Neanderthal
Arcane
The enemy coming to conquer you is not often seen in a favourable light.
Why?because they NEED them to succeed.
As i said,the legion was unfinished and ended pretty meh. I never saw taking slaves and killing shit as evil. I killed legioners because they were larping as glorious romans and drinking was prohibited! Who wouldn't shoot a savage clown that looks like this and screech that he is a roman??? I really disliked their armour design,they looked like a bunch of retarded scavengers larping as romans.fantadomat, you, Roguey, and whoever did the narrative design for the Legion sound like you cannot discern any middle tiers between liberty and slavery.
What I am butthurt about is that the Legion's system was not given a fair chance. As I have stated in the OP:
If Obsidian wanted to give the Legion and their system a fair chance, they would have attributed them only with the bad features that stem from the same origins as their good features. That's what they did with the NCR, for example. Instead, the Legion's system was presented with its good and its bad, and then the woman enslavement idiocy was added on top for no apparent reason. "But you know what, they also enslave all women, LOL". It was like Obsidian suddenly realized that militant dictatorship was looking fucking cool in their game, and resorted to over-the-top measures to solve the "issue".
He was talking about slaves,why are you talking only about women slaves?Why?because they NEED them to succeed.
In a society without any form of contraceptive or sanctioned abortion, why do women need to be enslaved to pop out babies?
History has shown us that women had no issue doing that without being a slave. Hell, look at Africa.
The legion was meant to be evil, they are the villains. The whole point is that when you see the corruption of the wasteland you start to wonder that maybe they are right. It's that what makes them so scary that even somebody who believes in liberal ideas is forced to wonder if tyranny isn't the better option at least for now.
That is not evil,that is ideological opposition. I don't believe in muh freedom propaganda,don't see my self as evil.The legion was meant to be evil, they are the villains. The whole point is that when you see the corruption of the wasteland you start to wonder that maybe they are right. It's that what makes them so scary that even somebody who believes in liberal ideas is forced to wonder if tyranny isn't the better option at least for now.
The Legion is grey morality done right
let's all take a second to ponder how goofy the situation with Boone's woman being sold to slavery by a rando is lmao, complete with proof of purchase
Let me repeat myself: These people are gathered as slaves, and then men are turned into soldiers. Women are kept as slaves for no specific reason, other than your theory (unsupported within the game world and possibly in the real world as well) that such a system is more efficient for Caesar's goals.
No, being a soldier is not like being a slave, even when your only alternative is execution. Men are not slaves in Caesar's society, and the boys are not trained to be slaves. Men are the citizens of that society. The women, however, are indeed slaves, for reasons that I am failing to see.
The above quote does not answer any questions.
additional extreme features that have nothing to do with their core characteristics.
what citation do you need?
The Legion is not, because they were given additional extreme features that have nothing to do with their core characteristics.
As i said,the legion was unfinished and ended pretty meh. I never saw taking slaves and killing shit as evil. I killed legioners because they were larping as glorious romans and drinking was prohibited! Who wouldn't shoot a savage clown that looks like this and screech that he is a roman???
And what's the difference between being a slave and being a soldier against your will? The former is forced to work against her will, the latter is forced to fight against his will. I'd wager that the life expectancy of men in the legion is shorter than the women's. In Rome, I think, life expectancy was 23/25 respectively.
The women as a collective entity cannot participate in a manner which they deem satisfactory just as the men as a collective entity cannot. It is simply a matter of biology and the natural division of labor, not ">muh sexism".The difference between men and women in Caeser's Legion, and what makes the women slaves, is that the women are not given any route to participate in the culture in any manner that they (the women) would find satisfactory.
And what's the difference between being a slave and being a soldier against your will? The former is forced to work against her will, the latter is forced to fight against his will. I'd wager that the life expectancy of men in the legion is shorter than the women's. In Rome, I think, life expectancy was 23/25 respectively.
People in societies have rights and obligations. When they fail to meet their obligations, punishment follows. When they meet their obligations, there is no punishment (but there are still obligations). That's how societies work.
Ancient Spartans killed the newborns that were not healthy. Who were they slaves to? Noone, it was their culture. In WW2, some european armies (don't know about all) executed the soldiers who did not want to fight. But those were not slaves, they were soldiers.
I have been conscripted myself, btw. The alternative was much milder than an execution, but does it matter? It was part of my obligations towards my country, and the alternative was some form of punishment.
The difference between men and women in Caeser's Legion, and what makes the women slaves, is that the women are not given any route to participate in the culture in any manner that they (the women) would find satisfactory.
It is goofy because the sole reason the seller kept the proof of purchase was so that the player could find it, instead of having to figure it out from clues or talking to people. And since when the Legion buys their slaves, slave trade was a Fallout 2 thing, the Legion gets slaves by capturing them or assimilating conquered tribes. And they write invoices too?fantadomat,
let's all take a second to ponder how goofy the situation with Boone's woman being sold to slavery by a rando is lmao, complete with proof of purchase
I really liked that story. The Seller functions within a relatively liberal system, but does not believe in the system's core values. "Those values are not there for ME, they are there for EVERYBODY ELSE". Very interesting and very realistic.
not ">muh sexism"
Women are at least given the chance to live, as long as they comply with the regime. Men, however, are expected to die for the regime, irrespective of their own wishes. The only reason that men appear better off is because the legion exterminates men who do not serve its interests.