act of liberation. Not only are they not the same people, they fucking hate each other's guts.
 
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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
For the rare breed of feminist, maybe.

But for most, those statements are seen as compatible. See, it's objectification when the evil men do it, but it's liberation when the women do. The same situation, say a woman going out dressed very suggestively, is empowering from the point of view of the woman herself but depowering when subjected to the male gaze. The observer's (or bystander's) untold but suspected intentions have the power flip the meaning of the situation entirely, from liberation to domination.

Nah, feminists are not a monolith. You have second wave feminists who believe that all sex is rape and you have third wave feminists who are sex positive and believe that being a porn star can be an act of liberation. Not only are they not the same people, they fucking hate each other's guts.
They're still womyn. Where there's two, there's either a fight or some gossip.
 

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Sjw logic: Porn is evulululul because it is the tool of the patriarchy to objectify wymmyn.
Also sjw logic: Being a pornstar is my choice and liberates me from being objectified by the patriarchy.

That's a real split among feminists. Two distinct groups of people, not the same people saying contradictory things.
For the rare breed of feminist, maybe.

But for most, those statements are seen as compatible. See, it's objectification when the evil men do it, but it's liberation when the women do. The same situation, say a woman going out dressed very suggestively, is empowering from the point of view of the woman herself but depowering when subjected to the male gaze. The observer's (or bystander's) untold but suspected intentions have the power flip the meaning of the situation entirely, from liberation to domination.

Nah, feminists are not a monolith. You have second wave feminists who believe that all sex is rape and you have third wave feminists who are sex positive and believe that being a porn star can be an act of liberation. Not only are they not the same people, they fucking hate each other's guts.
They're still womyn. Where there's two, there's either a fight or some gossip.
As we say here "When you get married you put your hand in a bag with snakes and whatever you pull,that is your luck. Sometimes it is a viper,others it is a smok "
 

WhiteGuts

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Yes, VTMB's issues lay with the writing and characterization, we all know that. I'm so glad they're focusing on this aspect for the sequel :)

Also, please fix that VA and facial expressions, they were horrid.
 

Chippy

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I'm playing Bloodlines again. I was always annoyed that there was never a sequel. Now my morale is low thinking about how Sweden is gonna handle this. I've been purposefully avoiding the previews, but have read 3 recently, so just wanted to ask:

Is Brian Mitsoda responsible for the story, the tone, and at least 75% of the writing - or has that been allocated to a blue haired Swedish feminist?.

Am I right in thinking that the RPG system has been dumbed down?.

Edit: Thanks.
 

Zer0wing

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Is Brian Mitsoda responsible for the story, the tone, and at least 75% of the writing - or has that been allocated to a blue haired Swedish feminist?.
AFAIK Brian was hired (with much difficulties and risking a strong worded refusal) precisely to be a lead writer to make the core game. Swedish feminist is just an additional writer. So we should blame Mitsoda first if Bloodlines 2 fails.
Am I right in thinking that the RPG system has been dumbed down?.
It's more focused on absurd disciplines but won't be any dumber than VTM 5e itself, which is the main source of inspiration for them.
 

S.torch

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Is Brian Mitsoda responsible for the story, the tone, and at least 75% of the writing - or has that been allocated to a blue haired Swedish feminist?.
AFAIK Brian was hired (with much difficulties and risking a strong worded refusal) precisely to be a lead writer to make the core game. Swedish feminist is just an additional writer. So we should blame Mitsoda first if Bloodlines 2 fails.

She is senior narrative designer, not an additional writer.
 

santino27

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Read some recent interviews with Brian. He seems to have bought into all of the same stuff, or is at least unwilling to publicly push back on it. From Cara's interviews, it sounds like she has carte blanche to add whatever stupidity she wants into the game.
 

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